New Greek elections

[Fortschritte]

Fuck, again? I was really hoping that this wouldn't happen to Greece. Anyways, I'll reluctantly throw my support behind DIMAR. While I'm centre right, I can't say I'm a fan of New Democracy, so if I was Greek, I'd vote for the centre left. Furthermore, I sincerely hope that Syriza stays out of power. It's a populistic, far left party that would be disastrous for Greece.

[Olerand]

Fuck, again? I was really hoping that this wouldn't happen to Greece. Anyways, I'll reluctantly throw my support behind DIMAR. While I'm centre right, I can't say I'm a fan of New Democracy, so if I was Greek, I'd vote for the centre left. Furthermore, I sincerely hope that Syriza stays out of power. It's a populistic, far left party that would be disastrous for Greece.

Everything, in their current position, is disastrous for Greece.

[Fortschritte]

Fuck, again? I was really hoping that this wouldn't happen to Greece. Anyways, I'll reluctantly throw my support behind DIMAR. While I'm centre right, I can't say I'm a fan of New Democracy, so if I was Greek, I'd vote for the centre left. Furthermore, I sincerely hope that Syriza stays out of power. It's a populistic, far left party that would be disastrous for Greece.

Everything, in their current position, is disastrous for Greece.

Every political party? While I'd argue that there aren't really any "good" Greek political parties, there are some that are better than extremist parties like Golden Dawn and Syriza.

[Fortschritte]

I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.

Extreme Austerity simply doesn't work in times of recession. It generally causes wages to fall, which in turn, lowers tax revenue the government receives. Greece has had extreme austerity for multiple years, and look at where they are.

[Olerand]

Everything, in their current position, is disastrous for Greece.

Every political party? While I'd argue that there aren't really any "good" Greek political parties, there are some that are better than extremist parties like Golden Dawn and Syriza.

Everything.

Electing a party that at least aims for a restructuring of the debt is better than electing ND again, anyway. Greece will never be able to pay its 175% of GDP debt; especially not in the current conditions, where GDP is in free fall and the debt isn't decreasing.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Every political party? While I'd argue that there aren't really any "good" Greek political parties, there are some that are better than extremist parties like Golden Dawn and Syriza.

Why people like appealing to the false logic that far-left is bad just because far-right is?

[MERIZoC]

Syriza's the best hope, given that they oppose the austerity measures, and aren't fucking crazy, like GD.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Every political party? While I'd argue that there aren't really any "good" Greek political parties, there are some that are better than extremist parties like Golden Dawn and Syriza.

Why people like appealing to the false logic that far-left is bad just because far-right is?

Because extremists on both sides are shit.

[Fortschritte]

Every political party? While I'd argue that there aren't really any "good" Greek political parties, there are some that are better than extremist parties like Golden Dawn and Syriza.

Everything.

Electing a party that at least aims for a restructuring of the debt is better than electing ND again, anyway. Greece will never be able to pay its 175% of GDP debt; especially not in the current conditions, where GDP is in free fall and the debt isn't decreasing.

And, how do you suppose that Syriza will restructure the debt? Given the fact that they strongly support increasing public spending by a hell of a lot. While I'm not for austerity, there is such a thing as going overboard in spending during a recession. Furthermore, their economic policies would severely curtail any growth. Financial markets are already flipping shit over the possibility of Syriza being elected.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Every political party? While I'd argue that there aren't really any "good" Greek political parties, there are some that are better than extremist parties like Golden Dawn and Syriza.

Why people like appealing to the false logic that far-left is bad just because far-right is?

Good question.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Why people like appealing to the false logic that far-left is bad just because far-right is?

Because extremists on both sides are shit.

Nope! We, to the most part, actually don't love false heroes, support oppressive social constructs and engage in sectarian myth worshiping.

"Extremism" is a buzzword.

[Fortschritte]

Every political party? While I'd argue that there aren't really any "good" Greek political parties, there are some that are better than extremist parties like Golden Dawn and Syriza.

Why people like appealing to the false logic that far-left is bad just because far-right is?

