Prayer Thread Debate

[Nadkor]

WAH WAH WAH I WANT TO POST MY BELIEFS ABOUT RELIGION WHENEVER AND WHEREVER I WANT BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO BE ABLE TO POST THEIRS IN RESPONSE OR, GOD FORBID, CHALLENGE MINE IN ANY WAY.

Good going, KMA.

[Ashmoria]

really, if you dont want debate you should be on a religious forum where they will remove all the pootinky atheists.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

You know. It is funny to me how the Atheists are always saying how we Religious types are always trying to convert people. Tell me. What are you doing when you go into every religion oriented thread and start spouting your beliefs? You are attempting to convert others to Atheism.

I have tied to only ever present what I believe to be true and invite you to accept or reject it. I have never, in my best recollection, tried to convert anyone.

You Atheists OTOH seem HELL BENT on shoving your beliefs down the throat of anyone, regardless of whether they care to listen.

this is a debate forum.

it is quite appropriate for people of all stripes to be in any thread on religion (and any other topic) and to press their position on the subject.

Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

[Maurepas]

You know. It is funny to me how the Atheists are always saying how we Religious types are always trying to convert people. Tell me. What are you doing when you go into every religion oriented thread and start spouting your beliefs? You are attempting to convert others to Atheism.

I have tied to only ever present what I believe to be true and invite you to accept or reject it. I have never, in my best recollection, tried to convert anyone.

You Atheists OTOH seem HELL BENT on shoving your beliefs down the throat of anyone, regardless of whether they care to listen.

this is a debate forum.

it is quite appropriate for people of all stripes to be in any thread on religion (and any other topic) and to press their position on the subject.

Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

See, thats what Im talking about, saying that you are the only one that "has a clue" and then bitching when someone corrects that bogus assumption, is quite hypocritical, and loses you any credibility on the "Im a victim" front...

[Barringtonia]

this is a debate forum.

it is quite appropriate for people of all stripes to be in any thread on religion (and any other topic) and to press their position on the subject.

Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Go for it...

[Ashmoria]

You know. It is funny to me how the Atheists are always saying how we Religious types are always trying to convert people. Tell me. What are you doing when you go into every religion oriented thread and start spouting your beliefs? You are attempting to convert others to Atheism.

I have tied to only ever present what I believe to be true and invite you to accept or reject it. I have never, in my best recollection, tried to convert anyone.

You Atheists OTOH seem HELL BENT on shoving your beliefs down the throat of anyone, regardless of whether they care to listen.

this is a debate forum.

it is quite appropriate for people of all stripes to be in any thread on religion (and any other topic) and to press their position on the subject.

Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

go right ahead.

or maybe you should go with the classic "if you cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen"

[Hydesland]

So next time I start a thread calling on everyone to support full government welfare systems to help "those less fortunate" I can start another thread and demand that anyone who disagrees with the welfare state posts in there instead of challenging my premise?

Cool.

A prayer is not an argument, it doesn't contain premises, logical forms and hypothesis. The intent isn't to discuss. Is threads like this, suitable in general? Possibly not (which means it's an issue for the mods), does that justify thread jacking? I'm not seeing it, especially not to the ridiculous pedantry and baiting that was being done in both prayer threads.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

You know. It is funny to me how the Atheists are always saying how we Religious types are always trying to convert people. Tell me. What are you doing when you go into every religion oriented thread and start spouting your beliefs? You are attempting to convert others to Atheism.

I have tied to only ever present what I believe to be true and invite you to accept or reject it. I have never, in my best recollection, tried to convert anyone.

You Atheists OTOH seem HELL BENT on shoving your beliefs down the throat of anyone, regardless of whether they care to listen.

this is a debate forum.

it is quite appropriate for people of all stripes to be in any thread on religion (and any other topic) and to press their position on the subject.

Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

See, thats what Im talking about, saying that you are the only one that "has a clue" and then bitching when someone corrects that bogus assumption, is quite hypocritical, and loses you any credibility on the "Im a victim" front...

But you all knowing Athiests have a corner on the clue market?

[Maurepas]

So next time I start a thread calling on everyone to support full government welfare systems to help "those less fortunate" I can start another thread and demand that anyone who disagrees with the welfare state posts in there instead of challenging my premise?

Cool.

A prayer is not an argument, it doesn't contain premises, logical forms and hypothesis. The intent isn't to discuss. Is threads like this, suitable in general? Possibly not (which means it's an issue for the mods), does that justify thread jacking? I'm not seeing it, especially not to the ridiculous pedantry and baiting that was being done in both prayer threads.

If the intent isnt to discuss, why put it in a discussion forum? At some point personal sense comes in before the mods should intervene...

[KiloMikeAlpha]

WAH WAH WAH I WANT TO POST MY BELIEFS ABOUT RELIGION WHENEVER AND WHEREVER I WANT BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO BE ABLE TO POST THEIRS IN RESPONSE OR, GOD FORBID, CHALLENGE MINE IN ANY WAY.

Good going, KMA.

Point. Game. Set. Match. Have a nice day.

[New Kereptica]

But you all knowing Athiests have a corner on the clue market?

Point out the flaws in the scientific method. Show how your system of blind faith is better.

[Maurepas]

You know. It is funny to me how the Atheists are always saying how we Religious types are always trying to convert people. Tell me. What are you doing when you go into every religion oriented thread and start spouting your beliefs? You are attempting to convert others to Atheism.

I have tied to only ever present what I believe to be true and invite you to accept or reject it. I have never, in my best recollection, tried to convert anyone.

