2 NYPD cops shot, general cop discussion

[Buse]

It seems the most progressive voters would cheer for the assasin as they think he experianced social unjustice.

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It seems the most progressive voters would cheer for the assasin as they think he experianced social unjustice.

That really deserves no response than "You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so please step aside while the adults talk."

[Fortschritte]

It seems the most progressive voters would cheer for the assasin as they think he experianced social unjustice.

Yeah, that's utter bullshit. No progressive has openly celebrated the death. You're just using this tragedy as an attempt to rally against a political ideology, which shows that you don't truly care for the victims. Disgusting.

[Fartsniffage]

It seems the most progressive voters would cheer for the assasin as they think he experianced social unjustice.

Given the level of inanity in that post, I'm actually impressed that you spelled most of the words correctly.....

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It seems the most progressive voters would cheer for the assasin as they think he experianced social unjustice.

Given the level of inanity in that post, I'm actually impressed that you spelled most of the words correctly.....

With librul tea unjustice for all.

[Wickedly evil people]

it's what happens when the chief law enforcement officers in the country are indiscriminate law breakers.


when leaders abdicate their role and advocate lawlessness in their every action what else can you expect.



revolution against the fascist liberals is the only answer, they must be marginalized and the constitution re-established as the law of the land.

[Ethel mermania]

What I dislike about this is that the police are somehow linking this crazy nut who killed his girlfriend in Baltimore to the current protests against police brutality. I certainly condemn this shooting, but I likewise condemn the shooting of unarmed blacks by police.

Just because you're critical of the system does not mean you respect authority: I respect the law, and those who enforce it. However, there are people who will use their powers for bad means, and a meaningful discussion and investigation into such abuses of power should be made, which is what most of the protestors are saying: Not indicting police officers for what are more or less blatant attempts are race-based murder will only add fuel to the fire.

The killer was at the union square protest Dec 1. So in fact a protestor is the one who assassinated the cops.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... ook-video/

[Greed and Death]

What I dislike about this is that the police are somehow linking this crazy nut who killed his girlfriend in Baltimore to the current protests against police brutality. I certainly condemn this shooting, but I likewise condemn the shooting of unarmed blacks by police.

Just because you're critical of the system does not mean you respect authority: I respect the law, and those who enforce it. However, there are people who will use their powers for bad means, and a meaningful discussion and investigation into such abuses of power should be made, which is what most of the protestors are saying: Not indicting police officers for what are more or less blatant attempts are race-based murder will only add fuel to the fire.

The killer was at the union square protest Dec 1. So in fact a protestor is the one who assassinated the cops.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... ook-video/

Time for a good old fashioned crackdown. Call in the pinkertons deputize them and lets bash some hippies.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

What I dislike about this is that the police are somehow linking this crazy nut who killed his girlfriend in Baltimore to the current protests against police brutality. I certainly condemn this shooting, but I likewise condemn the shooting of unarmed blacks by police.

Just because you're critical of the system does not mean you respect authority: I respect the law, and those who enforce it. However, there are people who will use their powers for bad means, and a meaningful discussion and investigation into such abuses of power should be made, which is what most of the protestors are saying: Not indicting police officers for what are more or less blatant attempts are race-based murder will only add fuel to the fire.

The killer was at the union square protest Dec 1. So in fact a protestor is the one who assassinated the cops.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... ook-video/

Right. Except that they're trying to make it seem as if in the absence of protests, the shooting would not have happened.

[Ethel mermania]

The killer was at the union square protest Dec 1. So in fact a protestor is the one who assassinated the cops.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... ook-video/

Right. Except that they're trying to make it seem as if in the absence of protests, the shooting would not have happened.

no one will ever know, but we do know it was a protester that shot the two cops down.
I do find diblasio's rhetoric inflammatory, and see NYPD's point in regards to what is being said.

