Man at Walmart attacked for carrying gun with permit

[Spoder]

The flamebaiting was the "deluded... fantasies" part.

Given where shootings have taken place, I myself would feel more comfortable carrying a firearm with me.

Well, it is a deluded fantasy. I am not calling you a fool but you hold a deluded fantasy.

And I would feel far less comfortable with you possessing one in my presence unless we were friends.

So you would trust an emotionally unstable friend with a gun more than strange with one?

Interesting.

[Second Blazing]

I like how some people are blaming the tackler...

As they should.

[Cedoria]

Well, having a lack of corruption and being able to allocate government resources more efficiently would certainly make it work better too.

Maybe the murder rate has gone up, but how many of those murders have been commited with a gun? Has that rate gone up or down?

And why is such a statistic relevant?

Because if there are less murders being commited with a gun, then obviously gun crime is going down.

He tried to assert that gun control doesn't prevent gun crime, and I asked him to provide evidence of the murder rate with guns, which will prove him either wrong or right

Is this clear?

[Estva]

including the bill floating around in Texas attempting to authorize the ownership of firearms without any license whatsoever.

You do realize you do not need a license whatsoever to buy a gun in every state in the country, as long as its not a handgun, right? I can literally just walk into the gun local gun shop, write a check and walk out with an armory after only a few forms to fill out per gun.

Yeah I call nonsense on that. Some states no doubt but "Every state" is no doubt a fabrication.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

We introduced it into our country, and that didn't stop multiple drug cartels getting their hands on guns better than that of our army.

The number of murders has gone up, almost to the point where we get listed on one of the top 5 countries with the most murders collectively.

No, it doesn't.

Well, having a lack of corruption and being able to allocate government resources more efficiently would certainly make it work better too.

Maybe the murder rate has gone up, but how many of those murders have been commited with a gun? Has that rate gone up or down?

The rate has stayed the same, at a 23.7% with a amounted 27,199(2014) homicides, most attributed to the drug cartels, listed as number 3 only out shined by Brazil and India.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

No its not.

Yes it is; it is the assumption that, because he has a concealed carry permit, he must be a "racist conservative asshole".

Its not because he's being fucking sarcastic...

Do you have a form of Autism or anything btw?

Because I do and I know its sarcasm.

[WestRedMaple]

Please, explain why it is. Also, knock-off the flamebaiting.

Well I mean my statement is true, you said this yourself, multiple times, in multiple threads. You honestly believe it will help some "proletarian revolution".

There is no real justifiable reason to take your gun everywhere, and have the potential to cause many incidents turn lethal. Especially with the complete lack of regulation in many areas, including the bill floating around in Texas attempting to authorize the ownership of firearms without any license whatsoever.

Of course there is no real justifiable reason to take it everywhere. There are certain times carrying a firearm is a bad idea, such as when you're in a wrestling match or swimming the 50 free

Most times there ARE perfectly justifiable reasons to carry a firearm

[Paledonn]

That is obviously NOT a solution to violent crime given the fact that violent criminals existed for so long before firearms

But they may only kill one or two people without a gun, as opposed to the dozens or hundreds of people who die when they do have one.

But they can get one anyway off the black market.

[Estva]

Well, it is a deluded fantasy. I am not calling you a fool but you hold a deluded fantasy.

And I would feel far less comfortable with you possessing one in my presence unless we were friends.

So you would trust an emotionally unstable friend with a gun more than strange with one?

Interesting.

Yes clearly that's what I was saying. Spot on again with the strawman.

[Tsaraine]

I'm glad that this didn't turn into the disaster it almost was. It's fortunate that the second man didn't also have a gun, and it's also fortunate that the first man didn't shoot him.

I don't really think that there's a valid reason to carry your gun about everywhere. A gun is not a security blanket, it is not a tikbalang ward, it actually doesn't exude a magical Aura of Deter Criminals +3. You should not be carrying it into someone else's place of business unless a) it is your job to do so, b) it is their job to repair your gun, or c) said business is a shooting range. It's rude, thoughtless, and uncouth, and I can't imagine that it's anything like what was intended by the drafters of the Second Amendment to the American constitution. Or at least I cannot see Jefferson or Adams sitting to dinner with their rifles across their backs.

As this example demonstrates, the potential for friendly fire (with bonus collateral damage!) is high; someone could very easily have been shot and killed. Heck, wasn't there an incident a little while ago in which a man was shot and killed for carrying a toy gun around Walmart?

Your gun is not a magical totem. While I don't mind people owning guns, I do mind people thinking that they're allowed to carry them about on their person in public, just in case they are ambushed by terrorist ninja assassins - because in real life the scenarios in which your carrying of a gun in public is justified don't really exist. I think that private organizations, such as Walmart, would be within their rights to bar customers from carrying weapons into their stores, and that it would be sensible for them to enact such bans.

It should be obvious that I am not fond of firearms, but even I know that you don't shoot at anything you don't intend to kill, you don't aim at anything you don't intend to shoot, and you assume every gun is loaded. By carrying a gun publicly, you're making a statement that you're willing and ready to kill other human beings if you feel threatened - which naturally makes everyone else feel threatened. Don't be an asshole, leave your gun at home.

[Estva]

Well I mean my statement is true, you said this yourself, multiple times, in multiple threads. You honestly believe it will help some "proletarian revolution".

There is no real justifiable reason to take your gun everywhere, and have the potential to cause many incidents turn lethal. Especially with the complete lack of regulation in many areas, including the bill floating around in Texas attempting to authorize the ownership of firearms without any license whatsoever.

