Man at Walmart attacked for carrying gun with permit

[Spirit of Hope]

It is becoming safer, even in the face of (possibly due to) record gun ownership.

Mutually Assured Destruction. It's not just for nukes anymore.

Any proof that the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction applies to this situation? Because only about 30-40 percent of Americans own a gun.

[Big Jim P]

It is becoming safer, even in the face of (possibly due to) record gun ownership.

Mutually Assured Destruction. It's not just for nukes anymore.

Can't argue the facts so you just post irrelevant drivel.

[Big Jim P]

Mutually Assured Destruction. It's not just for nukes anymore.

Any proof that the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction applies to this situation? Because only about 30-40 percent of Americans own a gun.

And the overwhelmingly vast majority of them are innocent, law abiding citizens, no matter how many time they are demonized by the GCFs.

[UpwardThrust]

Something about the act of pulling the gun out of the car and strapping it on when entering wall-mart would set me off as well (now I would have called police instead of confronting that is a different can of worms)

For some reason there is a world of difference on seeing someone who a pre-holstered weapon who obviously has had some training (if only civilian CC training) and someone pulling a gun from a car and sliding it under his jacket.

[Big Jim P]

Something about the act of pulling the gun out of the car and strapping it on when entering wall-mart would set me off as well (now I would have called police instead of confronting that is a different can of worms)

For some reason there is a world of difference on seeing someone who a pre-holstered weapon who obviously has had some training (if only civilian CC training) and someone pulling a gun from a car and sliding it under his jacket.

Then you would have handled it properly and not committed assault.

[Val Halla]

Moron. It appears that some people just want to look cool without thinking stuff through. Late for the party.

[Dei Vai Lexicon]

Im gonna say it's not a bad thing to bring a gun out into walmart as long as you dont have to use it. But i can understand if someone attacks you with a gun. Thats the only possible way i would use it, otherwise whats the point?

[BlueShores]

Well, I do my best to avoid any store that is patroned by CC folks. I dont mind ex military or police officers carry weapons around me. It is the yahoos that think they are clint eastwood that are the most dangerous.

If I were unfortunate enough to be in a robbery situation in a walmart. I would prefer that NO ONE, but law enforcement and the criminals would be carrying weapons. The last think I need is some robber and CC holder shooting up the place. No thank you, here is my wallet and I will leave with my life. The CC folks can go ahead and have their guns taken out of their cold dead hands.

[Big Jim P]

Im gonna say it's not a bad thing to bring a gun out into walmart as long as you dont have to use it. But i can understand if someone attacks you with a gun. Thats the only possible way i would use it, otherwise whats the point?

The whole point to carrying a gun is to defend against attack. The victim here showed remarkable restraint, and should be praised for it.

[Big Jim P]

Well, I do my best to avoid any store that is patroned by CC folks. I dont mind ex military or police officers carry weapons around me. It is the yahoos that think they are clint eastwood that are the most dangerous.

If I were unfortunate enough to be in a robbery situation in a walmart. I would prefer that NO ONE, but law enforcement and the criminals would be carrying weapons. The last think I need is some robber and CC holder shooting up the place. No thank you, here is my wallet and I will leave with my life. The CC folks can go ahead and have their guns taken out of their cold dead hands.

So you would have no problem with me carrying a gun. Nice to know.

[Val Halla]

Im gonna say it's not a bad thing to bring a gun out into walmart as long as you dont have to use it. But i can understand if someone attacks you with a gun. Thats the only possible way i would use it, otherwise whats the point?

The whole point to carrying a gun is to defend against attack. The victim here showed remarkable restraint, and should be praised for it.

And there are reasons for laws against vigilantism. It's so you don't get shot.

[Big Jim P]

The whole point to carrying a gun is to defend against attack. The victim here showed remarkable restraint, and should be praised for it.

And there are reasons for laws against vigilantism. It's so you don't get shot.

Very true. The assailant is lucky to have not been shot.

[BlueShores]

Well, I do my best to avoid any store that is patroned by CC folks. I dont mind ex military or police officers carry weapons around me. It is the yahoos that think they are clint eastwood that are the most dangerous.

