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was Sigmund Freud credible?

Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:07 pm

I know that it may sound crazy and all but was he really? Of course we wouldn't have modern day psychology with out him. But as I do recall he was addicted to Opium/Heroin he was a pedophile and was on the perverted side. I herd today in a conversation I had that he toyed with his feices. So with all these things adding up does he seem credible I say no personally I find this disturbing and a lot of his theories disturbing and how his mother problems played a roll in it too. So what say you NS? Do you agree or disagree?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:08 pm

The fact he blamed almost everything on mothers is a bit disturbing.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:08 pm

OP obviously has a problem with his dad and penis. :p
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Postby Mushet » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:09 pm

Funny guy, I think people take him too seriously.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:09 pm

You need to source the pedophile bit, even though it isn't relevant to his credibility at all.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:10 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:The fact he blamed almost everything on mothers is a bit disturbing.

It's also not exactly true unless we're only focusing on the pop-culture version of Freud.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:10 pm

Mushet wrote:Funny guy, I think people take him too seriously.

It was all satire HAHA :)
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Postby Natapoc » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:10 pm

No of course not. Modern psychologists reject his theories as pseudoscience. His method of creating un falsifiable psudoscientific claims to justify his preconceived conclusions is reminiscent of the methods of modern evolutionary psychologists.
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:12 pm

Just because he was an absolute madman (probably with a mental illness of sorts) doesn't change the fact that he was an astonishing neurologist, or the fact that many of his ideas and works helped shape neurology today.


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Postby Margno » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:12 pm

Freud's problem was that he wanted to have sex with his mother, and the first time he saw a naked woman he got super paranoid that his father was gonna cut his penis off. Everything else he did pretty much stemmed from that.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:12 pm

Natapoc wrote:No of course not. Modern psychologists reject his theories as pseudoscience. His method of creating un falsifiable psudoscientific claims to justify his preconceived conclusions is reminiscent of the methods of modern evolutionary psychologists.

He is the base of modern psychology and psychology no matter what thought/school exists has some root to him.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:13 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Just because he was an absolute madman (probably with a mental illness of sorts) doesn't change the fact that he was an astonishing neurologist, or the fact that many of his ideas and works helped shape neurology today.

So being high and having mental problems dosnt bring red flags to you?
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:14 pm

They helped found the beginnings, but most of their theories are rubbish, and the man was a drug addict, historically ignorant about religion, and a fucking quack.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:14 pm

Natapoc wrote:No of course not. Modern psychologists reject his theories as pseudoscience. His method of creating un falsifiable psudoscientific claims to justify his preconceived conclusions is reminiscent of the methods of modern evolutionary psychologists.

That still doesn't change the fact that he's one of the foundations of psychology, just as medieval alchemists are the foundation of early chemistry.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:14 pm

Margno wrote:Freud's problem was that he wanted to have sex with his mother, and the first time he saw a naked woman he got super paranoid that his father was gonna cut his penis off. Everything else he did pretty much stemmed from that.

Of-course then we have the feminist who came up with Womb/ Vagina envy.
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Postby Zakuvia » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:14 pm

His original theories have been discounted, but like Einstein, he was a pivotal historical figure who would go on to influence those with more tightly focused ideas and theories. Now, the analogy isn't 1 for 1, but psychology isn't as hard a science as astrophysics. Additionally, the idea of formalized mental health was nebulous at this point, a stone's throw from witchdoctors. Of course his ideas, formed without a generation and a half's worth of study, formal analysis, and neuropsychological research, fall fairly easily to modern techniques.

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:15 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Just because he was an absolute madman (probably with a mental illness of sorts) doesn't change the fact that he was an astonishing neurologist, or the fact that many of his ideas and works helped shape neurology today.

So being high and having mental problems dosnt bring red flags to you?

Not especially, no. Some of the brightest minds have been mentally ill, high, or both.
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Benuty wrote:They helped found the beginnings, but most of their theories are rubbish, and the man was a drug addict, historically ignorant about religion, and a fucking quack.

He was only useful in the fact that he based psychology and theories other wise he's just useless.
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Postby Natapoc » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:16 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Natapoc wrote:No of course not. Modern psychologists reject his theories as pseudoscience. His method of creating un falsifiable psudoscientific claims to justify his preconceived conclusions is reminiscent of the methods of modern evolutionary psychologists.

That still doesn't change the fact that he's one of the foundations of psychology, just as medieval alchemists are the foundation of early chemistry.


Yes. And just as chemists have rejected the more "magical" explanations of chemical interaction, so also modern psychologists reject the magical thinking that formed the basis of his "theories"
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Postby Dracoria » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:16 pm

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-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Benuty wrote:They helped found the beginnings, but most of their theories are rubbish, and the man was a drug addict, historically ignorant about religion, and a fucking quack.

He was only useful in the fact that he based psychology and theories other wise he's just useless.

Hence my first part about the "founding the beginnings". It is any wonder Carl Jung, and his Neo-Freudian lot tried to move toward "Pyscho-Social" instead of "Psycho-Sexual".
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Natapoc wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That still doesn't change the fact that he's one of the foundations of psychology, just as medieval alchemists are the foundation of early chemistry.


Yes. And just as chemists have rejected the more "magical" explanations of chemical interaction, so also modern psychologists reject the magical thinking that formed the basis of his "theories"

That was sort of my point.
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Natapoc wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That still doesn't change the fact that he's one of the foundations of psychology, just as medieval alchemists are the foundation of early chemistry.


Yes. And just as chemists have rejected the more "magical" explanations of chemical interaction, so also modern psychologists reject the magical thinking that formed the basis of his "theories"

I am not sure their Cocaine highs which probably influenced their thoughts on psychology could be considered magical.
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Postby Tsaraine » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:18 pm

Freud was influential, but he wasn't particularly correct. He was apparently considered credible at the time, but I think calling him credible now - given how much more we know about psychology and neurology - would be wrong.

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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:19 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Just because he was an absolute madman (probably with a mental illness of sorts) doesn't change the fact that he was an astonishing neurologist, or the fact that many of his ideas and works helped shape neurology today.

So being high and having mental problems dosnt bring red flags to you?

It does 'bring red flags', but it doesn't change anything about his work or his ideas. Freud greatly improved psychology and neurology and without him, psychology/neurology would not be what it is today.


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