Anti-Tobacco Plain Packaging coming to Britannia soon

[Ifreann]

Your comparison sucks. Cigarettes, even with moderate use, are highly hazardous to your health. The same absolutely cannot be said for alcohol when consumed in moderation.

So who the hell is the government to tell me weather or not I want a cigarette? Or to wear a seatbelt.

The government isn't telling you whether or not you want a cigarette.

Lets tackle alcohol the most useless thing ever. It's pointless alcohol.

No more so than tobacco.

What forget have against smoking the smell? Personally I enjoy the smell. Why does plain packaging need to be put? Who is that going to stop your only hurting the company. Thus the economy.

The government seems to think that people will be less likely to take up smoking if it doesn't look cool and attractive.

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Further, if I sit at a bar and drink myself into a stupor over the course of 8 hours I won't do any harm to the bar staff. They won't get drunk by being near me.

No, but you can't say the same for that family you kill when you crash head-on into their car on the way home.

Drinking does not cause car accidents. Drunk driving does, and is consequently illegal.

[The Two Jerseys]

No, but you can't say the same for that family you kill when you crash head-on into their car on the way home.

That's not an effect of alcohol, that's an effect of driving while drunk. Do learn to differentiate, dear.

And they're driving drunk because of the alcohol.

I suppose you can't blame passing out and choking on your vomit on alcohol, either?

[Scomagia]

That's not an effect of alcohol, that's an effect of driving while drunk. Do learn to differentiate, dear.

And they're driving drunk because of the alcohol.

They're driving drunk because they choose to. Drunk driving isn't a product of alcohol, it's a product of stupidity. Alcohol doesn't make you drive drunk.

[Truthia]

Smoking hurts the body no matter what.
Alcohol is a thing that is ddependent upon on the drinker.

[-United Islamic Emirate-]

No, but you can't say the same for that family you kill when you crash head-on into their car on the way home.

That's not an effect of alcohol, that's an effect of driving while drunk. Do learn to differentiate, dear.

But what causes the drunkness in the first place dear?

[Zottistan]

That's not an effect of alcohol, that's an effect of driving while drunk. Do learn to differentiate, dear.

But what causes the drunkness in the first place dear?

You might as well ask what causes driving in the first place.

[Teemant]

It's against freedom of business.

[Ashmoria]

That's not an effect of alcohol, that's an effect of driving while drunk. Do learn to differentiate, dear.

But what causes the drunkness in the first place dear?

isn't it best to stick to THE TOPIC instead of splitting hairs about something that is irrelevant?

[-United Islamic Emirate-]

And they're driving drunk because of the alcohol.

They're driving drunk because they choose to. Drunk driving isn't a product of alcohol, it's a product of stupidity. Alcohol doesn't make you drive drunk.

The alcohol alters your state of mind to believe you indeed can drive. Smoking dosn't alter your mind. Look at bars the most disgusting places fighting and such goes on in there.

[Greater-London]

They're driving drunk because they choose to. Drunk driving isn't a product of alcohol, it's a product of stupidity. Alcohol doesn't make you drive drunk.

No but a product of being drunk is poor decision making. Although the drink driving argument isn't a good example of how alcohol has bad affects on other people there are others. It makes lots of people violent for instance.

[Scomagia]

That's not an effect of alcohol, that's an effect of driving while drunk. Do learn to differentiate, dear.

But what causes the drunkness in the first place dear?

Alcohol does not make you get into a car. It impairs your driving abilities but you choose to drive. You don't choose for cigarette smoke to turn this cell or that cell cancerous. Do you see the difference or do I need to break it down phonetically for you?

[Ashmoria]

It's against freedom of business.

business has no inherent freedom.

[Scomagia]

They're driving drunk because they choose to. Drunk driving isn't a product of alcohol, it's a product of stupidity. Alcohol doesn't make you drive drunk.

No but a product of being drunk is poor decision making. Although the drink driving argument isn't a good example of how alcohol has bad affects on other people there are others. It makes lots of people violent for instance.

