Toddler Shoots and Kills Mother

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

so not stupid, her toddler didn't mean it, so looks like guns do kill people.

Literally lol'ing at work.

You are unironically insinuating that an inanimate object acted of its own accord with malicious intent.

[Big Jim P]

I really hope our nuclear scientists aren't stupid, or we are more doomed than even I thought.

Also, instead of murderous item, deadly item.

Just because you're educated that doesn't make you less of an idiot.

Just look at Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan.

Or President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

[New Tsavon]

Just because you're educated that doesn't make you less of an idiot.

Just look at Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan.

Or President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Anyone in politics, really.

[Glamour]

so not stupid, her toddler didn't mean it, so looks like guns do kill people.

Literally lol'ing at work.

You are unironically insinuating that an inanimate object acted of its own accord with malicious intent.

So it was the mother's fault? Why? Because she carried a deadly weapon in her handbag without setting it onto "not deadly" I.e. unusable status. It only exists to kill and maim. It's an object designed with malicious intent. So she got killed by it, nobody should be shocked, this happens all the time now.

I'm glad I made you literally laugh out loud at work. Tbh I don't find this very funny.

[Big Jim P]

Literally lol'ing at work.

You are unironically insinuating that an inanimate object acted of its own accord with malicious intent.

So it was the mother's fault? Why? Because she carried a deadly weapon in her handbag without setting it onto "not deadly" I.e. unusable status. It only exists to kill and maim. It's an object designed with malicious intent. So she got killed by it, nobody should be shocked, this happens all the time now.

I'm glad I made you literally laugh out loud at work. Tbh I don't find this very funny.

591 accidental deaths in 2011 is hardly "all the time".

Edit: Oh, and only 8583 homicides in 2011. Still hardly "all the time".

[Glamour]

So it was the mother's fault? Why? Because she carried a deadly weapon in her handbag without setting it onto "not deadly" I.e. unusable status. It only exists to kill and maim. It's an object designed with malicious intent. So she got killed by it, nobody should be shocked, this happens all the time now.

I'm glad I made you literally laugh out loud at work. Tbh I don't find this very funny.

591 accidental deaths in 2011 is hardly "all the time".

Could have been close to zero accidental deaths.

In fact, why don't you find out how many cases there were of vigilante heroes with guns in 2011. Probably a lot less than half a thousand.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Literally lol'ing at work.

You are unironically insinuating that an inanimate object acted of its own accord with malicious intent.

So it was the mother's fault? Why? Because she carried a deadly weapon in her handbag without setting it onto "not deadly" I.e. unusable status. It only exists to kill and maim. It's an object designed with malicious intent. So she got killed by it, nobody should be shocked, this happens all the time now.

You're right. Clearly the best option is to put all guns in jail. They're all malevolent psychopaths just waiting for an opportunity to kill innocent mothers.

[Big Jim P]

591 accidental deaths in 2011 is hardly "all the time".

Could have been close to zero accidental deaths.

In fact, why don't you find out how many cases there were of vigilante heroes with guns in 2011. Probably a lot less than half a thousand.

I have posted the estimates of DGUs (low and high) previously.

Edit: I am assuming that is what you meant by cases of vigilantism.

[Big Jim P]

So it was the mother's fault? Why? Because she carried a deadly weapon in her handbag without setting it onto "not deadly" I.e. unusable status. It only exists to kill and maim. It's an object designed with malicious intent. So she got killed by it, nobody should be shocked, this happens all the time now.

You're right. Clearly the best option is to put all guns in jail. They're all malevolent psychopaths just waiting for an opportunity to kill innocent mothers.

Does that mean mine were all defective?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You're right. Clearly the best option is to put all guns in jail. They're all malevolent psychopaths just waiting for an opportunity to kill innocent mothers.

Does that mean mine were all defective?

Yep. There's something fundamentally wrong with your responsibly handled firearms. And you.

You safe sicko.

[Big Jim P]

Does that mean mine were all defective?

Yep. There's something fundamentally wrong with your responsibly handled firearms. And you.

You safe sicko.

Damn, so I should be locked up as well as my guns. Shit.

[Glamour]

Wrong. There's something fundamentally deadly about the design of firearms though. Are you really going to deny that? Or is the toddler a malevolent psychopath? Come on.

And talk about maturity, you aren't even having a debate.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Wrong. There's something fundamentally deadly about the design of firearms though. Are you really going to deny that? Or is the toddler a malevolent psychopath? Come on.

And talk about maturity, you aren't even having a debate.

Guns do one thing. Propel a piece of lead from point A to point B. The gun never whispers in your ear to point it at living creatures. You can use it purely for sport. Target shooting is an excellent way to kill time. Wait. Shit. Guns can even kill time itself.

Guys I think he's onto something here.

[Imperializt Russia]

Wrong. There's something fundamentally deadly about the design of firearms though. Are you really going to deny that? Or is the toddler a malevolent psychopath? Come on.

