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Senator McCain calls anti-Kissinger protesters low life scum

Postby Vikingardr » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:35 pm

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain has kicked protesters out of a budget hearing, calling them “low-life scum.”

The upheaval came Thursday on Capitol Hill after members of an anti-war group calling itself Code Pink approached a witness table where former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright and George P. Shultz were testifying. The protesters carried signs calling the 91-year-old Kissinger a war criminal.

“Arrest Henry Kissinger for war crimes!” the protesters chanted.

McCain shot back, “Get out of here, you low-life scum.”

Capitol Police removed the protesters from the room.


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This is absolutely disgraceful of McCain for defending a war criminal. I've lost the tiny amount of respect I've had for McCain, which wasn't very much.

Some background info on Kissinger's crimes if those are unaware: In Chile, Kissinger helped Augusto Pinochet overthrow the democratically elected Socialist government of Salvador Allende, sent thousands of political dissidents to their deaths, and installed a military dictatorship (fascism). From 1969 through 1973, Kissinger, working for Richard Nixon, oversaw the slaughter in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, which led to the deaths of millions of people. Many thousands more died from the affects of massive doses of Agent Orange and from unexploded US bombs that cover the countryside. Later, in 1975, while working for President Gerald Ford, Kissinger pre-approved the Indonesian dictator Suharto’s bloody invasion of the small island of East Timor. This illegal act of aggression was carried out with weapons furnished by the US. By the time the Indonesian occupation finally ended in 1999, 200,000 Timorese – 30 percent of the population – had been wiped out (in other words, genocide).

Kissinger is a war criminal, for starting illegal wars, overthrowing elected leaders, dropping chemical weapons, or committing slaughter and genocide against those helpless. Sadly, he will most likely not be charged, and history, at least in America, will forget his heinous war crimes and crimes against Humanity.

What are your thoughts on McCain calling the protesters "low life scum"? Also, what are your thoughts on Henry Kissinger?

I think both are scum, personally.
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Postby Sosi » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:37 pm

Kissinger is low-life scum.
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Postby Shilya » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:40 pm

Seems like his grumpy old man syndrome is getting worse and worse.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:41 pm

He's right.

Kissinger was and is a brilliant statesman and foreign policy genius. The real shame is his mind wasn't utilized more.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:42 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:He's right.

Kissinger was and is a brilliant statesman and foreign policy genius. The real shame is his mind wasn't utilized more.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:42 pm

*shrugs* McCain is still in office? He can have his opinions.

As to Kissinger. Probably one of the finest diplomats we ever had.

As to judging him? I leave that to this historians. He was a man of his era. Values of today don't always match the past.
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Postby Sosi » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:As to judging him? I leave that to this historians. He was a man of his era. Values of today don't always match the past.

How much of the past are we supposed to sweep under the rug?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:47 pm

Sosi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:As to judging him? I leave that to this historians. He was a man of his era. Values of today don't always match the past.

How much of the past are we supposed to sweep under the rug?


Are historians in collusion with such activities?
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Sosi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:As to judging him? I leave that to this historians. He was a man of his era. Values of today don't always match the past.

How much of the past are we supposed to sweep under the rug?

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Postby Vikingardr » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:*shrugs* McCain is still in office? He can have his opinions.

As to Kissinger. Probably one of the finest diplomats we ever had.

As to judging him? I leave that to this historians. He was a man of his era. Values of today don't always match the past.

So according to that, the genocide of the Aboriginal Americans was completely justifiable to European colonists because "values don't match". Bullcrap. It was wrong then and it's wrong today. Even if you think it isn't back then, it certainly is today. We should be ashamed of our past atrocities.
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Postby Vikingardr » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:52 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:He's right.

Kissinger was and is a brilliant statesman and foreign policy genius. The real shame is his mind wasn't utilized more.

He might have been a "foreign policy genius" but he certainly didn't care about civilians or innocents. To him, they were collateral.
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Postby Second Blazing » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:53 pm

Vikingardr wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:He's right.

Kissinger was and is a brilliant statesman and foreign policy genius. The real shame is his mind wasn't utilized more.

He might have been a "foreign policy genius" but he certainly didn't care about civilians or innocents. To him, they were collateral.


By definition, they are collateral.

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The Black Forrest wrote:*shrugs* McCain is still in office? He can have his opinions.

As to Kissinger. Probably one of the finest diplomats we ever had.

As to judging him? I leave that to this historians. He was a man of his era. Values of today don't always match the past.

So according to that, the genocide of the Aboriginal Americans was completely justifiable to European colonists because "values don't match". Bullcrap. It was wrong then and it's wrong today. Even if you think it isn't back then, it certainly is today. We should be ashamed of our past atrocities.


Except it wasn't thought of as wrong then.
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Postby Sosi » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:54 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sosi wrote:How much of the past are we supposed to sweep under the rug?


Are historians in collusion with such activities?

I'd like to think not intentionally.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:54 pm

Vikingardr wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:*shrugs* McCain is still in office? He can have his opinions.

As to Kissinger. Probably one of the finest diplomats we ever had.