That said folks have a right to peaceful protest. That said, i d0nt see either brown or garner as innocent actors who were targeted by the police for murder because they were black. And that is the sort of thing the protestors are saying. Both garner and brown were criminals, in the middle of conducting criminal activity. their actions toward the cops is the first step in what ultimately lead to their deaths.

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Right. Except that they're trying to make it seem as if in the absence of protests, the shooting would not have happened.

no one will ever know, but we do know it was a protester that shot the two cops down.
I do find diblasio's rhetoric inflammatory, and see NYPD's point in regards to what is being said.

That said folks have a right to peaceful protest. That said, i d0nt see either brown or garner as innocent actors who were targeted by the police for murder because they were black. And that is the sort of thing the protestors are saying. Both garner and brown were criminals, in the middle of conducting criminal activity. their actions toward the cops is the first step in what ultimately lead to their deaths.

What did the mayor say that you consider inflammatory?

[Islamic State of UKIP]

See that's the issue. You don't want accountability. One cop IS responsible for the actions of another. If one of my coworkers is doing something that endangers others it is my duty to talk to them about it, if that doesn't rectify it than I need to report them. Same with coworkers from other areas, if someone from HR sees me doing something that puts others in danger than they need to rectify it. It isn't their division but they still are responsible for the good of our company, similar as to how every cop is responsible for their unit. You are basically saying, "Well they don't work in New York it's not their issue" but it is. The actions of the NYPD get headlines which inflames tensions elsewhere. If the NYPD doesn't disipline it's members and it puts others at risk they should surely bitch at the NYPD and do all they can to force a solution. Police are all connected, believe it or not, one cop beating up one minority for no reason will cause unrest among these minorities EVERYWHERE. You need to realize that these police are only responsible for one area, but their actions effect a far greater area

You're the perfect archetype of what's wrong with this "new movement" (not saying everything is)

"Oh no! Holding public servants responsible for their duties is ebil!!!"


Yeah, no. You're what's wrong here. We'll see what you say when you get a job.

[Greed and Death]

The killer was at the union square protest Dec 1. So in fact a protestor is the one who assassinated the cops.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... ook-video/

Right. Except that they're trying to make it seem as if in the absence of protests, the shooting would not have happened.

When congresswoman Giffords was shot a lot of people initially thought the heightened rhetoric had triggered the shooting.

[Imperializt Russia]

Right. Except that they're trying to make it seem as if in the absence of protests, the shooting would not have happened.

When congresswoman Giffords was shot a lot of people initially thought the heightened rhetoric had triggered the shooting.

Wasn't there a furore over allegations the Republicans had used target designs to show what states they were hoping to seize from the Democrats?

[Ethel mermania]

no one will ever know, but we do know it was a protester that shot the two cops down.
I do find diblasio's rhetoric inflammatory, and see NYPD's point in regards to what is being said.

That said folks have a right to peaceful protest. That said, i d0nt see either brown or garner as innocent actors who were targeted by the police for murder because they were black. And that is the sort of thing the protestors are saying. Both garner and brown were criminals, in the middle of conducting criminal activity. their actions toward the cops is the first step in what ultimately lead to their deaths.

What did the mayor say that you consider inflammatory?

THe bit about having to talk to his "black" son about dealing with the police because the police treat black people poorly

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Right. Except that they're trying to make it seem as if in the absence of protests, the shooting would not have happened.

When congresswoman Giffords was shot a lot of people initially thought the heightened rhetoric had triggered the shooting.

Okay. What rhetoric set off this gentleman? "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!"? That's possible. It also has nothing to do with anything stated by the Mayor, the President, or the Attorney General, all of whom are being blamed for inspiring this action through inflammatory anti-cop rhetoric. I'd like to know exactly what. exactly, qualifies as inflammatory anti-cop rhetoric in the various statements that they've made regarding the recent series of events.

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What did the mayor say that you consider inflammatory?