It's not false logic. I don't like the far left, because I strongly dislike the policies that the far left espouses. In the same sense, I strongly dislike the policies that the far right espouses. And, after reviewing the platforms of both Syriza and Golden Dawn, I've figured out that both are horrible choices. Although, Golden Dawn is a lot more horrible, I'll grant you that.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Although, Golden Dawn is a lot more horrible, I'll grant you that.

Thank you. You are too much of an agreeable person to put average anti-capitalist socialism on the same level of *gasp* fascist thugs.

[Olerand]

Everything.

Electing a party that at least aims for a restructuring of the debt is better than electing ND again, anyway. Greece will never be able to pay its 175% of GDP debt; especially not in the current conditions, where GDP is in free fall and the debt isn't decreasing.

And, how do you suppose that Syriza will restructure the debt? Given the fact that they strongly support increasing public spending by a hell of a lot. While I'm not for austerity, there is such a thing as going overboard in spending during a recession. Furthermore, their economic policies would severely curtail any growth. Financial markets are already flipping shit over the possibility of Syriza being elected.

By re-initiating the talks with the Troika. I doubt they will succeed, but they will try.
Their economic policies are not compatible with membership in the Eurozone and EU, as are all left-wing economics.

And, finally, democracy hasn't, yet, allowed itself to be sacrificed on the altar of the Market(Praise and Glory be upon It), has it?
I don't believe electors are supposed to vote to please this Market(PGI), are they?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why people like appealing to the false logic that far-left is bad just because far-right is?

It's not false logic. I don't like the far left, because I strongly dislike the policies that the far left espouses. In the same sense, I strongly dislike the policies that the far right espouses. And, after reviewing the platforms of both Syriza and Golden Dawn, I've figured out that both are horrible choices. Although, Golden Dawn is a lot more horrible, I'll grant you that.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts, I don't like either extreme side of the political spectrum.

[MERIZoC]

Why people like appealing to the false logic that far-left is bad just because far-right is?

Because extremists on both sides are shit.

It's hardly fair to call Syriza "extremists", and it certainly isn't fair to compare them to a party that openly admits their racism. Syriza is a libertarian party, who, aside from the Maoists (who number few) is composed of people with respectable positions, even if you disagree with them. Hardly extremists.

[MERIZoC]

Although, Golden Dawn is a lot more horrible, I'll grant you that.

Thank you. You are too much of an agreeable person to put average anti-capitalist socialism on the same level of *gasp* fascist thugs.

Unlike some *cough cough* others.

[Fortschritte]

And, how do you suppose that Syriza will restructure the debt? Given the fact that they strongly support increasing public spending by a hell of a lot. While I'm not for austerity, there is such a thing as going overboard in spending during a recession. Furthermore, their economic policies would severely curtail any growth. Financial markets are already flipping shit over the possibility of Syriza being elected.

By re-initiating the talks with the Troika. I doubt they will succeed, but they will try.
Their economic policies are not compatible with membership in the Eurozone and EU, as are all left-wing economics.

And, finally, democracy hasn't, yet, allowed itself to be sacrificed on the alter of the Market(Praise and Glory be upon It), has it?
I don't believe electors are supposed to vote to please this Market(PGI), are they?

Well, given the fact that Alexis Tspiras claimed that leaving the EU was no longer high on his agenda, we'll see how those left wing economics work while Greece is in the EU.

Furthermore, I should've reworded my post. Financial markets are going mad because they know that Syriza will be bad for markets. I do value democracy over markets, as do most sane people, but I still highly value the importance of a vibrant market.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because extremists on both sides are shit.

It's hardly fair to call Syriza "extremists", and it certainly isn't fair to compare them to a party that openly admits their racism. Syriza is a libertarian party, who, aside from the Maoists (who number few) is composed of people with respectable positions, even if you disagree with them. Hardly extremists.

Baltenstein said radical left, radical means extremist and Baltenstein would never lie to me

Syriza doesn't seem like a terrible choice, they don't overly bad at all compared to the usual shit Greek politics has to put up with. I'd certainly take them over GD (unless they merged with the commies, in which case Red Dawn or bust).

