The Pledge of Allegiance; Your Thoughts

[Ifreann]

To whom would you say it refers?

All religions with one god

How can it refer to the gods of multiple separate religions by the singular "God"?

[The New Sea Territory]

In the 1700s, people generally agreed there's nothing wrong with kidnapping Africans, storing them on ships with little food or water, taking them to the Americas and exploiting them violently through hard labor. The point is that stating that many people believe something doesn't make it true.

Loving your home and kidnapping people for slavery are nothing alike

You missed "the point".

[Clan Skirata]

Loving your home and kidnapping people for slavery are nothing alike

You missed "the point".

You are still comparing loving one's country to a despicable act, I understand that believing in something doesn't make it true.

[The New Sea Territory]

You missed "the point".

You are still comparing loving one's country to a despicable act, I understand that believing in something doesn't make it true.

...if you are still making that point, you have missed the point.

Loving one's country is not "despicable", just logically baseless.

[Ripoll]

You are still comparing loving one's country to a despicable act, I understand that believing in something doesn't make it true.

...if you are still making that point, you have missed the point.

Loving one's country is not "despicable", just logically baseless.

emotions can be argued to be logically baseless, you want to get rid of that? Sexual pleasure? Wanna get rid of that? Freedom of thought? Wanna get rid of that?

If you want to live your entire life solely based off of what is logical go ahead, I'm sure it'll be a pretty dull existence though.

[The New Sea Territory]

...if you are still making that point, you have missed the point.

Loving one's country is not "despicable", just logically baseless.

emotions can be argued to be logically baseless, you want to get rid of that? Sexual pleasure? Wanna get rid of that? Freedom of thought? Wanna get rid of that?

If you want to live your entire life solely based off of what is logical go ahead, I'm sure it'll be a pretty dull existence though.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I never said I wanted to get rid of anything illogical. Patriotism, on the other hand, is something illogical that is used to justify jingoism, oppression, xenophobia and imperialism. Once something illogical manifests itself in violent forms, I think social systems should avoid it.

[Ripoll]

emotions can be argued to be logically baseless, you want to get rid of that? Sexual pleasure? Wanna get rid of that? Freedom of thought? Wanna get rid of that?

If you want to live your entire life solely based off of what is logical go ahead, I'm sure it'll be a pretty dull existence though.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I never said I wanted to get rid of anything illogical. Patriotism, on the other hand, is something illogical that is used to justify jingoism, oppression, xenophobia and imperialism. Once something illogical manifests itself in violent forms, I think social systems should avoid it.

It's also been used to establish national pride, democracy, uphold international peace, allow economic expansion, etc.

A lot of inherently good things can be used for bad purposes, that's not a good reason to avoid them.

[Wallenburg]

FASCISM IN ACTION

Just because something can cause good things doesn't make it good.
The Crusades connected Eastern and Western culture for the first time since the fall of Rome.
Robespierre's Reign of Terror produced the social order necessary in a national emergency.
Slavery produced countless riches and kick-started American industry with abundant resources for textiles.
The near-extermination of the native American allowed whites to make lives for themselves in the West and transform the US into the largest producer of food.
The Nazis revitalized the German economy and created splendid social reform.
The nuclear weapons program opened the gate to a step towards cleaner energy.

The pledge of allegiance generates a sense of patriotism. But how helpful is that when it brainwashes 5-year-olds into believing that the US is perfect and supreme? The solidarity of the pledge is not countered by its suggestion of individual insignificance before a monolithic empire of light.

Wake up. We are not a city upon a hill.