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Who will be the next superpower ?

The United States of America
160
29%
China
165
30%
The European Union
98
18%
India
57
10%
The Gulf States (Saudi Arabia, United Emirates...)
22
4%
Russia
42
8%
 
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Mike the Progressive
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:22 am

Teemant wrote:
Estenia wrote:USA used to be a Hyperpower, now it's reduced to superpower along with a couple other nations.


US military and cultural power is unmatched right now in the world.


Exactly, and our ability to project our power all over the world compared to China or Russia, which is at best regional( granted China is doing a lot of investing in Africa).

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Postby Teemant » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:26 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Teemant wrote:
US military and cultural power is unmatched right now in the world.


Exactly, and our ability to project our power all over the world compared to China or Russia, which is at best regional( granted China is doing a lot of investing in Africa).


Absolutely. Russia is actually overhyped in my opinion because last year US spent more money on military than Russia has years 2000-2014 combined.
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Lyanica
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Postby Lyanica » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:51 am

I agree. If anything, Russia's power seems to be waning, especially with their population growth rate in the place that it is and with sanctions hitting them incredibly hard
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Postby British Prussia » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:54 am

New Zealand. You guys don't just see it yet. We're King Dairy, and we can bring the world down.
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Postby Lyanica » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:56 am

British Prussia wrote:New Zealand. You guys don't just see it yet. We're King Dairy, and we can bring the world down.

soon New Zealand shall be our Lorde and ruler
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:57 am

Lyanica wrote:
British Prussia wrote:New Zealand. You guys don't just see it yet. We're King Dairy, and we can bring the world down.

soon New Zealand shall be our Lorde and ruler


Aha, I see what you did there.

Unfortunately, for NZ, Lorde is actually a 42 year old man from Colorado.

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Postby British Prussia » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:01 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Lyanica wrote:soon New Zealand shall be our Lorde and ruler


Aha, I see what you did there.

Unfortunately, for NZ, Lorde is actually a 42 year old man from Colorado.

American imperialist propaganda. The CIA feels the force is strong in us.
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Postby Bandwagon » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:01 am

EU and Russia, because China's economy will implode pretty soon.
And America is a piece of s**t at the moment and will be.
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Postby British Prussia » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:02 am

Bandwagon wrote:EU and Russia, because China's economy will implode pretty soon.
And America is a piece of s**t at the moment and will be.

I wouldn't say that, the Americans are still pretty strong. They're the only threat to New Zealand.
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Postby Lyanica » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:03 am

British Prussia wrote:I wouldn't say that, the Americans are still pretty strong. They're the only threat to New Zealand.

That and our Lorde propaganda
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:05 am

Bandwagon wrote:EU and Russia, because China's economy will implode pretty soon.
And America is a piece of s**t at the moment and will be.


Yes, because the Eurozone and Russia are doing so well! :roll:

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Postby New haven america » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:07 am

Estenia wrote:
Teemant wrote:USA is a hyperpower.

USA used to be a Hyperpower, now it's reduced to superpower along with a couple other nations.

No, no. You're very wrong.
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Postby Master Shake » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:11 am

Mike the Progressive wrote: Not to mention their economy is already slowing down anyway, as ours is gearing back up.


Any idea when that economic build up is going to reach California?

I swear in OC the recession never ended... :o

Edit last time I checked the economy is going to collapse in 2017...

The stock market bubble is already ballooning...
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:23 am

Master Shake wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote: Not to mention their economy is already slowing down anyway, as ours is gearing back up.


Any idea when that economic build up is going to reach California?

I swear in OC the recession never ended... :o

Edit last time I checked the economy is going to collapse in 2017...

The stock market bubble is already ballooning...


I'm sure it has to an extent, though there are certainly areas in the U.S. still struggling. That doesn't mean the country as a whole isn't doing better. But we have a long way to go.
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Postby Master Shake » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:24 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
Any idea when that economic build up is going to reach California?

I swear in OC the recession never ended... :o

Edit last time I checked the economy is going to collapse in 2017...

The stock market bubble is already ballooning...


I'm sure it has to an extent, though there are certainly areas in the U.S. still struggling. That doesn't mean the country as a whole isn't doing better. But we have a long way to go.


