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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:32 am

Katganistan wrote:Ugh. The whole idea of it seems ugly to me.


Would it be different if the prostitute was the tourist? If they took a 'working holiday' in some jurisdiction where it is legal, earned some money, and took it back home without breaking laws either side of the border?
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Postby Shilya » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:01 am

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United facist States of America wrote:Actually in Sweden it is legal to be a prostitute but illegal to have sex with one.


I'm glad you pointed that out. It doesn't make much sense to me (like prosecuting those who buy drugs but not those who sell them) but it's a social experiment which can inform the policy of other nations.

It's supposed to fight prostitution and the problems creeping from it without punishing the women who are in bad enough problems to have to resort to it. Making prostitution effectively illegal without making the women offering it blackmailable as a side effect, I guess.

As for how much of the above statement makes sense, I'll leave that judgment to you. I hear France considered (or is doing) the same thing.
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Postby Hyfling » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:12 am

I'm fine with it, as long as all parties involved are consenting and not underage.

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Postby St Marcila » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:24 am

I'm fine with it, I mean if you want to come a fuck and in turn stimulate our economy to a degree in fine with that.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:57 am

No scandinavian female rights activist wouldn't believe me, but there are actual girls who can do normal, decent, even well-payed job in well-developed society, but they screw guys for money regardless, simply because it's more money for them and they love to be screwed - you can notice it especially if girl has just ten or twelve stable clients, older or mutated on particular part of body :lol:

I guess they are, in fact, controlled by religious false morality. That's just sad when state plays medieval inquisition.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:56 am

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The Grey Wolf wrote:As long as they aren't having sex with children, I see no reason it should be illegal.

What exactly are children? Ages of consent vary from country to country.

Adolescent prostitution is just as abusive and messed up.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:57 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:world map, red is bad (as usually :p ), blue means it's actually banned, but they don't dare to say it and green means legal and regulated by laws

Scandinavians have total ban, because by their opinion, prostitution is always total exploitation of women (like no man can be prostitute too or wut), so no hot blonde Swedish 'workers', sry :p

No, prostitution isn't banned in Brazil, it just isn't a recognized profession.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:00 am

Katganistan wrote:Ugh. The whole idea of it seems ugly to me.

Won't disagree. Specially if they do it in countries where it is poorly regulated, exploitative, full of children in the business, and overall much, much poorer. Or when it is because of bizarre objectifying fetish.
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Postby The Roswell Islands » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:03 am

The Roswell Islands is fine with legal prostitution; in fact the Secretary of State for Commerce, Industry and Trade is currently drafting legislation (similar to one passed in Genovia-Karlsruhe). Legalisation provides security, regulation and taxation.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:06 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Ugh. The whole idea of it seems ugly to me.

Would it be different if the prostitute was the tourist? If they took a 'working holiday' in some jurisdiction where it is legal, earned some money, and took it back home without breaking laws either side of the border?

If it meant a different power relationship?

Danish man x Argentine woman (worker) =/= Danish woman (worker) x Argentine man

Then again, foreigners might suffer discrimination, and be at greater risk to a lot of stuff.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:14 am

The Roswell Islands wrote:The Roswell Islands is fine with legal prostitution; in fact the Secretary of State for Commerce, Industry and Trade is currently drafting legislation (similar to one passed in Genovia-Karlsruhe). Legalisation provides security, regulation and taxation.

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:23 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:world map, red is bad (as usually :p ), blue means it's actually banned, but they don't dare to say it and green means legal and regulated by laws

Scandinavians have total ban, because by their opinion, prostitution is always total exploitation of women (like no man can be prostitute too or wut), so no hot blonde Swedish 'workers', sry :p

No, prostitution isn't banned in Brazil, it just isn't a recognized profession.


"Prostitution itself (exchanging sex for money) in Brazil is legal, as there are no laws forbidding adult prostitution, but it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way."

So it's de facto banned.

De facto recognized profession too - according to Brazil’s Labor and Employment Ministry Primer on Sex Professional...

The job of a prostitute is called "Professional of sex" and is described as follows: "They [the prostitutes] work on their own initiative, in the street, in bars, night-clubs, hotels, harbor, highways and in garimpos (gold prospecting places). They act in different environments: open air, closed places and inside vehicles, in irregular schedules. In the exercise of some of their activities they can be exposed to vehicles gases, to bad weather, to sound pollution and to social discrimination. There are still risks of getting STD infections, bad-treatment, street violence and death."
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:27 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:So it's de facto banned.

Prostitution itself (exchanging sex for money) in Brazil is legal, as there are no laws forbidding adult prostitution, but it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way.

