According to the Bible, we'll still be here until the end, so I don't see where they get this.
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by Asterdan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:43 pm
by Othelos » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:44 pm
by Halstus » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:45 pm
Othelos wrote:Skappola wrote:Doesn't this technically include all Christians? Even Catholics, the supposed "Whore of Babylon".
Well, in evangelical Christianity, a person has to pray to god and specifically say that, so that 'Jesus enters you heart' so to speak. Once someone is old enough, they're also supposed to get baptized (not mandatory, but it basically improves your standing in relation to god - it's like getting married instead of just cohabiting), and in certain sects, get baptized in the holy spirit, which helps people to speak in tongues.
I was taught that Christians who don't do those things are 'church christians' - that is, people who attend church but never really open a relationship with god, which is what is needed to get into heaven.
by Othelos » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:45 pm
by Asterdan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:46 pm
Othelos wrote:Skappola wrote:Doesn't this technically include all Christians? Even Catholics, the supposed "Whore of Babylon".
Well, in evangelical Christianity, a person has to pray to god and specifically say that, so that 'Jesus enters you heart' so to speak. Once someone is old enough, they're also supposed to get baptized (not mandatory, but it basically improves your standing in relation to god - it's like getting married instead of just cohabiting), and in certain sects, get baptized in the holy spirit, which helps people to speak in tongues.
I was taught that Christians who don't do those things are 'church christians' - that is, people who attend church but never really open a relationship with god, which is what is needed to get into heaven.
by Goldenson » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:47 pm
Asterdan wrote:Othelos wrote:Well, in evangelical Christianity, a person has to pray to god and specifically say that, so that 'Jesus enters you heart' so to speak. Once someone is old enough, they're also supposed to get baptized (not mandatory, but it basically improves your standing in relation to god - it's like getting married instead of just cohabiting), and in certain sects, get baptized in the holy spirit, which helps people to speak in tongues.
I was taught that Christians who don't do those things are 'church christians' - that is, people who attend church but never really open a relationship with god, which is what is needed to get into heaven.
I was always taught that being baptizing is symbolic. Riverside services are amazing though.
by Lingria » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:47 pm
by Asterdan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:48 pm
Othelos wrote:Asterdan wrote:
According to the Bible, we'll still be here until the end, so I don't see where they get this.
It's because they are literalists, which has sever problems, since it encourages the belief that the earth is only 6000 years old, and somehow it was possible for billions of people to originate from only two people without any widespread severe genetic defects.
by Othelos » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:49 pm
Halstus wrote:Othelos wrote:Well, in evangelical Christianity, a person has to pray to god and specifically say that, so that 'Jesus enters you heart' so to speak. Once someone is old enough, they're also supposed to get baptized (not mandatory, but it basically improves your standing in relation to god - it's like getting married instead of just cohabiting), and in certain sects, get baptized in the holy spirit, which helps people to speak in tongues.
I was taught that Christians who don't do those things are 'church christians' - that is, people who attend church but never really open a relationship with god, which is what is needed to get into heaven.
So here's a question for you. What if you have a Catholic that prays and builds this relationship with God, but still adheres to Catholic principles and rituals?
by Othelos » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:51 pm
Asterdan wrote:Othelos wrote:It's because they are literalists, which has sever problems, since it encourages the belief that the earth is only 6000 years old, and somehow it was possible for billions of people to originate from only two people without any widespread severe genetic defects.
See, I come from a literalist Church (I'm not a literalist, but this particular Church is the closest to my personal beliefs), and no one believes in the Rapture there. It's preached against quite often (as well as this whole 'once in grace, always in grace' thing.)
Strangely enough, our previous pastor said he believed there were other humans in Genesis. He was also a literalist.
by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:52 pm
by Skappola » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:52 pm
Halstus wrote:Skappola wrote:I'm still surprised that we got so many "Other" votes. You wouldn't think there are so many people not part of either the Nonreligious or Christian group in Western Forum like Nationstates. You're bound to see some nontraditional creeds, especially on this very left-leaning site, but 14%?
Well Nationstates does have other participants besides those from western areas.