As to judging him? I leave that to this historians. He was a man of his era. Values of today don't always match the past.

So according to that, the genocide of the Aboriginal Americans was completely justifiable to European colonists because "values don't match". Bullcrap. It was wrong then and it's wrong today. Even if you think it isn't back then, it certainly is today. We should be ashamed of our past atrocities.


*tweet* five yard penalty for going off on a tangent. Replay the down!

And what do you know of Kissinger's atrocities? Should I wait while you look at wiki?
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Edgy Opinions wrote:
Sosi wrote:How much of the past are we supposed to sweep under the rug?

The max 'we' can, so 'we' can keep repeating it without anyone noticing the trend, what would light the fire that could cause the charring of 'our' rule as 'we' got used to know it.
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Second Blazing wrote:
Vikingardr wrote:He might have been a "foreign policy genius" but he certainly didn't care about civilians or innocents. To him, they were collateral.


By definition, they are collateral.

Vikingardr wrote:So according to that, the genocide of the Aboriginal Americans was completely justifiable to European colonists because "values don't match". Bullcrap. It was wrong then and it's wrong today. Even if you think it isn't back then, it certainly is today. We should be ashamed of our past atrocities.


Except it wasn't thought of as wrong then.


Indeed. It's like the people who want Jefferson hated because he owned slaves. His time; you would have been strange to not have some. Now we believe that's a bad thing......
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The Black Forrest wrote:
Second Blazing wrote:
By definition, they are collateral.



Except it wasn't thought of as wrong then.


Indeed. It's like the people who want Jefferson hated because he owned slaves. His time; you would have been strange to not have some. Now we believe that's a bad thing......

Not to invoke Godwin's law but that means just because a few German Nazis thought it was okay to butcher millions of people means that we can't judge them because it wasn't thought of as wrong then?
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Postby Sosi » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:59 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Vikingardr wrote:So according to that, the genocide of the Aboriginal Americans was completely justifiable to European colonists because "values don't match". Bullcrap. It was wrong then and it's wrong today. Even if you think it isn't back then, it certainly is today. We should be ashamed of our past atrocities.


*tweet* five yard penalty for going off on a tangent. Replay the down!

And what do you know of Kissinger's atrocities? Should I wait while you look at wiki?
I'm aware his distaste of communism led to 100,000+ deaths in East Timor.
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Postby Orles » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:01 pm

Kissinger is an ass with a massive infatuation with realpolitik and a hard-on for Bismarck large enough for its own zip code. However, he is also a master of foreign policy and an amazing diplomat. I don't like Kissinger, but you really can't help but respect him. I'm pretty much apathetic towards the protesters. McCain is the only real bad guy here.

And seriously, calling Kissinger a war criminal is a bit much. No politician is a paragon of decency.
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Postby Vikingardr » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:02 pm

Orles wrote:Kissinger is an ass with a massive infatuation with realpolitik and a hard-on for Bismarck large enough for its own zip code. However, he is also a master of foreign policy and an amazing diplomat. I don't like Kissinger, but you really can't help but respect him. I'm pretty much apathetic towards the protesters. McCain is the only real bad guy here.

And seriously, calling Kissinger a war criminal is a bit much. No politician is a paragon of decency.

When your policies result in the deaths of innocents, you deserve to be called out on it. We don't give Hitler respect because he was a good manipulator do we? Nor do we give respect to Stalin who stabilized Russia through use of his iron fisted rule
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Postby Marcurix » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:10 pm

Vikingardr wrote:
Orles wrote:Kissinger is an ass with a massive infatuation with realpolitik and a hard-on for Bismarck large enough for its own zip code. However, he is also a master of foreign policy and an amazing diplomat. I don't like Kissinger, but you really can't help but respect him. I'm pretty much apathetic towards the protesters. McCain is the only real bad guy here.

And seriously, calling Kissinger a war criminal is a bit much. No politician is a paragon of decency.

When your policies result in the deaths of innocents, you deserve to be called out on it. We don't give Hitler respect because he was a good manipulator do we? Nor do we give respect to Stalin who stabilized Russia through use of his iron fisted rule


Depends who you are, some people like Stalin, others do not.

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Are historians in collusion with such activities?

I'd like to think not intentionally.


Or at all, given the numerous branches of thought that exist within the subject.
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:51 pm

Kissinger is a genius in his own right, though, not a genius I like.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:51 pm

Vikingardr wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:He's right.

Kissinger was and is a brilliant statesman and foreign policy genius. The real shame is his mind wasn't utilized more.

He might have been a "foreign policy genius" but he certainly didn't care about civilians or innocents. To him, they were collateral.


Oh right. Forgot you knew what he thought. Collateral damage is sad and unfortunate, but it's there and it does happen.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:32 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:Kissinger was and is a brilliant statesman and foreign policy genius.

This doesn't imply he's not a war criminal, though.
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Postby Marcurix » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:59 am

Risottia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Kissinger was and is a brilliant statesman and foreign policy genius.

This doesn't imply he's not a war criminal, though.


We've not really been presented with something that would imply he is either.
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