Man at Walmart attacked for carrying gun with permit

[Cedoria]

We've been pitted this for over 8 years. Did you not realize this?

It's not that easy. You can't just walk up to a cartel and snap your fingers and *POOF*, especially when they have a better equipment than your army.

You might not have it, but who do you think gives your illegal cocaine, meth, marijuana, etc. from?

The cartels run the medical marijuana clinics here in Santa Ana and bribe our cops...

Give it a few years and OC will be a warzone

Most of our illegal drugs come from China and Indonesia.

[Second Blazing]

You do realize you do not need a license whatsoever to buy a gun in every state in the country, as long as its not a handgun, right? I can literally just walk into the gun local gun shop, write a check and walk out with an armory after only a few forms to fill out per gun.

Yeah I call nonsense on that. Some states no doubt but "Every state" is no doubt a fabrication.

All but two, the only ones that require a license to own long guns are Washington DC and Massachusetts. Local laws may vary, but at the state level, I'm right.

[United Marxist Nations]

No, I hope that the shift in industry within the economy will lead to the possibility of it being revived, not necessarily in the United States (though I hope it would eventually happen there, it would be a while). And not strong to begin with? Soviet Union, bro?

I was speaking specifically of the US, and there are literally no signs of it being revived. China stopped even trying, it'll never succeed in the US, only bastardized forms exist in Africa and South America, and such a proletarian dictatorship would make Putin very unhappy.

Regardless of whether it would make him unhappy, many in the former Soviet countries continue to support communist parties.

[Estva]

Did you? Because you are struggling to grasp the English language.

And you clearly aren't familiar with Socrates.

Philosophy =/= language.

Along with that, you never specified anything. I agree, your statement bore a certain connotation. But the denotation was as simple as an acquaintance, or somebody emotionally close.

Your obsession with Socrates and desire to de-rail this on a ridiculous and pointless line is noted, and the conversation terminated. Socrates would have disliked everything about your conduct.

[Tyrinth]

Average police response is what...? 9-12 minutes?

Be sure to call 'em if anyone ever attempts to stab you. I'm sure they'll defend you.

Though the courts have ruled that they do not have a duty to do so.

Maybe figuring out a way that doesn't involve killing the other guy.

Get yourself learning some judo or good self-defence, they teach you knife defence there too.

Or you could, you know, run away, that's what most sensible people do.

Say I build a zip-gun in my basement after the ban takes place. What do you do with your judo then?

[WestRedMaple]

I'm glad that this didn't turn into the disaster it almost was. It's fortunate that the second man didn't also have a gun, and it's also fortunate that the first man didn't shoot him.

I don't really think that there's a valid reason to carry your gun about everywhere. A gun is not a security blanket, it is not a tikbalang ward, it actually doesn't exude a magical Aura of Deter Criminals +3. You should not be carrying it into someone else's place of business unless a) it is your job to do so, b) it is their job to repair your gun, or c) said business is a shooting range. It's rude, thoughtless, and uncouth, and I can't imagine that it's anything like what was intended by the drafters of the Second Amendment to the American constitution. Or at least I cannot see Jefferson or Adams sitting to dinner with their rifles across their backs.

As this example demonstrates, the potential for friendly fire (with bonus collateral damage!) is high; someone could very easily have been shot and killed. Heck, wasn't there an incident a little while ago in which a man was shot and killed for carrying a toy gun around Walmart?

Your gun is not a magical totem. While I don't mind people owning guns, I do mind people thinking that they're allowed to carry them about on their person in public, just in case they are ambushed by terrorist ninja assassins - because in real life the scenarios in which your carrying of a gun in public is justified don't really exist. I think that private organizations, such as Walmart, would be within their rights to bar customers from carrying weapons into their stores, and that it would be sensible for them to enact such bans.

It should be obvious that I am not fond of firearms, but even I know that you don't shoot at anything you don't intend to kill, you don't aim at anything you don't intend to shoot, and you assume every gun is loaded. By carrying a gun publicly, you're making a statement that you're willing and ready to kill other human beings if you feel threatened - which naturally makes everyone else feel threatened. Don't be an asshole, leave your gun at home.