THe bit about having to talk to his "black" son about dealing with the police because the police treat black people poorly

First off, you don't have to put "black" in quotation marks. If you're half-black in America, you're generally considered black unless you have VERY light skin and choose not to mention it. Second, that's not inflammatory. Here's the full quote:

This is profoundly personal to me. I was at the White House the other day, and the president of the United States turned to me, and he met Dante a few months ago, and he said that Dante reminded him of what he looked like as a teenager. And he said I know you see this crisis through a very personal lens. And I said to him, I did.

Because Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face. A good young man, law-abiding young man who would never think to do anything wrong. And yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face, we've had to literally train him—as families have all over this city for decades—in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.

And that painful sense of contradiction that our young people see first, that our police are here to protect us, and we honor that, and at the same time, there's a history we have to overcome, because for so many of our young people, there's a fear. And for so many of our families, there's a fear.

So I've had to worry over the years. Chirlane's had to worry. Is Dante safe each night? There are so many families in this city who feel that each and every night. Is my child safe? And not just from some of the painful realities—crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods—but is safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors.

That's the reality.

Note that he didn't call the police racist. He didn't bash the police. He didn't accuse them of anything. He simply observed that young black men often have to be especially careful in their dealings with police, since they tend to be the recipients of police contact in New York in numbers out of proportion to the actual population. This was true when stop-and-frisk was a common practice, and there's no indication that this has ceased to be the case. There is literally not a single thing in that entire statement that is false, that is accusatory, or that points a finger. Instead, it's an observation of the difficulties that black parents have due to a history of poor relationships between communities of color and the police department.

Essentially, the man is being pilloried and accused of inciting violence due to a simple observation that has been made by countless politicians, citizens, journalists, pundits, and others.

[Ethel mermania]

THe bit about having to talk to his "black" son about dealing with the police because the police treat black people poorly

First off, you don't have to put "black" in quotation marks. If you're half-black in America, you're generally considered black unless you have VERY light skin and choose not to mention it. Second, that's not inflammatory. Here's the full quote:

This is profoundly personal to me. I was at the White House the other day, and the president of the United States turned to me, and he met Dante a few months ago, and he said that Dante reminded him of what he looked like as a teenager. And he said I know you see this crisis through a very personal lens. And I said to him, I did.

Because Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face. A good young man, law-abiding young man who would never think to do anything wrong. And yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face, we've had to literally train him—as families have all over this city for decades—in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.

And that painful sense of contradiction that our young people see first, that our police are here to protect us, and we honor that, and at the same time, there's a history we have to overcome, because for so many of our young people, there's a fear. And for so many of our families, there's a fear.

So I've had to worry over the years. Chirlane's had to worry. Is Dante safe each night? There are so many families in this city who feel that each and every night. Is my child safe? And not just from some of the painful realities—crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods—but is safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors.

That's the reality.

Note that he didn't call the police racist. He didn't bash the police. He didn't accuse them of anything. He simply observed that young black men often have to be especially careful in their dealings with police, since they tend to be the recipients of police contact in New York in numbers out of proportion to the actual population. This was true when stop-and-frisk was a common practice, and there's no indication that this has ceased to be the case. There is literally not a single thing in that entire statement that is false, that is accusatory, or that points a finger. Instead, it's an observation of the difficulties that black parents have due to a history of poor relationships between communities of color and the police department.

Essentially, the man is being pilloried and accused of inciting violence due to a simple observation that has been made by countless politicians, citizens, journalists, pundits, and others.

we disagree, i find the whole thing inflammatory, particularly the bolded portion.

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First off, you don't have to put "black" in quotation marks. If you're half-black in America, you're generally considered black unless you have VERY light skin and choose not to mention it. Second, that's not inflammatory. Here's the full quote:



Note that he didn't call the police racist. He didn't bash the police. He didn't accuse them of anything. He simply observed that young black men often have to be especially careful in their dealings with police, since they tend to be the recipients of police contact in New York in numbers out of proportion to the actual population. This was true when stop-and-frisk was a common practice, and there's no indication that this has ceased to be the case. There is literally not a single thing in that entire statement that is false, that is accusatory, or that points a finger. Instead, it's an observation of the difficulties that black parents have due to a history of poor relationships between communities of color and the police department.