Nonsensical. Pimping is banned, not prostitution. :palm:
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Postby Britannic Realms » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:30 am

As long as it's properly regulated, there's no problem.
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Postby Fortschritte » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:34 am

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Scomagia wrote:As do Libertarians and basically any group of people that celebrates Individual Liberty.

I am libertarian against this kind of filth.


You're the furthest thing from a libertarian, we've told you this countless times.

Anyways, I'm fine with it, so long as it's regulated and consensual. It'd also probably hurt "pimps" if it was legal.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:38 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:So it's de facto banned.

Prostitution itself (exchanging sex for money) in Brazil is legal, as there are no laws forbidding adult prostitution, but it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way.

Nonsensical. Pimping is banned, not prostitution. :palm:


*sigh* In practice, when any state didn't officially approved prostitution, it's de facto banned even without proper laws. Canadian cops dressed like cheap hookers tyrannize people simply because religious nuts demands it :roll: trick is to not ban prostitution itself, but some detail, pimpin', brothels, financial exchange etc.

It's same in my country. Because of such 'detail', cops are allowed to raid any place they personally consider as 'brothel', anytime they want, without anyone's approval, to check if there isn't some illegal traffic. :roll:
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Postby Siburria » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:38 am

-The Trade Federation- wrote:Well, you all know my answer.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:41 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:*sigh* In practice, when any state didn't officially approved prostitution, it's de facto banned even without proper laws. Canadian cops dressed like cheap hookers tyrannize people simply because religious nuts demands it :roll: trick is to not ban prostitution itself, but some detail, pimpin', brothels, financial exchange etc.

It's same in my country. Because of such 'detail', cops are allowed to raid any place they personally consider as 'brothel', anytime they want, without anyone's approval, to check if there isn't some illegal traffic. :roll:

Except nobody is prosecuted for selling sexual services at all, so this means nothing?

Prostitution =/= organized prostitution
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:48 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:*sigh* In practice, when any state didn't officially approved prostitution, it's de facto banned even without proper laws. Canadian cops dressed like cheap hookers tyrannize people simply because religious nuts demands it :roll: trick is to not ban prostitution itself, but some detail, pimpin', brothels, financial exchange etc.

It's same in my country. Because of such 'detail', cops are allowed to raid any place they personally consider as 'brothel', anytime they want, without anyone's approval, to check if there isn't some illegal traffic. :roll:

Except nobody is prosecuted for selling sexual services at all, so this means nothing?

Prostitution =/= organized prostitution


On the contrary, it's worse. Workers are pushed to be on streets, where can be more easily exploited or even killed, since 'brothels' are banned, which just further supports organized crime and sex slavery.

So Brazilian state sabotaged itself :lol:

I was never in Brazil, but trust me, when state don't ban 'prostitution' but ban 'brothels', 'pimping' etc. it means: 'prostitution is bad, but we don't dare to say it loudly, so hopefully religious nuts will be happy and police can raid your places to prove fight against crime' 8)
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Postby Ashyaria » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:05 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:It is immoral.

By your morals, maybe.

I say make it legal. It's good for the economy.
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Postby United facist States of America » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:06 pm

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Ailiailia wrote:
I'm glad you pointed that out. It doesn't make much sense to me (like prosecuting those who buy drugs but not those who sell them) but it's a social experiment which can inform the policy of other nations.

It may be legal to be a prostitute in Sweden, but if you're an immigrant they'll deport you for it.

Acutally in Sweden you will only be arrested not deported unlike in Norway.
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Postby The Wolven League » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:08 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Agreed. If the people involved in it are fine with it, then I'm fine with it. Legalizing prostitution helps keep prostitutes safe, as well as dignifying their job. The fact that money is involved doesn't matter.

Typical social democrat response.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:18 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:What exactly are children? Ages of consent vary from country to country.

Adolescent prostitution is just as abusive and messed up.


I sometimes forget adolescents are not considered children, but I meant as long as the sex workers are adults, I see no problem with it.

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Postby Red Zone 1 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:18 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:There's the Phillipines and Thailand.
And some people, generally men, travel to these places to get laid. What do you think of that?

Well, heard, there's lots of cheap 'services' there. Not a surprise.

Personally, I think if everyone involved consents to it (a hard thing to guarantee in a severely economically depressed country), I don't have a problem with it. What about you?

Neither condone or condemn this practice. It's their personal thing, what people wish to do with their monies and body is their own personal business right.

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Postby Keronians » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:17 pm

It's a victimless crime. It should be legalised.

Making it illegal isn't helping anyone. If the prostitutes are doing it voluntarily, then by definition, it's the best prospect they have. If not, they'd do something else.

If they're being forced, then that violates other laws. We don't need a specific law against pimping for it.
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