If I were unfortunate enough to be in a robbery situation in a walmart. I would prefer that NO ONE, but law enforcement and the criminals would be carrying weapons. The last think I need is some robber and CC holder shooting up the place. No thank you, here is my wallet and I will leave with my life. The CC folks can go ahead and have their guns taken out of their cold dead hands.

So you would have no problem with me carrying a gun. Nice to know.

I dont have a problem with trained professionals handling weapons around me. Most ex military folks are typically very disciplined with their weapons... police the same. It is the mom that carries her weapon into walmart to only be shot by her own child is what I find frightening.

[Val Halla]

And there are reasons for laws against vigilantism. It's so you don't get shot.

Very true. The assailant is lucky to have not been shot.

As much as I hate to admit it, if some guy attacked me for no reason, I'd probably shoot him. Attack was unwarranted, victim responded well.

[Gauthier]

Any proof that the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction applies to this situation? Because only about 30-40 percent of Americans own a gun.

And the overwhelmingly vast majority of them are innocent, law abiding citizens, no matter how many time they are demonized by the GCFs.

One shooting = Gun Regulation Doesn't Work
One shooting- BUT THE MAJORITY OF GUN OWNERS ARE LAW ABIDING!!!!
Consistency as always.

MAD isn't some scientific theorem, it's policy. The threat of retaliatory action prevents any side from making the first move. Applies to guns as well as nuclear weapons. And of course anyone who's seen as not a member of the exclusive Nuclear/Gun Club are perceived to be vulnerable to invasion/exploitation like with the case of Iraq. Or people living next to douchebags with "My Neighbor Doesn't Have a Gun" signs. And before you get all false equivalence with "Blah Blah Blah Gun Control Freak Media Leaked Addresses Of Gun Owners Blah Blah Blah" again, what's the most damaging thing that can happen to someone who's revealed to be a gun owner? "Don't fuck with this one, s/he has a gun"? Compare that to a sign that screams "My neighbor is unarmed, feel free to rob and do whatever you feel like because s/he can't shoot back!" And please don't be disingenuous with "They might be attacked for having guns". Because isn't that why they bought a gun in the first place?

[Neoconstantius]

Hell, my local Walmart sells all sorts of firearms and ammo...

[Spirit of Hope]

So you would have no problem with me carrying a gun. Nice to know.

I dont have a problem with trained professionals handling weapons around me. Most ex military folks are typically very disciplined with their weapons... police the same. It is the mom that carries her weapon into walmart to only be shot by her own child is what I find frightening.

Police miss half of their shots at 7 yards under stressful situations, and on average only get 10-15 hours of range time a year. I have more training than some police with a firearm, and I generally get more range time than a police officer.

Now you see there are less than 1,000 accidental deaths involving a firearm in the united states, drowning is a much greater risk. There are 3 times as many car deaths in the United States than firearm related homicides. They just aren't the great risk that people like to paint them as.

And the overwhelmingly vast majority of them are innocent, law abiding citizens, no matter how many time they are demonized by the GCFs.

One shooting = Gun Regulation Doesn't Work
One shooting- BUT THE MAJORITY OF GUN OWNERS ARE LAW ABIDING!!!!
Consistency as always.

Is there something wrong with that? There are stabbings in the United States, should we ban knives? What about arms and legs, because those are used for lots of assaults and murders.

Most gun owners are law abiding, there are 300 million guns in the United states and around only 150,000 gun injuries and deaths in the united states.

MAD isn't some scientific theorem, it's policy. The threat of retaliatory action prevents any side from making the first move. Applies to guns as well as nuclear weapons. And of course anyone who's seen as not a member of the exclusive Nuclear/Gun Club are perceived to be vulnerable to invasion/exploitation like with the case of Iraq. Or people living next to douchebags with "My Neighbor Doesn't Have a Gun" signs. And before you get all false equivalence with "Blah Blah Blah Gun Control Freak Media Leaked Addresses Of Gun Owners Blah Blah Blah" again, what's the most damaging thing that can happen to someone who's revealed to be a gun owner? "Don't fuck with this one, s/he has a gun"? Compare that to a sign that screams "My neighbor is unarmed, feel free to rob and do whatever you feel like because s/he can't shoot back!" And please don't be disingenuous with "They might be attacked for having guns". Because isn't that why they bought a gun in the first place?