Texas is the only thing propping the nation up...I fear...
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:26 am

Master Shake wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I'm sure it has to an extent, though there are certainly areas in the U.S. still struggling. That doesn't mean the country as a whole isn't doing better. But we have a long way to go.


Texas is the only thing propping the nation up...I fear...


Not sure about that.... There are quite a few states doing well. Even Cali is doing better.

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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:33 am

There's not going to be one single hyperpower.

The US' overall global influence will decrease, China will surpass its GDP, but there won't be another superpower with the soft power potential and global military projection capabilities of the US for more than a few decades.
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Postby Arcanda » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:43 am

Cetacea wrote:
Arcanda wrote:China - It is becoming a key nation in Asia, however their population (More males than females, and aging population), lack of cultural influence and modernization will hold them back..


You're trying to say that China lacks cultural influence or modernization? WTF? [...]

Yes, they lack modernization.Although their coastal cities equal America's in terms of modernization, their inland is still very rural and very poor.I was also talking about modernization in the sense that with strict policies about the economy and buisness they have right now they are holding back much of their potential.
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Postby Arcanda » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:45 am

Bandwagon wrote:EU and Russia, because China's economy will implode pretty soon.
And America is a piece of s**t at the moment and will be.

Why would their economy implode ?

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:55 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:
The EU has a larger GDP than either the US or China. Personally I think the US and the UK are more likely to experience problems because of the policies producing extreme wealth inequality and squeezing out the middle class.


It does, but it's not really one economy.

And as the past has shown wealth inequality does not necessarily equate to instability.


That is its strength.

When hasn't it eventually led to either a police state or revolution?
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:22 am

Netherland will conquer all Netherlands-speaking lands, Suid-Afrika and Nieuw-Nederland (with the United States in a civil war between the Palinist-Bachmannist south and the Obamunist north), while going through a second golden century.

Meanwhile in the east, Indonesia refounds the Madjapahit Kingdom and, under direction of the Mahapatih, quickly takes all of south-east Asia, Indochina, Australia and New Zealand.

What follows is an epic battle between ships of NVOC n.v. and the Madjapahit king in the Pacific Ocean, which will later be filmed Michael Bay-style.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:25 am

Herrebrugh wrote:Netherland will conquer all Netherlands-speaking lands, Suid-Afrika and Nieuw-Nederland (with the United States in a civil war between the Palinist-Bachmannist south and the Obamunist north), while going through a second golden century.


And this will be the mastermind behind it:

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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:28 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:Netherland will conquer all Netherlands-speaking lands, Suid-Afrika and Nieuw-Nederland (with the United States in a civil war between the Palinist-Bachmannist south and the Obamunist north), while going through a second golden century.


And this will be the mastermind behind it:

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Postby Cetacea » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:34 am

Arcanda wrote:
Cetacea wrote:
You're trying to say that China lacks cultural influence or modernization? WTF? [...]

Yes, they lack modernization.Although their coastal cities equal America's in terms of modernization, their inland is still very rural and very poor.I was also talking about modernization in the sense that with strict policies about the economy and buisness they have right now they are holding back much of their potential.


the Chinese government has indicated that urbanization is one of their top agenda items and the past investment programmes in the coastal special economic zones is now fueling increase domestic investment in the interior cities like Chengdu, Wuhan and even as far west as Urumqi and Kashgar. Canton and Shanghai no longer provide cheap labour and thus the factories are moving inland and it is this domestic investment in the interior cities that is driving growth and modernisation in rural China and that will help stabilize the Chinese economy as the sheer size of the domestic consumer base means that it can be insulated from the global dependency that the coastal cities have developed.

Also the current business policies seem to be working, the don't conform to the policies of 'western' economies but the Chinese approach may simply indicate that capitalism isn't the only viable path

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Postby Bandwagon » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:03 am

Arcanda wrote:
Bandwagon wrote:EU and Russia, because China's economy will implode pretty soon.
And America is a piece of s**t at the moment and will be.

Why would their economy implode ?

Because the economy imploded after our Tiger boom in Ireland.
And it does everywhere else like Japan for example.
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