Legal sex tourism: how do you view it?

[Socialist Czechia]

Hm. Murderers...in dark mine with rapists...who will likely go mad and bisexual...nah, better to have them together

Throw in the people convicted of domestic violence and then it'll be a real party XP

See? Show more mercy to poor guys next time

[Schadow]

I never plan to have sex, so your second question is irrelevant.

... Miracles DO happen.

[MERIZoC]

Then why not just use it for that single purpose without the others?

It can also serve as a unifying tool.

It can. Yes, sex has many purposes. That doesn't mean that any instance of sex which doesn't include all of them is immoral.

[Cyrisnia]

You're joking?
Then why do other animals have sex? They don't have any system of marriage. Many even do it for pleasure rather than procreation.

Other animals are not bound by God's law. I am serious by the way.

How is it RELATED to SEX !?

What, according to you, you would procreate with your mate without any pleasure ?

Secular people often have the wrong idea about sex. I never plan to have sex, so your second question is irrelevant.

You're going to miss out on a lot, buddy.

[Kelinfort]

I never plan to have sex, so your second question is irrelevant.

Good luck with that, pal.

[-The Trade Federation-]

I never plan to have sex, so your second question is irrelevant.

Good luck with that, pal.

This.

And it's even harder to hold yourself from masturbating !

[The Orson Empire]

You cannot force your religious views on other people. I am a Christian myself, but I do not try to force my beliefs on others. This is a secular country.

I find it hilarious when fundamentalists complain about perceived persecution, yet continue to set about establishing a theocracy in America.

It pisses me the fuck off, because it makes the rest of us reasonable Christians look bad.

You cannot force your religious views on other people. I am a Christian myself, but I do not try to force my beliefs on others. This is a secular country.

Nice to see some christian who can get that someone has no moral problem with strippers or hookers.

Indeed.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Good luck with that, pal.

This.

And it's even harder to hold yourself from masturbating !

He could always amputate his thumbs and forefingers. That would aide him in his cause.

[Baxterum]

Then why not just use it for that single purpose without the others?

It can also serve as a unifying tool.

What happened to sex is only for a husband and wife to procreate?

[Greater Weselton]

It can also serve as a unifying tool.

What happened to sex is only for a husband and wife to procreate?

That is not the only purpose of sex.

[Ethel mermania]

It goes against human sexual dignity.

And what is human "sexual dignity"?

Keeping your socks on

[Schadow]

In any case, and back on topic - so long as people are consenting adults - and with that, capable of consenting - I see less a problem. It's better where it is legal, and perhaps monitored I think, given there's likely more protection (one hopes) for those involved in the business. I think legalization would help a lot of the people involved, where they'd have more of an avenue for help if things went badly. The abuse, the forced prostitution, and other negative bits could more easily be stopped. And those who want to use their bodies to earn money could, rather than people who are desperate and are limited in choices being forced to.

Those who go to places where children are used? Despicable. That should never happen. Ever. And anyone taking advantage of it ought to have something unpleasant happen to them on account. Through legal avenues if possible.

[-The Trade Federation-]

This.

And it's even harder to hold yourself from masturbating !

He could always amputate his thumbs and forefingers. That would aide him in his cause.

Good luck doing everything else, then.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Anything that let's me pick up trans Thai prostitutes without getting arrested or having to feel bad is cool with me.

In other words: Legalize, regulate, mildly tax, set up health guidelines, establish agenda es to monitor and combat sex slavery and human trafficking.

[The Nuclear Fist]

He could always amputate his thumbs and forefingers. That would aide him in his cause.

Good luck doing everything else, then.

A small price to pay, though he could also become a eunuch. It would have much the same effect.

[Sebastianbourg]

I've got nothing against it.

[Arkiasis]

Most the time those nations with a lot of sex tourism (ie. southeast Asia) are operated by gangs and other criminal organizations, and the girls there are commonly abducted and assaulted into the sex industry, and even if they are above 18, they most likely started "working" far earlier. However, sex tourism is say the Netherlands is alright since they have laws and regulations to prevent such abuse and criminal involvement.

[The Grey Wolf]

How is it RELATED to SEX !?

