Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

I am aware, but in *most* cases, that clump of cells will grow to be an actual human being.

And until they do, there is no argument against removing them from a woman's body or killing them.

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

[Mavorpen]

Thanks for telling me this.

If that were the case, euthanasia would be legal everywhere, which it isn't. Voluntary euthanasia is something I fully support.

Yeah, sorry, but just because you don't understand the legal precedent doesn't mean I'm wrong. It just makes you ignorant. There are, of course, exceptions. The Supreme Court stated that the right, like ANY right, isn't entirely absolute, and can be overridden given compelling State interest. If you can successfully argue that banning voluntary Euthanasia isn't a compelling state interest, you're welcome to try to take it to the Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with the fact that the Constitution protects the right to an abortion though.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And like I already stated through sarcasm that doesn't tend to work very well because it's hard for doctors to determine when a woman is in absolute danger even when they can see that they are in risk of a complication happening beforehand.

So? There must be just cause to believe a life-threatening complication may occur.

So basically you don't understand medicine and that disease doesn't happen automatically.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

So? There must be just cause to believe a life-threatening complication may occur.

At virtually any time during virtually any pregnancy.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

If that were the case, euthanasia would be legal everywhere, which it isn't. Voluntary euthanasia is something I fully support.

Yeah, sorry, but just because you don't understand the legal precedent doesn't mean I'm wrong. It just makes you ignorant. There are, of course, exceptions. The Supreme Court stated that the right, like ANY right, isn't entirely absolute, and can be overridden given compelling State interest. If you can successfully argue that banning voluntary Euthanasia isn't a compelling state interest, you're welcome to try to take it to the Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with the fact that the Constitution protects the right to an abortion though.

Euthanasia is a medical procedure protected just like abortion is, I do not understand why you think euthanasia is somehow exempt from that constitutional right.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And until they do, there is no argument against removing them from a woman's body or killing them.

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

I am also most likely to win the lottery if I keep buying lottery tickets.

[Neutraligon]

And until they do, there is no argument against removing them from a woman's body or killing them.

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

Well, if they had an abortion no they are not likely to grow into an adult. Potential is useless.

[Mavorpen]

Yeah, sorry, but just because you don't understand the legal precedent doesn't mean I'm wrong. It just makes you ignorant. There are, of course, exceptions. The Supreme Court stated that the right, like ANY right, isn't entirely absolute, and can be overridden given compelling State interest. If you can successfully argue that banning voluntary Euthanasia isn't a compelling state interest, you're welcome to try to take it to the Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with the fact that the Constitution protects the right to an abortion though.

Euthanasia is a medical procedure protected just like abortion is, I do not understand why you think euthanasia is somehow exempt from that constitutional right.

I don't. Why don't you actually read what I posted?

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

So? There must be just cause to believe a life-threatening complication may occur.

At virtually any time during virtually any pregnancy.

And, since the majority of pregnancies don't end in life-threatening complications, there's no just-cause for an abortion until one occurs.

[Edgy Opinions]

So? There must be just cause to believe a life-threatening complication may occur.

At virtually any time during virtually any pregnancy.

I mean, my mom had to take meds for her womb to not just accidentally me, and even in that situation abortion would still be illegal.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

Existence happens in the present, or you are removing future adults from existence every time you don't make a woman pregnant.

There are women out there right now, that you could be impregnating, and you aren't. Those people will never get a chance to live.

You monster.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Euthanasia is a medical procedure protected just like abortion is, I do not understand why you think euthanasia is somehow exempt from that constitutional right.

I don't. Why don't you actually read what I posted?

Isn't an abortion a compelling state interest too?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

At virtually any time during virtually any pregnancy.

And, since the majority of pregnancies don't end in life-threatening complications, there's no just-cause for an abortion until one occurs.

"The majority of chest pains don't end in heart attacks, so there's no reason for you to worry about a heart attack ever until you have a heart attack"

[Olthar]

And until they do, there is no argument against removing them from a woman's body or killing them.