Of course there is no real justifiable reason to take it everywhere. There are certain times carrying a firearm is a bad idea, such as when you're in a wrestling match or swimming the 50 free

Most times there ARE perfectly justifiable reasons to carry a firearm

You can make up a reason to have a firearm anywhere, at anytime.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Despite having no criminal record or recorded usage of his firearm toward a person? The second is an "all X are Y" style flamebait.

Well obviously if he's carrying a gun he has criminal intent.

Congratulations, this is one of the most pants on head retarded things I've read today.

The guy that tackled him was a moron though, he's lucky he didn't get shot for assaulting someone with a gun.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Good for you. Until you have your own business though, it matters not a bit to someone who carries.

Somewhat, because your idle statement can also be turned around, as I refuse to patronize any business that allows firearm carries on their property.

Unless there's a sign banning it, then it's assumed that it's ok to carry into a business (assuming a person has the legal right to carry in their state).

[Cedoria]

Australia was pretty much in an identical situation as us. Less population, but quite a few guns as well. Population density was also similar.

Yeah, but a lot of the guns are probably out in the desert/bush where hunters live.

But they are strictly regulated, and they're not using them to shoot people, they are engaging in lawful hunting within approved sites and with approved restrictions.

There is a clear difference.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

I like how some people are blaming the tackler...

As they should.

They really shouldn't, they guy likely didn't know the state allowed Concealed carry and was just trying help people, its a simple misunderstanding, have him pay a fine, apologize and go on his way and remind him the state has concealed carry.

Simple.

If the guy got injured in the hold then any medical cost should be covered by the tackler as well.

[Tyrinth]

And why is such a statistic relevant?

Because if there are less murders being commited with a gun, then obviously gun crime is going down.

He tried to assert that gun control doesn't prevent gun crime, and I asked him to provide evidence of the murder rate with guns, which will prove him either wrong or right

Is this clear?

That's wonderful. And I'm saying that murders are murders, and singling out "gun crime" serves zero purpose.

There's also more to think about in such a situation. Suddenly, those with access to a firearm are much more effective. Le

[Estva]

Somewhat, because your idle statement can also be turned around, as I refuse to patronize any business that allows firearm carries on their property.

Unless there's a sign banning it, then it's assumed that it's ok to carry into a business (assuming a person has the legal right to carry in their state).

Yes, and as I said, almost every business where I live has such a sign.

[Spoder]

So you would trust an emotionally unstable friend with a gun more than strange with one?

Interesting.

Yes clearly that's what I was saying. Spot on again with the strawman.

You said

unless we were friends

Your post does not specify anything, meaning I am not exceeding my given boundaries by assuming this friend is emotionally unstable.

[United Marxist Nations]

The flamebaiting was the "deluded... fantasies" part.

Given where shootings have taken place, I myself would feel more comfortable carrying a firearm with me.

Well, it is a deluded fantasy. I am not calling you a fool but you hold a deluded fantasy.

And I would feel far less comfortable with you possessing one in my presence unless we were friends.

How, pray tell, is it a deluded fantasy?

I own eight, so...

[Estva]

Yes clearly that's what I was saying. Spot on again with the strawman.

You said

unless we were friends

Your post does not specify anything, meaning I am not exceeding my given boundaries by assuming this friend is emotionally unstable.

You could also assume my friend was Obama or Merkel. Doesn't make the assumption any less idiotic and my meaning as perfectly clear.

[Cedoria]

Well, having a lack of corruption and being able to allocate government resources more efficiently would certainly make it work better too.

Maybe the murder rate has gone up, but how many of those murders have been commited with a gun? Has that rate gone up or down?

The rate has stayed the same, at a 23.7% with a amounted 27,199(2014) homicides, most attributed to the drug cartels, listed as number 3 only out shined by Brazil and India.

Well, obviously fixing the cartels would be the next logical step you could take.

Once the organised crime disappears, than that would work too.

But Murica doesn't have such a huge cartel problem as you, not in most areas at any rate.

[WestRedMaple]

Being prepared to effectively defend oneself is not idiocy.

And there are ways to do that without declaring your ability to become a mass murderer ins seconds.

There are ways to defend yourself LESS effectively, but not as effectively.

Carrying my pistol in no way declares anything. You have no idea when I have it or don't have it. You have no idea where I'm carrying it or what make or model

[WestRedMaple]

If we ban guns, only the people who are mass murderers will have them. They will get them off the black market, and decent, law abiding citizens will have no defense.

No, police and law enforcement will have them, so decent law-abiding citizens will be able to use the proper channels to protect themselves.

And the evidence from gun control in other countries doesn't bear out your argument that "only mass murderers will have them"

Face it, your Second Amendment should be fixed, there is no need for it in today's society in the US, and it is time for it too be changed.

The 2nd isn't broken, so it cannot really be fixed.

[Israel Kahn]

I am having trouble understanding your post, it sounds like you are saying its ok to own a gun, but not to have it with you? What do you mean?

It is fine to have a gun. What is not fine is to go into a public grocery like this Walmart, waving it around. People are bringing rifles to coffee shops,it's getting out of control.

I wholeheartedly agree. Crime-free hellholes, such as Oregon or Utah, need to to keep all of these non-violent loons from carrying those scary firearms in public!

[Spoder]

You said

Your post does not specify anything, meaning I am not exceeding my given boundaries by assuming this friend is emotionally unstable.

You could also assume my friend was Obama or Merkel. Doesn't make the assumption any less idiotic and my meaning as perfectly clear.

Your meaning could not have been less clear.

You could just try to use more adjectives next time you make a post like that.

*Socrates away!*