You Atheists OTOH seem HELL BENT on shoving your beliefs down the throat of anyone, regardless of whether they care to listen.

this is a debate forum.

it is quite appropriate for people of all stripes to be in any thread on religion (and any other topic) and to press their position on the subject.

Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

See, thats what Im talking about, saying that you are the only one that "has a clue" and then bitching when someone corrects that bogus assumption, is quite hypocritical, and loses you any credibility on the "Im a victim" front...

But you all knowing Athiests have a corner on the clue market?

I would never personally claim to have "more of a clue" than someone else, but, I would point out when there is no proof for such a "clue",

[Maurepas]

WAH WAH WAH I WANT TO POST MY BELIEFS ABOUT RELIGION WHENEVER AND WHEREVER I WANT BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO BE ABLE TO POST THEIRS IN RESPONSE OR, GOD FORBID, CHALLENGE MINE IN ANY WAY.

Good going, KMA.

Point. Game. Set. Match. Have a nice day.

I have to say, it was an apt description of the whole position of the OP and those threads in general, I agree,

[Tangomania]

YES TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM! NO TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND EXPRESSION IN THE NAME OF MUSLIM TERRORISM!
WE SHALL NEVER FORGET 911!

[New Kereptica]

YES TO RELIGOUS FREEDOM! NO TO RELIGOUS FREEDOM AND EXPRESSION IN THE NAME OF MUSLIM TERRORISM!
WE SHALL NEVER FORGET 911!

1066 Never Forget!

[Maurepas]

YES TO RELIGOUS FREEDOM! NO TO RELIGOUS FREEDOM AND EXPRESSION IN THE NAME OF MUSLIM TERRORISM!
WE SHALL NEVER FORGET 911!

COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT POST IN CAPS TO SOUND LOUDER IN ONE'S HEAD!

[The Black Forrest]

Care to take it here and leave the believers and their acts of kindness and faith alone?

im just wondering why a prayer thread isnt in forum 7.

its not debate eh?

That's actually an interesting question. I will pose it to the mods for you.....

[Hydesland]

If the intent isnt to discuss, why put it in a discussion forum? At some point personal sense comes in before the mods should intervene...

Again, that's an issue for the mods. Exactly the same applies to social threads with no discussion. If I came into a social thread, and in a hostile manner pedantically over-analysed a load of posts in that thread, implying for instance that they are sickening or that their beliefs are tyrannical, whilst completely missing the point of the thread and going completely off topic, everyone would think I'm the biggest cunt in the world. And rightly so.

[Lord-General Drache]

Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

You're doing the exact same thing you accuse the atheists of. You're saying (or implying) "I know the full and ultimate truth of life and death, you all are fools and crazy for ignoring it. Why can't you just see the light and truth?"

Also, Nadkor. Seriously. Whether you like a poster or not, don't start flaming and flamebaiting. I've seen you on the forums before and I've never seen you lose your cool like that (but maybe I've missed other instances). Take 5 minutes, relax, then come back before a mod wanders in and angry red text appears.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

But you all knowing Athiests have a corner on the clue market?

Point out the flaws in the scientific method. Show how your system of blind faith is better.

You see, you are claiming to have cornered the market on truth.

Now, I see your motive. You have seen mine. I will now take my leave for a season, and will yet return, when your clues have faded and mine have remained steadfast.

Good night.

[Bavin]

YES TO RELIGOUS FREEDOM! NO TO RELIGOUS FREEDOM AND EXPRESSION IN THE NAME OF MUSLIM TERRORISM!
WE SHALL NEVER FORGET 911!

This is your friendly neighborhood liberal reminding you to check your caps-lock!

As for that thread, this is a discussion forum, and debate heated argument is expected. Although, WWIIHG did ask that ya'll keep the thread clear of your Atheist wackiness. Either way, I think a tow to F7 is in order.

[Maurepas]

Care to take it here and leave the believers and their acts of kindness and faith alone?

im just wondering why a prayer thread isnt in forum 7.

its not debate eh?

That's actually an interesting question. I will pose it to the mods for you.....

I imagine that the hurt feelings of juxtaposing a "serious" prayer thread with "How would you kill the person above you?" prevents the measure from occurring...

[New Kereptica]

But you all knowing Athiests have a corner on the clue market?

Point out the flaws in the scientific method. Show how your system of blind faith is better.

You see, you are claiming to have cornered the market on truth.

Now, I see your motive. You have seen mine. I will now take my leave for a season, and will yet return, when your clues have faded and mine have remained steadfast.

Good night.

Oh? I didn't think I'd made a post claiming that.

Ah well. Bonne nuit.

[Maurepas]

But you all knowing Athiests have a corner on the clue market?

Point out the flaws in the scientific method. Show how your system of blind faith is better.

You see, you are claiming to have cornered the market on truth.

Now, I see your motive. You have seen mine. I will now take my leave for a season, and will yet return, when your clues have faded and mine have remained steadfast.

Good night.

No, merely wishing one to show something that is in fact, a fact, I dont think anyone would claim that they have cornered the market in the ability to show one, merely that one should exercise that ability...

[The United Good]

I've always wondered why Americans call chips french fries. I remember when I was younger traveling in the states and ordering chips with a burger and getting potato chips (or british crisps). Once I figured out you had to ask for Fries, I did, but I'd also ask for vinegar, which also confused them. I was also wondering why catsup is the way some Americans spell ketchup - and they pronounce it differently. Could someone please help me with this?