It makes lots of people docile, so that doesn't really work all that well either.

[Southern Hampshire]

And alcohol can kill just as well as cigarettes.

Your comparison sucks. Cigarettes, even with moderate use, are highly hazardous to your health. The same absolutely cannot be said for alcohol when consumed in moderation.

Cigarettes with moderate use are no more dangerous than alcohol.

Smoking a fag once a week is as dangerous as drinking alcohol, not doing exercise or eating junk food in the same period.

It's just a silly law.

[-United Islamic Emirate-]

But what causes the drunkness in the first place dear?

You might as well ask what causes driving in the first place.

Because they drove to go to the party or bar where the alcohol is in the first place see how it is all driven by alcohol.

[Southern Hampshire]

It's against freedom of business.

business has no inherent freedom.

neither does human health

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I have no idea how this could evolve into a right/left argument, whereas the objective of this move is to encourage people to reject a harmful habit for their own advantage? I see this as a public health matter.

There is already a burden of peer-reviewed evidence that smoking with tobacco does harm to health and that something has to be done about it. I remember when tobacco smoking was legal indoors, and it was not very nice.

Big Tobacco is slowly losing the fight against the reality: they would have not wanted bans on adverts, bans on indoor tobacco smoking or plain packets.

[Zottistan]

You might as well ask what causes driving in the first place.

Because they drove to go to the party or bar where the alcohol is in the first place see how it is all driven by alcohol.

Again, you could as easily say it was all driven by driving.

[The Two Jerseys]

They're driving drunk smoking because they choose to. Drunk driving Buying cigarettes isn't a product of alcohol pretty packaging, it's a product of stupidity. Alcohol Cigarette packaging doesn't make you drive drunk smoke.

Care to argue this point?

[Teemant]

I have no idea how this could evolve into a right/left argument, whereas the objective of this move is to encourage people to reject a harmful habit for their own advantage? I see this as a public health matter.

There is already a burden of peer-reviewed evidence that smoking with tobacco does harm to health and that something has to be done about it. I remember when tobacco smoking was legal indoors, and it was not very nice.

Big Tobacco is slowly losing the fight against the reality: they would have not wanted bans on adverts, bans on indoor tobacco smoking or plain packets.

Why don't let people make their own choices.

[Scomagia]

Your comparison sucks. Cigarettes, even with moderate use, are highly hazardous to your health. The same absolutely cannot be said for alcohol when consumed in moderation.

Cigarettes with moderate use are no more dangerous than alcohol.

Smoking a fag once a week is as dangerous as drinking alcohol, not doing exercise or eating junk food in the same period.

It's just a silly law.

That's simply not true. http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/121/13/1518.long

[Scomagia]

They're driving drunk smoking because they choose to. Drunk driving Buying cigarettes isn't a product of alcohol pretty packaging, it's a product of stupidity. Alcohol Cigarette packaging doesn't make you drive drunk smoke.

Care to argue this point?

No, because it isn't even remotely similar to my original argument.

[Zottistan]

They're driving drunk smoking because they choose to. Drunk driving Buying cigarettes isn't a product of alcohol pretty packaging, it's a product of stupidity. Alcohol Cigarette packaging doesn't make you drive drunk smoke.

Care to argue this point?

Randomly chopping words out of other people's posts and replacing them with completely nonequivalent things isn't very persuasive, you know.

[The Two Jerseys]

Care to argue this point?

No, because it isn't even remotely similar to my original argument.

So alcohol gets a free pass because "it's your choice", but smoking doesn't?

Got it.

[Greater-London]

Decorative packaging sounds like the most trivial anti-counterfeiting measure possible short of putting up signs asking people to please not counterfeit cigarettes.

It's quite an effective anti-counterfeiting measure. Cigarette packets, drinks cans, drink's labels ETC are genuinely quite hard to reproduce which is why there often noticeable.