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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:07 pm

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The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:I don't worship any deity, so I just found it a bit strange & hypocritical that you'd call idol worshiping disgusting.

Idols are idols Allah is god and is a huge difference idols means besides Allah and indicates polytheism instead of monotheism so I am not being hypocritical at all by saying worshiping idols is bad and worshiping god is good yes god can be considered and idol but not the contex that I inteanded hope this clears confusions. Any way back on topic it just is a insentive for parents to get kids to behave and ease on teachers by using principles that are used to describe god. This is just so wrong on may levels I just cannot believe this is socially & morally acceptable and for sales and crap wow! I can't believe how synical people are this isn't Mericale on 34th street. I'll be honest I enjoy some of the movies but those are movies and not real life. I guess all we can do is hope the future sees the wrongs with it and replaces it with rights.

And polytheism is bad...because? And essentially your argument is "idol worship is okay, so long as it is my idol"?
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Postby -Shie- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:08 pm

Santa isn't in the bible, don't tell your kids about that. I wouldn't have Santa in my home on Christmas and I might not celebrate Christmas.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:09 pm

Highever wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:Idols are idols Allah is god and is a huge difference idols means besides Allah and indicates polytheism instead of monotheism so I am not being hypocritical at all by saying worshiping idols is bad and worshiping god is good yes god can be considered and idol but not the contex that I inteanded hope this clears confusions. Any way back on topic it just is a insentive for parents to get kids to behave and ease on teachers by using principles that are used to describe god. This is just so wrong on may levels I just cannot believe this is socially & morally acceptable and for sales and crap wow! I can't believe how synical people are this isn't Mericale on 34th street. I'll be honest I enjoy some of the movies but those are movies and not real life. I guess all we can do is hope the future sees the wrongs with it and replaces it with rights.

And polytheism is bad...because? And essentially your argument is "idol worship is okay, so long as it is my idol"?


Yes that is my argument k!
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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:10 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Highever wrote:And polytheism is bad...because? And essentially your argument is "idol worship is okay, so long as it is my idol"?


Yes that is my argument k!

Well, as long as you recognize how absurd and illogical it sounds.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:11 pm

Highever wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Yes that is my argument k!

Well, as long as you recognize how absurd and illogical it sounds.

What ever believe what you want who am I to tell you what to believe I have a right to express my self as you do.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:12 pm

-Shie- wrote:Santa isn't in the bible, don't tell your kids about that. I wouldn't have Santa in my home on Christmas and I might not celebrate Christmas.

So if it is not in the bible, you shouldn't tell children about it? Or am I mistaken?
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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:13 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Highever wrote:Well, as long as you recognize how absurd and illogical it sounds.

What ever believe what you want who am I to tell you what to believe I have a right to express my self as you do.

That directly contradicts what you have just been saying. You have literally just got finished telling people they should not believe in Santa.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:14 pm

I'll teach them about Saint Nicholas and what he did, sure.

But Santa? Nope, not at all.
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Postby -Shie- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:15 pm

Highever wrote:
-Shie- wrote:Santa isn't in the bible, don't tell your kids about that. I wouldn't have Santa in my home on Christmas and I might not celebrate Christmas.

So if it is not in the bible, you shouldn't tell children about it? Or am I mistaken?

You're mistaken, the things we tell our children should be biblical but don't think all we tell kids have to come from it.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:15 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Highever wrote:And polytheism is bad...because? And essentially your argument is "idol worship is okay, so long as it is my idol"?


Yes that is my argument k!


Isn't referring to Allah as an idol a big no-no in Islam? I mean, you guys went to some pretty big lengths to ensure that graven images were destroyed back in the day.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:16 pm

-Shie- wrote:
Highever wrote:So if it is not in the bible, you shouldn't tell children about it? Or am I mistaken?

You're mistaken, the things we tell our children should be biblical but don't all we tell kids don't fully have to come from it.


So when are we going to tell them about the nonbiblical things like computers and NSG ?
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:17 pm

I find it ironic how folks always say the holiday season is a time for cheer and brings out the best in people. When in fact it brings out the worse go to toysRus wal-mart or any other major toy selling retailer the lines are packed and fighting all to get specific toys and stuff like that also road rage is higher than average around this time. And greed as well. We all seen the black Friday riots. Also standing in lines for photographs with Santa Claus getting irritated. Influx of people at malls it gets to extremes for the worse in people in fact.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:17 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
-Shie- wrote:You're mistaken, the things we tell our children should be biblical but don't all we tell kids don't fully have to come from it.


So when are we going to tell them about the nonbiblical things like computers and NSG ?