And talk about maturity, you aren't even having a debate.

Lots of things are fundamentally deadly.

[Glamour]

Wrong. There's something fundamentally deadly about the design of firearms though. Are you really going to deny that? Or is the toddler a malevolent psychopath? Come on.

And talk about maturity, you aren't even having a debate.

Guns do one thing. Propel a piece of lead from point A to point B. The gun never whispers in your ear to point it at living creatures. You can use it purely for sport. Target shooting is an excellent way to kill time. Wait. Shit. Guns can even kill time itself.

Guys I think he's onto something here.

So is it the toddler's fault? Or the mother's fault? And if it's her fault, isn't that because the item is in its active state designed only to cause death? Otherwise, how would a toddler operate it?

[Glamour]

Wrong. There's something fundamentally deadly about the design of firearms though. Are you really going to deny that? Or is the toddler a malevolent psychopath? Come on.

And talk about maturity, you aren't even having a debate.

Lots of things are fundamentally deadly.

You can use anything as a weapon. You can only use a gun as a weapon. Therein lies the difference between a gun and most other items. It really isn't difficult.

[Imperializt Russia]

Lots of things are fundamentally deadly.

You can use anything as a weapon. You can only use a gun as a weapon. Therein lies the difference between a gun and most other items. It really isn't difficult.

Clearly it is, because you seem to believe the only use of a firearm is as a weapon.
One in a quarter million rifles and shotguns in the US are ever used to kill a person.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Guns do one thing. Propel a piece of lead from point A to point B. The gun never whispers in your ear to point it at living creatures. You can use it purely for sport. Target shooting is an excellent way to kill time. Wait. Shit. Guns can even kill time itself.

Guys I think he's onto something here.

So is it the toddler's fault? Or the mother's fault? And if it's her fault, isn't that because the item is in its active state designed only to cause death? Otherwise, how would a toddler operate it?

Why are you so obsessed with the idea that someone's "at fault" here? Are you that unwilling to accept that shit happens?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just because you're educated that doesn't make you less of an idiot.

Just look at Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan.

Or President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Eh. In degrees of "they're fucking imbeciles" Obama and Clinton are still in that "can be redeemed" level.

Palin and Ryan are really not.

[Glamour]

You can use anything as a weapon. You can only use a gun as a weapon. Therein lies the difference between a gun and most other items. It really isn't difficult.

Clearly it is, because you seem to believe the only use of a firearm is as a weapon.
One in a quarter million rifles and shotguns in the US are ever used to kill a person.

Whether you shoot it at a person or are kind enough to only shoot animals or targets, it's still a weapon. And only a weapon.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's a moronic (and, I assume, intentional) mischaracterization of the "true purpose" of gun control. It's like me saying that the true purpose of gun rights advocacy is to ensure that murderers have ready access to heavy firepower. The purpose of gun control is to cut down on gun violence with a eventual goal of eliminating it entirely. Whether or not this is practical or workable is open to fair and honest debate, but you're not going to get a debate that is either fair or honest when you spew bullshit like that.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/cramer-racist-roots.htm

"There were laws specifically targeting black people to keep them from owning firearms at one point. After the Civil War, they were unable to pass laws restricting firearms ownership based upon race, so the subsequent laws must have been targeting black people." The writer then goes on to cite somewhat silly post-war enforcement against a man of Mexican descent and the imposition of gun control laws in a logging area after a significant influx of black workers as evidence without providing context to either situation, insinuatingly mentions that the majority of concealed carry permits in California are given to white people without getting into the race of the majority of applicants, and connects it to a wider agenda without providing much (if anything) in the way of sources to support that contention.

I mean, I could copy/paste the article and take on each line as a master class in fallacious reasoning, but I think that I've made my point.

[Glamour]

So is it the toddler's fault? Or the mother's fault? And if it's her fault, isn't that because the item is in its active state designed only to cause death? Otherwise, how would a toddler operate it?

Why are you so obsessed with the idea that someone's "at fault" here? Are you that unwilling to accept that shit happens?

Are you unwilling to accept that more shit happens when guns are involved?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Why are you so obsessed with the idea that someone's "at fault" here? Are you that unwilling to accept that shit happens?

Are you unwilling to accept that more shit happens when guns are involved?

Correlation =/= Causation

[Imperializt Russia]

Clearly it is, because you seem to believe the only use of a firearm is as a weapon.
One in a quarter million rifles and shotguns in the US are ever used to kill a person.

Whether you shoot it at a person or are kind enough to only shoot animals or targets, it's still a weapon. And only a weapon.

If you're using the dictionary definition of "weapon", sure, because "weapon" is an impossibly broad term that has to cover everything from the icepick to the atom bomb.

Which makes it impossible to use for meaningful debate.

[Glamour]

Are you unwilling to accept that more shit happens when guns are involved?

Correlation =/= Causation

So guns don't cause death? Again, what else are they designed for?