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

"Future adults" don't exist. Basing your views and opinions on things that aren't real is absurd.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

And, since the majority of pregnancies don't end in life-threatening complications, there's no just-cause for an abortion until one occurs.

To anyone? Because that ship has sailed.

To the woman in question? By the time that's recognized, it may very well be too late.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

Existence happens in the present, or you are removing future adults from existence every time you don't make a woman pregnant.

There are women out there right now, that you could be impregnating, and you aren't. Those people will never get a chance to live.

You monster.

That's bullshit, because only a fertilized egg will ever become an adult. Contraceptives are fine, they prevent said egg from ever being fertilized, but once you fuck up (as 95% of unintended pregnancies are the result of misuse or disuse of birth control), you can't really change your mine.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

"Future adults" don't exist. Basing your views and opinions on things that aren't real is absurd.

Or potentials.

You know, I always ask this and I have never gotten a satisfactory answer, doubt there's one but, how come the potential life takes precedence over the actual life of the woman, who's already present?

[Mavorpen]

I don't. Why don't you actually read what I posted?

Isn't an abortion a compelling state interest too?

No. Only at a certain point, where the risk for complications has substantially increased, and so stricter regulations are necessary. It's precisely why the longer the pregnancy, the less chance that you will get an abortion for non-medical reasons.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Isn't an abortion a compelling state interest too?

Why would it be? How does it benefit the state to compel women to give birth to children they do not want?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

"Future adults" don't exist. Basing your views and opinions on things that aren't real is absurd.

It's gambler's mentality, basically.

"Well, I don't know whether or not I will have a heart attack, but fuck it, I'll stick lard in my veins because I shouldn't worry about it until I get a real heart attack"

[Arcturus Novus]

Except... that it will most likely grow to be an adult, so if you remove the fetus from existence, you (most likely) remove a future adult from existence, as well.

I am also most likely to win the lottery if I keep buying lottery tickets.

Not the strongest analogy, but it's pretty spot-on.

At virtually any time during virtually any pregnancy.

And, since the majority of pregnancies don't end in life-threatening complications, there's no just-cause for an abortion until one occurs.

There is the potential for a complication to occur, though. A splinter may not have caused an infection in its wound, but it might. That's reason enough to remove it if you so desire. Not everbody wants to carry around an exponentially-growing organism for nine months, for fear that something might happen.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

And, since the majority of pregnancies don't end in life-threatening complications, there's no just-cause for an abortion until one occurs.

To anyone? Because that ship has sailed.

To the woman in question? By the time that's recognized, it may very well be too late.

tough luck, preventative measures as drastic as abortion really don't need to be taken when the odds of having said life-threatening complication are very, very slim.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

That's bullshit, because only a fertilized egg will ever become an adult.

Except when it doesn't, like in cases of miscarriage or abortion.

Contraceptives are fine, they prevent said egg from ever being fertilized, but once you fuck up (as 95% of unintended pregnancies are the result of misuse or disuse of birth control), you can't really change your mine.

Yes you can. By getting an abortion.

[Olthar]

"Future adults" don't exist. Basing your views and opinions on things that aren't real is absurd.

Or potentials.

You know, I always ask this and I have never gotten a satisfactory answer, doubt there's one but, how come the potential life takes precedence over the actual life of the woman, who's already present?

Because the potential life may become a man. *nods*

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

"Future adults" don't exist. Basing your views and opinions on things that aren't real is absurd.

It's gambler's mentality, basically.

"Well, I don't know whether or not I will have a heart attack, but fuck it, I'll stick lard in my veins because I shouldn't worry about it until I get a real heart attack"

You shouldn't worry about it until your health goes south, which, so far, mine hasn't. "most likely" I used because the chances that you'll die before reaching adulthood are relatively low here in the developed world.