There is no honestly denying that the real life scenarios in which the carrying and use of a firearm are justified do exist. There is certainly nothing rude, thoughtless, or uncouth with being prepared for a possible emergency.

There is nothing remotely related to being an asshole in desiring to defend yourself or others. You're right, if someone wants to kill one of my loved ones, I have absolutely no problem with stopping their evil.

[Spoder]

Yeah I call nonsense on that. Some states no doubt but "Every state" is no doubt a fabrication.

All but two, the only ones that require a license to own long guns are Washington DC and Massachusetts. Local laws may vary, but at the state level, I'm right.

[Second Blazing]

You do realize you do not need a license whatsoever to buy a gun in every state in the country, as long as its not a handgun, right? I can literally just walk into the gun local gun shop, write a check and walk out with an armory after only a few forms to fill out per gun.

A check? Who even uses those things anymore?

I do for big purchases. My card has a 600 dollar daily limit.

[Estva]

I was speaking specifically of the US, and there are literally no signs of it being revived. China stopped even trying, it'll never succeed in the US, only bastardized forms exist in Africa and South America, and such a proletarian dictatorship would make Putin very unhappy.

Regardless of whether it would make him unhappy, many in the former Soviet countries continue to support communist parties.

Only in Russia, really, they support nationalism no more than anything, and even in Russia, UR is far stronger(something like 71% approval iirc and the third party is of about equal size).

[Gauthier]

This is WalMart, where a black man holding a toy rifle is gunned down without hesitation. I still say this guy is white.

Who really gives a shit about the race. Do you really need to bring it up in every one of these threads?

Because race has a habit of determining reactions. Like how blacks are more likely to be gunned down by police for instance.

[Cedoria]

No, police and law enforcement will have them, so decent law-abiding citizens will be able to use the proper channels to protect themselves.

And the evidence from gun control in other countries doesn't bear out your argument that "only mass murderers will have them"

Face it, your Second Amendment should be fixed, there is no need for it in today's society in the US, and it is time for it too be changed.

The 2nd isn't broken, so it cannot really be fixed.

The families of victims of those who died due to the Government's failure to legislate would disagree with you.

[Master Shake]

The cartels run the medical marijuana clinics here in Santa Ana and bribe our cops...

Give it a few years and OC will be a warzone

Most of our illegal drugs come from China and Indonesia.

Russia?

Philippines...?

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

They really shouldn't, they guy likely didn't know the state allowed Concealed carry and was just trying help people, its a simple misunderstanding, have him pay a fine, apologize and go on his way and remind him the state has concealed carry.

Simple.

If the guy got injured in the hold then any medical cost should be covered by the tackler as well.

Ok, good intentions, I get it.
But 1, he wasn't brandishing it, 2 he wasn't threatening anybody, 3 attacking the guy with the gun unarmed is NOT a good idea!

1. From what the story says the guy saw the gun, didn't know it was a concealed weapon thing, so thats not a factor here for the guys intentions.

2. Again, he could have had a specific target, he could have been thinking of how to do it.

3. I didn't say it was did I?

Whats with half the people here thinking I'm for the guy who tackled the owner? Like, does any subtle nuance die on NSG still these days?

Like, where do half of the people here think this shit is going? I don't support the guy, I'm just saying I understand why the guy did what he did, and why I can't personally blame him for thinking that, I don't agree with the actions, hell I would have called 9-11 if I didn't know concealed carry was legal, and then apologize when the dispatcher tells me of the law.

Just, explaining why I think this person did this, or why I personally don't blame the person for trying to help, even if he was wrong, doesn't amount to me supporting the action.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Unless there's a sign banning it, then it's assumed that it's ok to carry into a business (assuming a person has the legal right to carry in their state).

Yes, and as I said, almost every business where I live has such a sign.

What state is that?

[Tyrinth]

The 2nd isn't broken, so it cannot really be fixed.