What, according to you, you would procreate with your mate without any pleasure ?

Secular people often have the wrong idea about sex. I never plan to have sex, so your second question is irrelevant.

I'm curious as to why you think the rest of us give a fuck.

[Eleanor Ritas]

So....if you rape a girl already engaged, you're executed. If you rape a girl not engaged, you marry her.

No wonder Jewish moms want their daughters to get married...

Eh...

As a Lutheran, I have a zero tolerance for rape. I personally believe that rape should be punished by execution.

I dont generally try to use the Bible in a religious argument though, because being as old as it is, what's written in it can be understood in many different ways. So using the Bible just creates an argument. I just felt that he shouldn't post just the part that can be taken in a really bad way. If you're going to quote something, dont just quote the negative part.

Right, take them both in context.

And what they say in context together is that if you rape an unengaged girl you marry her, if you rape an engaged girl they kill you. That's what it says.

In no way does one offset the other. It still basically says that the character and punishment of rape depends on whether the girl is already engaged to another man.

You don't see what that says?

[The Grey Wolf]

As long as they aren't having sex with children, I see no reason it should be illegal.

[Howslandia]

In any case, and back on topic - so long as people are consenting adults - and with that, capable of consenting - I see less a problem. It's better where it is legal, and perhaps monitored I think, given there's likely more protection (one hopes) for those involved in the business. I think legalization would help a lot of the people involved, where they'd have more of an avenue for help if things went badly. The abuse, the forced prostitution, and other negative bits could more easily be stopped. And those who want to use their bodies to earn money could, rather than people who are desperate and are limited in choices being forced to.

Those who go to places where children are used? Despicable. That should never happen. Ever. And anyone taking advantage of it ought to have something unpleasant happen to them on account. Through legal avenues if possible.

I'll call up my old firing squad buddies! XD

[Galloism]

On topic, one must consider the very real political and socioeconomic climate of the country they are going to. For instance, just because the practice is legal doesn't necessarily mean it's being practiced in such a way that is ethically permissible.

IE, if the girls or boys providing the service are held in slavery or slave-like conditions, and have no reasonable escape from their circumstance, your supporting of the arrangement is ethically untenable. I don't just mean literal slavery either - things like indentured servitude or they have to work because their employer will call some huge debt they can't pay is all very much a serious form of coercion that would render your decision to give your patronage a supporter of such things.

I'm not saying sex tourism is bad. I'm saying know your surroundings. Not all places are places you want to be supporting.

[Eleanor Ritas]

On topic, one must consider the very real political and socioeconomic climate of the country they are going to. For instance, just because the practice is legal doesn't necessarily mean it's being practiced in such a way that is ethically permissible.

IE, if the girls or boys providing the service are held in slavery or slave-like conditions, and have no reasonable escape from their circumstance, your supporting of the arrangement is ethically untenable. I don't just mean literal slavery either - things like indentured servitude or they have to work because their employer will call some huge debt they can't pay is all very much a serious form of coercion that would render your decision to give your patronage a supporter of such things.

I'm not saying sex tourism is bad. I'm saying know your surroundings. Not all places are places you want to be supporting.

This makes a good point. In some places, the women are trafficked there, have no means to get home, etc.

By contrast, in the major brothels in Baja Norte, the girls come and go as they please and many of them have their own apartments in the city. Some are supporting many siblings back in Oaxaca or whatever, but they compete for the chance to work at the major brothels, they make enough to make substantial benefit to their lives and their families back home, and if they don't like it, they can leave.

I think that's a big difference: do the sex workers retain the right to just quit and go home, and are the paid enough to seriously be able to exercise that option if they need to.

[Socialist Czechia]

Let's see, I actually studied this topic a little during years on faculty of social studies...I was interested about cultural and legal differences worldwide.

It's strange, how democratic countries have very often similar zero-policy about prostitution same as hard-as-Kim totalitarian regimes.

For example Canada surprised me, how their laws and legal authorities are harsh. I would expect more liberal policy, not policy similar to People's Republic of China.

[Sebastianbourg]

As long as they aren't having sex with children, I see no reason it should be illegal.

What exactly are children? Ages of consent vary from country to country.