2014 Study of CIA Detention and Interrogation released

[Napkiraly]

What, you mean actual spy work? Phaw! Gotta rectal rehydrate people!

I know, I know: I'm some kind of radical, expecting the spies to spy. Next, I'll be raving that the government ought to govern.

This is heresy you're spreading here, you sure you're not Al-Qaeda? Only pasta and hummus shoved up your arse will tell. Drop them breeches!

[Ashmoria]

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376761-senate-select-committee-on-intelligence.html#document/p11/a192318
Oh my.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376761-senate-select-committee-on-intelligence.html#document/p19/a192325
Looks like we're keeping the mentally disabled too. How wonderful.

Well, we're not as bad as ISI—Oh, wait:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/9/senate-torture-report.html#document/p82/a192340
Mock executions are wonderful, aren't they?

If I didn't know better, I'd think the US was becoming some sort of oppressive and secretive pseudo-democracy. But we have freedom, so there's no way that's happening.

there is also the sweetener of having torture a couple of guys who came by to give the CIA valuable information. oops

[Arcanda]

This is terrible, don't get me wrong; but at least they do try to stop it and they told the truth to the public and to the world.I bet it's all going to be over in a few years.But at least, they go forward, they face their mistakes, and strive not to do them again.

As we speak, dozens of people are tortured in China, and noone cares about that.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Also a concern.

yeah a concern about how drunk you would get from all the free drinks they would offer you (as long as you go along with the notion that they are totally irish)

There's not enough alcohol in the world to make that brand of plastic paddy tolerable.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Personally I think these acts did not occasion suffering of the particular intensity and cruelty implied by the word torture but it amounted to a practice of inhuman and degrading treatment.

Or something like that.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I know, I know: I'm some kind of radical, expecting the spies to spy. Next, I'll be raving that the government ought to govern.

This is america, there are probably more CIA agents in Al-Qaeda than terrorists!

In Soviet America, government terrorize you!

[The Carlisle]

I know, I know: I'm some kind of radical, expecting the spies to spy. Next, I'll be raving that the government ought to govern.

This is heresy you're spreading here, you sure you're not Al-Qaeda? Only pasta and hummus shoved up your arse will tell. Drop them breeches!

I can't wait for the next James Bond movie.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I know, I know: I'm some kind of radical, expecting the spies to spy. Next, I'll be raving that the government ought to govern.

This is heresy you're spreading here, you sure you're not Al-Qaeda? Only pasta and hummus shoved up your arse will tell. Drop them breeches!

Kinky, but this is a PG-13 forum.

I gotta say that's the strangest thing the CIA came up with. WTF??

[Napkiraly]

This is terrible, don't get me wrong; but at least they do try to stop it and they told the truth to the public and to the world.I bet it's all going to be over in a few years.But at least, they go forward, they face their mistakes, and strive not to do them again.

As we speak, dozens of people are tortured in China, and noone cares about that.

Except that the CIA is disputing the report. So they really probably aren't going to learn jack shit.

[Northwest Slobovia]

This is heresy you're spreading here, you sure you're not Al-Qaeda? Only pasta and hummus shoved up your arse will tell. Drop them breeches!

I can't wait for the next James Bond movie.

"...and so, Mr. Bond, I'm going to show you the Pasta Intruder!"

[Arcanda]

This is heresy you're spreading here, you sure you're not Al-Qaeda? Only pasta and hummus shoved up your arse will tell. Drop them breeches!

Kinky, but this is a PG-13 forum.

I gotta say that's the strangest thing the CIA came up with. WTF??

The food won't be digested and will have a harder time..."Coming out".At least, that's what I understood.

[Ifreann]

Also a concern.

yeah a concern about how drunk you would get from all the free drinks they would offer you (as long as you go along with the notion that they are totally irish)

Exactly! I might miss my flight home!

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This is terrible, don't get me wrong; but at least they do try to stop it and they told the truth to the public and to the world.I bet it's all going to be over in a few years.But at least, they go forward, they face their mistakes, and strive not to do them again.

This was a report from the Senate, not the CIA.

As we speak, dozens of people are tortured in China, and noone cares about that.

Loads of people care. This thread isn't about that, though.

[Arcanda]

This is terrible, don't get me wrong; but at least they do try to stop it and they told the truth to the public and to the world.I bet it's all going to be over in a few years.But at least, they go forward, they face their mistakes, and strive not to do them again.

As we speak, dozens of people are tortured in China, and noone cares about that.

Except that the CIA is disputing the report. So they really probably aren't going to learn jack shit.