Essentially, the man is being pilloried and accused of inciting violence due to a simple observation that has been made by countless politicians, citizens, journalists, pundits, and others.

we disagree, i find the whole thing inflammatory, particularly the bolded portion.

What, exactly, is inflammatory about pointing out that young black males tend to be targeted by police more often, and tend to be at greater risk during contact with police? That's a simple fact of life for many black people in the United States, it's a problem, and it's one that needs to be talked about. The fact that the Police Union sees an attempt to address this issue as an attack on them, and as rhetoric that helped to lead to the shooting, is ludicrous beyond measure.

[Chernoslavia]

THe bit about having to talk to his "black" son about dealing with the police because the police treat black people poorly

unless you have VERY light skin and choose not to mention it.

Not really. If your someone with ''black'' features and looks, you will be forever known as a black person no matter how light your skin is. My girlfriend has very light skin, but I still have been called a ''nigger lover!'' by someone while I was walking with her to Denny's.

[Ethel mermania]

we disagree, i find the whole thing inflammatory, particularly the bolded portion.

What, exactly, is inflammatory about pointing out that young black males tend to be targeted by police more often, and tend to be at greater risk during contact with police? That's a simple fact of life for many black people in the United States, it's a problem, and it's one that needs to be talked about. The fact that the Police Union sees an attempt to address this issue as an attack on them, and as rhetoric that helped to lead to the shooting, is ludicrous beyond measure.

he is saying to his kid because you are black you cant trust the cops, and i find that inflamatory.

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unless you have VERY light skin and choose not to mention it.

Not really. If your someone with ''black'' features and looks, you will be forever known as a black person no matter how light your skin is. My girlfriend has very light skin, but I still have been called a ''nigger lover!'' by someone while I was walking with her to Denny's.

I meant very light to the point of being able to "pass" if one wishes to. And yeah, I've been there as the white boyfriend in that situation, though she was the one yelled at to "Get away from that white boy, you stupid bitch!"

[Yumyumsuppertime]

What, exactly, is inflammatory about pointing out that young black males tend to be targeted by police more often, and tend to be at greater risk during contact with police? That's a simple fact of life for many black people in the United States, it's a problem, and it's one that needs to be talked about. The fact that the Police Union sees an attempt to address this issue as an attack on them, and as rhetoric that helped to lead to the shooting, is ludicrous beyond measure.

he is saying to his kid because you are black you cant trust the cops, and i find that inflamatory.

No, he's saying that because he's black, he's more likely to be targeted by police, and should be extra cautious in dealing with them, which seems like excellent advice considering the history of conflict between the black community and the NYPD.

Also, how did this help lead to the shooting?

[Chernoslavia]

Not really. If your someone with ''black'' features and looks, you will be forever known as a black person no matter how light your skin is. My girlfriend has very light skin, but I still have been called a ''nigger lover!'' by someone while I was walking with her to Denny's.

I meant very light to the point of being able to "pass" if one wishes to. And yeah, I've been there as the white boyfriend in that situation, though she was the one yelled at to "Get away from that white boy, you stupid bitch!"

I think one would have to have ''white'' features for them to pass as a white person.

[Ethel mermania]

he is saying to his kid because you are black you cant trust the cops, and i find that inflamatory.

No, he's saying that because he's black, he's more likely to be targeted by police, and should be extra cautious in dealing with them, which seems like excellent advice considering the history of conflict between the black community and the NYPD.

Also, how did this help lead to the shooting?

i didn't say just his rhetoric did. all of it did. what I said was a protestor was the shooter.