That was mostly what I was getting at myself.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:18 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
-Shie- wrote:You're mistaken, the things we tell our children should be biblical but don't all we tell kids don't fully have to come from it.


So when are we going to tell them about the nonbiblical things like computers and NSG ?


I suppose he means in reference to Christmas, Santa Claus should not be taught as the focus of said holiday. Because it isn't, really.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:19 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:I find it ironic how folks always say the holiday season is a time for cheer and brings out the best in people. When in fact it brings out the worse go to toysRus wal-mart or any other major toy selling retailer the lines are packed and fighting all to get specific toys and stuff like that also road rage is higher than average around this time. And greed as well. We all seen the black Friday riots. Also standing in lines for photographs with Santa Claus getting irritated. Influx of people at malls it gets to extremes for the worse in people in fact.


You and Charlie Brown should chat sometime.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Yes that is my argument k!


Isn't referring to Allah as an idol a big no-no in Islam? I mean, you guys went to some pretty big lengths to ensure that graven images were destroyed back in the day.

He is a deity but I don't want this thread locked so pleas back on topic. And I wish I could have been there with Abu Bakr,Umar,Uthman and Ali destroying those images thanks for asking about my religion back on topic plz!:)
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:21 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
So when are we going to tell them about the nonbiblical things like computers and NSG ?


I suppose he means in reference to Christmas, Santa Claus should not be taught as the focus of said holiday. Because it isn't, really.

An old winter god delivering presents and punishment ?
Surely sounds like a good focus for winter festivities to me. But indeed; perhaps not refer to such a feast as "Christ-Mass".
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Postby -Shie- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:22 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
-Shie- wrote:You're mistaken, the things we tell our children should be biblical but don't all we tell kids don't fully have to come from it.


So when are we going to tell them about the nonbiblical things like computers and NSG ?

Any time is good if they're told about these things with God in mind.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:24 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I suppose he means in reference to Christmas, Santa Claus should not be taught as the focus of said holiday. Because it isn't, really.

An old winter god delivering presents and punishment ?
Surely sounds like a good focus for winter festivities to me. But indeed; perhaps not refer to such a feast as "Christ-Mass".

Christmas is for Christians
Eid is for Muslims
Hanukah for Jews
Atheists Winter Solcsites I don't even see the whole desire to want to celebrate this day? By any one really look at JWs they don't care about it.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:25 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:An old winter god delivering presents and punishment ?
Surely sounds like a good focus for winter festivities to me. But indeed; perhaps not refer to such a feast as "Christ-Mass".

Christmas is for Christians
Eid is for Muslims
Hanukah for Jews
Atheists Winter Solcsites I don't even see the whole desire to want to celebrate this day? By any one really look at JWs they don't care about it.

Christmas is far from being exclusively for Christians. I know of no atheists who celebrate the solstice.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:26 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I suppose he means in reference to Christmas, Santa Claus should not be taught as the focus of said holiday. Because it isn't, really.

An old winter god delivering presents and punishment ?
Surely sounds like a good focus for winter festivities to me. But indeed; perhaps not refer to such a feast as "Christ-Mass".


If you want to celebrate the pagan holiday often associated with Christmas, you just missed it. The solstice was the 21st.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:26 pm

Highever wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:Christmas is for Christians
Eid is for Muslims
Hanukah for Jews
Atheists Winter Solcsites I don't even see the whole desire to want to celebrate this day? By any one really look at JWs they don't care about it.

Christmas is far from being exclusively for Christians. I know of no atheists who celebrate the solstice.


I didn't say it was im trying to say this is how it should be. Sorry for not making that clearer .
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:28 pm

Highever wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:Christmas is for Christians
Eid is for Muslims
Hanukah for Jews
Atheists Winter Solcsites I don't even see the whole desire to want to celebrate this day? By any one really look at JWs they don't care about it.

Christmas is far from being exclusively for Christians. I know of no atheists who celebrate the solstice.


Who only celebrate it because of the tradition passed down by their Christian ancestors.
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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:29 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
Highever wrote:Christmas is far from being exclusively for Christians. I know of no atheists who celebrate the solstice.


I didn't say it was im trying to say this is how it should be. Sorry for not making that clearer .

If we are truly going for the whole "how it should be" angle, What is modern day Christmas should be for the pagans, and Christians should have a holiday in spring. Besides, Christmas goes far beyond the birth of Jesus, it is a time to be with family and all that.
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Postby Highever » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:30 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Highever wrote:Christmas is far from being exclusively for Christians. I know of no atheists who celebrate the solstice.


Who only celebrate it because of the tradition passed down by their Christian ancestors.

And those ancestors only cerebrated it because it was passed down from pagan traditions of the Solstice.
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There's something in the water
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Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.

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