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Obama announces plan to make community college free for all

Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:48 pm

The White House on Thursday announced a proposal that President Barack Obama said would make community college "free for everybody who is willing to work for it." But administration officials provided no details about the program's costs or where the money would come to pay for it.

Obama planned to formally announce the plan Friday at Pellissippi State Community College in Knoxville, Tennessee. He gave a preview in a videotaped message shot aboard Air Force One and posted on Facebook.

"It's not just for kids," Obama said. "We also have to make sure that everybody has the opportunity to constantly train themselves for better jobs, better wages, better benefits."

Obama provided few specifics, and White House and Education Department officials on a conference call with reporters Thursday evening said the funding details would come out later with the president's budget.

The White House did say that if all states participated, that nine million students could benefit ? saving on average $3,800 in tuition per year for a full-time student. That means the program could cost in the billions of dollars. In a Republican-led Congress, the proposal likely faces a tough legislative fight to be passed.

"With no details or information on the cost, this seems more like a talking point than a plan," said Cory Fritz, press secretary for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

Under the proposal, participating students would be expected to maintain a modest grade point average and participating schools would have to meet certain academic requirements. States would opt in to the program and put up a fraction of the funding.

"Put simply, what I'd like to do is to see the first two years of community college free for everybody who is willing to work for it," the president said.

David Baime, vice president for government relations at the American Association of Community Colleges, called the plan an "extraordinary" investment. He said the essence of the proposal is to reduce the cost of attending community college and "that is a concept that we heartily endorse."

Last year, Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam signed into law a scholarship program using lottery funding that provides free community and technical college tuition for two years to the state's high school graduates.

The scholarship program faced opposition in Tennessee from some of the state's private colleges and legislators concerned that the program could potentially divert students and scholarship dollars from four-year schools. Haslam has said the program will increase the pool of students going to college.

The White House said its proposal was inspired by the Tennessee plan and another similar program in Chicago.



The requirements:

What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.


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http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/01/ ... ts-2-years

I'm actually quite shocked at this announcement. This is actually a progressive policy that would expand opportunity. It's not just doing a little bit by reducing loan interest rates -- it's making community free. That's a pretty big thing for American politics. Maybe if this goes ahead, then we could eventually move towards free universities, too. It's almost revolutionary in American terms.

I do have doubts that Republicans would support this, though. Hopefully they will support it in exchange for Obama approving something of their legislation, but we'll have to see.

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Postby New Hampshire Republic » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:49 pm

I like how he lied and said "free."
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:50 pm

New Hampshire Republic wrote:I like how he lied and said "free."


How would it not be free at the point of use?
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New Hampshire Republic wrote:I like how he lied and said "free."
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This is a step in the right direction.

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New Hampshire Republic wrote:I like how he lied and said "free."
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:52 pm

I can't state outright approval without some more detail, but I can say I'm definitely intrigued.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:52 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
New Hampshire Republic wrote:I like how he lied and said "free."

He said that work would be required.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:53 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:

He said that work would be required.


By work he meant maintaining a 2.5 GPA and making reasonable progress time-wise.
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Geilinor wrote:He said that work would be required.


By work he meant maintaining a 2.5 GPA and making reasonable progress time-wise.

Where did he say that?
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New Hampshire Republic wrote:I like how he lied and said "free."


How would it not be free at the point of use?

The point is that this means an increased tax burden and creates more competition in the job market, feeding into the cycle of over-qualification that is ruining our economy.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:55 pm

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By work he meant maintaining a 2.5 GPA and making reasonable progress time-wise.

Where did he say that?


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Postby Lyras » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:55 pm

Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it. In this case, the taxpayer.

Which, one way or another, is everyone. It isn't free, and we, collectively, ought to stop pretending that anything from the public purse is without cost.
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Postby Patria Magna » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:56 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
New Hampshire Republic wrote:I like how he lied and said "free."


How would it not be free at the point of use?


Nothing is free. This would be paid for by taxes.
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Lyras wrote:Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it. In this case, the taxpayer.

Which, one way or another, is everyone. It isn't free, and we, collectively, ought to stop pretending that anything from the public purse is without cost.

Remember that taxpayers and future taxpayers will be benefiting from this.
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Lyras wrote:Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it. In this case, the taxpayer.

Which, one way or another, is everyone. It isn't free, and we, collectively, ought to stop pretending that anything from the public purse is without cost.


The term means 'free at the point of use' - that there are no user fees. Just as the taxpayer already pays for community college, yet they charge user fees, too. It's a public service. Nobody thinks that public services come out of thin air.

It's free in the same way it's free to call the police, go to school, be defended by the military, etc... it's not tied to an individual's means, and the community pays for it as a public service, which makes it free at the point of use.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:57 pm

Lyras wrote:Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it. In this case, the taxpayer.

Which, one way or another, is everyone. It isn't free, and we, collectively, ought to stop pretending that anything from the public purse is without cost.

:roll: Because everyone is totally implying that this comes out of nowhere.

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Postby Constaniana » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:57 pm

I saw this in the sidebar and it just said "Obama announces plan to make comm" and I assumed it was going to be some communist conspiracy. :p

Anyways, this sounds great . It'll be interesting to hear more details about this.
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Patria Magna wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
How would it not be free at the point of use?


Nothing is free. This would be paid for by taxes.

"free at the point of use"

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Atlanticatia wrote:
How would it not be free at the point of use?

The point is that this means an increased tax burden and creates more competition in the job market, feeding into the cycle of over-qualification that is ruining our economy.

Nobody is being forced to go to community college.
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:58 pm

Fuck sake, people we get it! He clearly meant free at the point of use. I knew that and I'm pretty sure everyone else knew that to, so maybe we can stop arguing semantics and actually talk about the topic at hand?
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Geilinor wrote:
Lyras wrote:Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it. In this case, the taxpayer.

Which, one way or another, is everyone. It isn't free, and we, collectively, ought to stop pretending that anything from the public purse is without cost.

Remember that taxpayers and future taxpayers will be benefiting from this.

Not necessarily. If all it does is slap college degrees on mediocre students, it only lessens the work force and puts more strain on taxpayers. If everybody gets a 2 year degree, people who really want to achieve need a 4 year degree and so the cycle continues.
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Postby Urran » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:59 pm

My state already has free college for those that make at least a 2.8 GPA. My 4.0 got all my expenses paid for any college in the state.
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The Dominion Of The Corn wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Remember that taxpayers and future taxpayers will be benefiting from this.

Not necessarily. If all it does is slap college degrees on mediocre students, it only lessens the work force and puts more strain on taxpayers. If everybody gets a 2 year degree, people who really want to achieve need a 4 year degree and so the cycle continues.

The best students generally don't start at community colleges in the first place.
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Postby Zunkwentania » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:00 pm

This is extremely surprising, and it's a step in the right direction. Obama seems to be realizing that bending over to the right's demands is making him extremely unpopular, and this seems like one way he's trying to fix that. I don't think it could get through Congress, though, unless most of the Republicans elected in were really moderates distancing themselves from Obama, which is unlikely.

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