They will.The public will disapprove of it.

[Napkiraly]

This is heresy you're spreading here, you sure you're not Al-Qaeda? Only pasta and hummus shoved up your arse will tell. Drop them breeches!

I can't wait for the next James Bond movie.

*having pasta shoved up his ass*
"Do you exshpect me to talk?"
"No, I expect you to mi fa cagare"

[Ashmoria]

yeah a concern about how drunk you would get from all the free drinks they would offer you (as long as you go along with the notion that they are totally irish)

There's not enough alcohol in the world to make that brand of plastic paddy tolerable.

lol

better avoid the US then. we have tons of them.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Except that the CIA is disputing the report. So they really probably aren't going to learn jack shit.

They will.The public will disapprove of it.

And the CIA cares exactly how much we disapprove of it? They might care that the Congress disapproves of it, but I expect this will be the end of the matter. (Barring suits against the Bush Administration, and the Congress and Obama administration engaging in ass-covering.)

[S-teuton-S]

Who cares if it was effective or not, those who were interrogated were to various degrees involved in terrorism, therefore they deserve all the torture they got. My only disagreement with the CIA is that they did not go far enough in their methods. Had they been more harsh in their methods, they may have gotten better results.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

There's not enough alcohol in the world to make that brand of plastic paddy tolerable.

lol

better avoid the US then. we have tons of them.

I've been. The heritage junkies were awful.

[Ifreann]

Except that the CIA is disputing the report. So they really probably aren't going to learn jack shit.

They will.The public will disapprove of it.

Public disapproval of torture didn't stop them before, why would it now?

[Napkiraly]

Who cares if it was effective or not, those who were interrogated were to various degrees involved in terrorism, therefore they deserve all the torture they got. My only disagreement with the CIA is that they did not go far enough in their methods. Had they been more harsh in their methods, they may have gotten better results.

And this is the point where you show yourself to not really be any better than them.

[Ifreann]

Who cares if it was effective or not, those who were interrogated were to various degrees involved in terrorism, therefore they deserve all the torture they got. My only disagreement with the CIA is that they did not go far enough in their methods. Had they been more harsh in their methods, they may have gotten better results.

I was wondering when the pro-torture kids would get here.

[The Black Forrest]

Who cares if it was effective or not, those who were interrogated were to various degrees involved in terrorism, therefore they deserve all the torture they got. My only disagreement with the CIA is that they did not go far enough in their methods. Had they been more harsh in their methods, they may have gotten better results.

You have the S; did you for get the M?

[Ashmoria]

This is terrible, don't get me wrong; but at least they do try to stop it and they told the truth to the public and to the world.I bet it's all going to be over in a few years.But at least, they go forward, they face their mistakes, and strive not to do them again.

As we speak, dozens of people are tortured in China, and noone cares about that.

Except that the CIA is disputing the report. So they really probably aren't going to learn jack shit.

Rachel maddow had a very interesting history lesson on her show last night discussing an earlier CIA foray into torture. Turns out that torture is a really bad idea.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

its the first video that loads. my internet sucks too much today to give you a direct link.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Who cares if it was effective or not, those who were interrogated were to various degrees involved in terrorism, therefore they deserve all the torture they got.

Actually, the Senate forced the CIA to admit:

#15: The CIA did not conduct a comprehensive or accurate accounting of the number of
individuals it detained, and held individuals who did not meet the legal standard for
detention. The CIA's claims about the number of detainees held and subjected to its
enhanced Interrogation techniques were inaccurate.

Which is to say, they arrested and tortured innocent people.

My only disagreement with the CIA is that they did not go far enough in their methods. Had they been more harsh in their methods, they may have gotten better results.

The Senate also forced them to admit that that's bullshit.

You're 0-for-2. Wanna make it 0-for-3?

[Ifreann]

Who cares if it was effective or not, those who were interrogated were to various degrees involved in terrorism, therefore they deserve all the torture they got.

Actually, the Senate forced the CIA to admit:

#15: The CIA did not conduct a comprehensive or accurate accounting of the number of
individuals it detained, and held individuals who did not meet the legal standard for
detention. The CIA's claims about the number of detainees held and subjected to its
enhanced Interrogation techniques were inaccurate.

Which is to say, they arrested and tortured innocent people.

My only disagreement with the CIA is that they did not go far enough in their methods. Had they been more harsh in their methods, they may have gotten better results.

The Senate also forced them to admit that that's bullshit.

You're 0-for-2. Wanna make it 0-for-3?

We can't trust the Senate though, man. I mean, how do we even know the CIA exists?