Accept in general the number of households that own guns in the United States has been decreasing over the last 20 years.

[Gauthier]

One shooting = Gun Regulation Doesn't Work
One shooting- BUT THE MAJORITY OF GUN OWNERS ARE LAW ABIDING!!!!
Consistency as always.

Is there something wrong with that? There are stabbings in the United States, should we ban knives? What about arms and legs, because those are used for lots of assaults and murders.

Regulation =/= Banning

It says much when anyone so much as suggests there should be an effort to close loopholes like gun shows, internet and private exchanges that lets a few would-be mass shooters get their wares without so much as a red flag and a chorus screams "DEY'RE TAYKIN OUR GUNZ!!"

Most gun owners are law abiding, there are 300 million guns in the United states and around only 150,000 gun injuries and deaths in the united states.

You might have noticed that comment was a snide observation on how a single shooting is held up as irrefutable proof by gun nuts that every and all forms of gun regulation DO NOT WORK, while at the same time a single shooting somehow doesn't reflect badly on the relatively lax state of gun ownership.

[BlueShores]

Police miss half of their shots at 7 yards under stressful situations, and on average only get 10-15 hours of range time a year. I have more training than some police with a firearm, and I generally get more range time than a police officer.

Now you see there are less than 1,000 accidental deaths involving a firearm in the united states, drowning is a much greater risk. There are 3 times as many car deaths in the United States than firearm related homicides. They just aren't the great risk that people like to paint them as.

And here lies one of many problems in the fun community....

It aint about your aim. It is about your decision making. Professionals are trained in both accuracy and decision making. Any idiot can pull a trigger.

[Gauthier]

Police miss half of their shots at 7 yards under stressful situations, and on average only get 10-15 hours of range time a year. I have more training than some police with a firearm, and I generally get more range time than a police officer.

Now you see there are less than 1,000 accidental deaths involving a firearm in the united states, drowning is a much greater risk. There are 3 times as many car deaths in the United States than firearm related homicides. They just aren't the great risk that people like to paint them as.

And here lies one of many problems in the fun community....

It aint about your aim. It is about your decision making. Professionals are trained in both accuracy and decision making. Any idiot can pull a trigger.

And with a few people, holding a gun suddenly inhibits discretion in decision-making. "I'll try not to make waves" suddenly becomes "If I get touched in the slightest I'll gun 'em down". Even more pronounced during arguments.

[Spirit of Hope]

Police miss half of their shots at 7 yards under stressful situations, and on average only get 10-15 hours of range time a year. I have more training than some police with a firearm, and I generally get more range time than a police officer.

Now you see there are less than 1,000 accidental deaths involving a firearm in the united states, drowning is a much greater risk. There are 3 times as many car deaths in the United States than firearm related homicides. They just aren't the great risk that people like to paint them as.

And here lies one of many problems in the fun community....

It aint about your aim. It is about your decision making. Professionals are trained in both accuracy and decision making. Any idiot can pull a trigger.

And the police have shown upstanding decision making in recent shooting?

Is there something wrong with that? There are stabbings in the United States, should we ban knives? What about arms and legs, because those are used for lots of assaults and murders.

Regulation =/= Banning

It says much when anyone so much as suggests there should be an effort to close loopholes like gun shows, internet and private exchanges that lets a few would-be mass shooters get their wares without so much as a red flag and a chorus screams "DEY'RE TAYKIN OUR GUNZ!!"

Most gun owners are law abiding, there are 300 million guns in the United states and around only 150,000 gun injuries and deaths in the united states.

You might have noticed that comment was a snide observation on how a single shooting is held up as irrefutable proof by gun nuts that every and all forms of gun regulation DO NOT WORK, while at the same time a single shooting somehow doesn't reflect badly on the relatively lax state of gun ownership.

See I agree there are loopholes that need to be closed, even Big Jim agrees on that. You just keep making snide comments with no proof. Show me that there is a major problem with people getting guns and deciding to shoot anyone who "sneezes on them".