It's also worth mentioning that there's a higher influx of immigrants in countries like UK/US/Australia, where NS has firm grounding.
Furthermore, there's often freedom of religion to at least SOME degree in these areas. It's not like there's a mandate in any of these areas that one MUST be Christian, Jewish, or an atheist.
It can seem that way though. I have to knock myself out of surprise when I see someone of European descent who isn't one of the three. Bad habits die hard, unfortunately.
by Asterdan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:54 pm
Othelos wrote:Asterdan wrote:
See, I come from a literalist Church (I'm not a literalist, but this particular Church is the closest to my personal beliefs), and no one believes in the Rapture there. It's preached against quite often (as well as this whole 'once in grace, always in grace' thing.)
Strangely enough, our previous pastor said he believed there were other humans in Genesis. He was also a literalist.
Then the leaders of your church have a different opinion of what the bible is talking about than the churches I've been to, which were pentecostal (assemblies of god) and non-denominational (calvary chapel).
by Alsheb » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:56 pm
by Othelos » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:00 pm
Asterdan wrote:Othelos wrote:Well, in evangelical Christianity, a person has to pray to god and specifically say that, so that 'Jesus enters you heart' so to speak. Once someone is old enough, they're also supposed to get baptized (not mandatory, but it basically improves your standing in relation to god - it's like getting married instead of just cohabiting), and in certain sects, get baptized in the holy spirit, which helps people to speak in tongues.
I was taught that Christians who don't do those things are 'church christians' - that is, people who attend church but never really open a relationship with god, which is what is needed to get into heaven.
I was always taught that being baptizing is symbolic. Riverside services are amazing though.
Asterdan wrote:Ah, we're Free Will Baptist. That may have something to do with it.
by Skappola » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:00 pm
Lingria wrote:I'm Catholic, More specifically Roman Catholicism
I believe that there is only one God and that if I put my trust in him that he will allow me to go to the beyond with a peaceful life.
I don't support the pope and I believe the crusades were useless. Many good Europeans and Muslims lost their lives over a small patch of land.
by Dei Gentem » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:03 pm
by Pope Joan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:03 pm
Halstus wrote:Othelos wrote:Well, in evangelical Christianity, a person has to pray to god and specifically say that, so that 'Jesus enters you heart' so to speak. Once someone is old enough, they're also supposed to get baptized (not mandatory, but it basically improves your standing in relation to god - it's like getting married instead of just cohabiting), and in certain sects, get baptized in the holy spirit, which helps people to speak in tongues.
I was taught that Christians who don't do those things are 'church christians' - that is, people who attend church but never really open a relationship with god, which is what is needed to get into heaven.
So here's a question for you. What if you have a Catholic that prays and builds this relationship with God, but still adheres to Catholic principles and rituals?
by Asterdan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:06 pm
Othelos wrote:Asterdan wrote:
I was always taught that being baptizing is symbolic. Riverside services are amazing though.
Yep, I was taught that as well, but that it also literally changes someone's standing.Asterdan wrote:Ah, we're Free Will Baptist. That may have something to do with it.
Is that an evangelical or charismatic organization?
by Distruzio » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:09 pm
The Union of the West wrote:Distruzio wrote:So... I was hesitant to post at first because... you know... the other thread was so recent but if, after 4 pages, the mods haven't descended like fat kids at a cake eating contest I suppose I'll finally join.
Eastern Orthodox Christian here.
The fullness of the faith lies in the Eastern/Oriental Orthodox and Anglican/Roman Catholic expressions. The rest are heretical schismatics.
What about High Church Lutheranism? It's sort of like Anglo-Catholicism, but Lutheran instead of Anglican. Is it heretical?
by Skappola » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:12 pm
Distruzio wrote:The Union of the West wrote:What about High Church Lutheranism? It's sort of like Anglo-Catholicism, but Lutheran instead of Anglican. Is it heretical?
Of course. It's, of course, less intense a heresy than, say, Calvinism or the other reconstructionist heresies but, being reformist in nature (reforming, here, being the repudiation of an actual reformation of the Catholic Church) it remains, nonetheless, heretical.
by Aklontosaurus » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:12 pm
by Skappola » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:13 pm
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