The families of victims of those who died due to the Government's failure to legislate would disagree with you.

Such logic can be extended to anyone who was ever murdered ever...

[Cedoria]

Maybe figuring out a way that doesn't involve killing the other guy.

Get yourself learning some judo or good self-defence, they teach you knife defence there too.

Or you could, you know, run away, that's what most sensible people do.

Say I build a zip-gun in my basement after the ban takes place. What do you do with your judo then?

Don't go into your basement.

Also, I don't do Judo, it was just an example.

[Master Shake]

Who really gives a shit about the race. Do you really need to bring it up in every one of these threads?

Because race has a habit of determining reactions. Like how blacks are more likely to be gunned down by police for instance.

Not just race...I have been beaten by the police once every ten years. Just for being white and having long hair and being out at night...Then again the cops hate my family and watch us like hawks...

[United Marxist Nations]

Regardless of whether it would make him unhappy, many in the former Soviet countries continue to support communist parties.

Only in Russia, really, they support nationalism no more than anything, and even in Russia, UR is far stronger(something like 71% approval iirc and the third party is of about equal size).

They have quite a bit of support in Moldova and Belarus as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_C ... viet_Union

Also, many more in the Ukraine think the fall of the USSR has caused harm to their country: http://www.pewglobal.org/2011/12/05/con ... iet-union/

But this really isn't the thread for this.

[Gauthier]

Because race has a habit of determining reactions. Like how blacks are more likely to be gunned down by police for instance.

Not just race...I have been beaten by the police once every ten years. Just for being white and having long hair and being out at night...Then again the cops hate my family and watch us like hawks...

And you were only beaten as opposed to being choked down or shot.

[Cedoria]

The families of victims of those who died due to the Government's failure to legislate would disagree with you.

Such logic can be extended to anyone who was ever murdered ever...

But the government has already outlawed serial killers, so there is very little else that they can do to legislate there anymore.

With guns, they clearly have it in their power to do more.

Anything that makes killing more difficult for whackjobs is ok in my book.

[WestRedMaple]

Well, given that the tackler is the one committing a violent crime, there is no rational argument for the tackler NOT being the one to blame.

From my point of view, its a simple misunderstanding.

I can't put full blame on the guy because he was thinking he was doing the right thing.

I'll fully and freely call him out and say hes an ass if he doesn't apologize and recognize that he made a mistake.

But, in the end, he committed a violent felony against a person who at no point in the situation did anything wrong. Innocent people should not be subject to attack simply because their attacker doesn't want to wait for a justified reason.

[Spoder]

And you clearly aren't familiar with Socrates.

Philosophy =/= language.

Along with that, you never specified anything. I agree, your statement bore a certain connotation. But the denotation was as simple as an acquaintance, or somebody emotionally close.

Your obsession with Socrates and desire to de-rail this on a ridiculous and pointless line is noted, and the conversation terminated. Socrates would have disliked everything about your conduct.

To the contrary.

Plato compared Socrates to a gadfly, and Socrates himself stated at his trial in Athens that society would come to miss him, as his social and moral criticism was helping Athens improve, or so he believed. Are you familiar with the Socratic Method?

[Tyrinth]

Say I build a zip-gun in my basement after the ban takes place. What do you do with your judo then?

Don't go into your basement.

Also, I don't do Judo, it was just an example.

You're really going to refuse to admit that there's a scenario where a firearm may be necessary or beneficial, aren't you?

[Estva]

Yeah I call nonsense on that. Some states no doubt but "Every state" is no doubt a fabrication.

All but two, the only ones that require a license to own long guns are Washington DC and Massachusetts. Local laws may vary, but at the state level, I'm right.

If you are so right you would have linked a source.
Because Connecticut, Haiwaii, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, and New Jersey all require state permits.

[Cedoria]

Most of our illegal drugs come from China and Indonesia.

Russia?

Philippines...?

No, most from those too.

NK sends some heroin over too once every few years, or they try too, but Customs usually grabs it first.