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Well, given the fact that Alexis Tspiras claimed that leaving the EU was no longer high on his agenda, we'll see how those left wing economics work while Greece is in the EU.

Furthermore, I should've reworded my post. Financial markets are going mad because they know that Syriza will be bad for markets. I do value democracy over markets, as do most sane people, but I still highly value the importance of a vibrant market.

Maybe Greece isn't ready for West-level neoliberalism and that's partially why it failed so badly in the first place, one wonders.

[Olerand]

Well, given the fact that Alexis Tspiras claimed that leaving the EU was no longer high on his agenda, we'll see how those left wing economics work while Greece is in the EU.

Furthermore, I should've reworded my post. Financial markets are going mad because they know that Syriza will be bad for markets. I do value democracy over markets, as do most sane people, but I still highly value the importance of a vibrant market.

They won't. He can't apply them, and I'm fairly sure he knows that too.

There is the very dominant view today, especially in the Anglo-Saxon world, that democracy must not anger the Market(PGI).
The Market has subverted God, and it no longer serves us, we serve it. Everything from the election of Hollande, to Syriza, to anyone the Market(PGI) doesn't 100% approve of becomes, ipso facto, the end of the universe and that nation's viability as a State to essentially all Anglo-Saxon media and political commentators.

Wait for the commenting to start on the elections and you shall see.

[Fortschritte]

Well, given the fact that Alexis Tspiras claimed that leaving the EU was no longer high on his agenda, we'll see how those left wing economics work while Greece is in the EU.

Furthermore, I should've reworded my post. Financial markets are going mad because they know that Syriza will be bad for markets. I do value democracy over markets, as do most sane people, but I still highly value the importance of a vibrant market.

Maybe Greece isn't ready for West-level neoliberalism and that's partially why it failed so badly in the first place, one wonders.

West-level neoliberalism didn't fail Greece. Austerity hasn't been working, sure, but the cause of Greece's horrible situation wasn't neoliberalism. Rather, Greece, like many other Southern European countries, had a spending problem upon joining the Eurozone. They began spending loads of money on new social services, and while it was peachy at first, nobody payed attention to the fact that the reason they were able to keep spending is because they were able to keep borrowing, since they were in a shared monetary union.

Unfortunately for Greece, they couldn't keep borrowing to maintain their massive spending problem, and they became stuck with a huge fucking debt that stifled any economic growth. The same happened in Spain, Portugal, and Italy.

It's a long video, but it does highlight Greece's problems rather well, and I'd encourage you to watch it,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xAXJx9WJ8

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Well, given the fact that Alexis Tspiras claimed that leaving the EU was no longer high on his agenda, we'll see how those left wing economics work while Greece is in the EU.

Furthermore, I should've reworded my post. Financial markets are going mad because they know that Syriza will be bad for markets. I do value democracy over markets, as do most sane people, but I still highly value the importance of a vibrant market.

They won't. He can't apply them, and I'm fairly sure he knows that too.

There is the very dominant view today, especially in the Anglo-Saxon world, that democracy must not anger the Market(PGI).
The Market has subverted God, and it no longer serves us, we serve it. Everything from the election of Hollande, to Syriza, to anyone the Market(PGI) doesn't 100% approve of becomes, ipso facto, the end of the universe and that nation's viability as a State to essentially all Anglo-Saxon media and political commentators.

Wait for the commenting to start on the elections and you shall see.

For a centrist who supports a fucked up party you are pretty dope.

[Greater-London]

None of them appeal to me however I hope Syriza wins the election; The Greeks have had suffered enough under austerity and lest be honest the economic situation in Greece has shown no real improvement over the last 6 years.

They have no chance of negotiating stimulas on a European level as the European Union is set on austerity. Hopefully this will lead to the Greeks rejecting the Euro and the EU all together and start bringing the house down.

It will be hard for all of us (especially the Greeks) but I do take the Leninist view on this argument - the worse it gets the better it gets.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

Nea Dimokratia seems to be the only reasonable one. The rest is insane.