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Postby The Burgundy Shore » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:15 am

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I reckon he probably could have just paid, she was, afaik, a prostitute after all.

But I think it's pretty solid that Jesus did exist, like, as a person.


Actually, that is not true. One of the early Pope's got the Mary's confused in a speech and people believed the MM was M the prostitute


You're probably right, I'm none too educated on the matter.

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Postby The Kokyuna Clan » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:15 am

Orangeinton wrote:How can something come from nothing? The atheist theory on how the earth came to be.


Yay! Another person that has no idea what Atheism is! I love it so much...

No, I don't believe the universe came from nothing, we have this current theory called the Big Bang, and we're fucking working on it because we allow ourselves to open our minds and allow new theories to come through when evidence is supporting it.

If there is evidence for another theory that is concrete and good enough to compell us, then we'll jump on over there.

So, in conclusion, Atheists don't believ everything came from nothing.

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Postby Lost heros » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:16 am

Orangeinton wrote:
Liriena wrote:Please, do tell us more. How is atheism an example of absurdity?

How can something come from nothing? The atheist theory on how the earth came to be.

Well you see, first someone rather educated in physics and astronomy came up with a hypothesis over the origin of the universe, than began to search for support and evidence for his hypothesis. Than, after he found a lot of support for it, other scientists began researching it and confirming it as well. Than someone completely uneducated in physics and astronomy said rather plainly something entirely irrelevant to the original hypothesis, which has since been upgraded to theory because of the evidence and support for it, and assumed that he was right.
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Postby Nickel Empire » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:16 am

We should ban Your religion.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:17 am

Orangeinton wrote:
Liriena wrote:Please, do tell us more. How is atheism an example of absurdity?

How can something come from nothing? The atheist theory on how the earth came to be.

No, that's the Theist theory on how things came to be. "There is a guy that has always existed. Then he made stuff."
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Postby Bobpire » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:17 am

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Orangeinton wrote:How can something come from nothing? The atheist theory on how the earth came to be.

Actually the earth was a coagulation of rocks and dust during the formation of the solar system. The Big Bang was the creation of the Universe. Please, I'm by no means an expert on the big bang, but I have read enough to know its the the simple "something came from nothing" like that everyone who hates it thinks.

It's not!
The big bang came from a incredibly small and dense sphere, that imploded. Eventually our universe will implode just like the speck did (entropy)

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Postby Keventle » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:17 am

New Socialist South Africa wrote:
Keventle wrote:1) Even if we were to ignore that source there is still a chance of God existing or other things to exist (Multi-Universe theory etc.)
2) Just to throw out free will doesn't exist without any reasonable argument is rather lame, may you back it up?


1) There being a chance something exists isn't a logical reason it does.

2) Sure, hard determinism. Look it up.

Logical reasoning through chance? lol. We live our lives through predicting and analysis. We praise the chance of the multi Universe theory etc.
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:17 am

The Burgundy Shore wrote:
Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:
Actually, that is not true. One of the early Pope's got the Mary's confused in a speech and people believed the MM was M the prostitute


You're probably right, I'm none too educated on the matter.


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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:18 am

Bobpire wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Actually the earth was a coagulation of rocks and dust during the formation of the solar system. The Big Bang was the creation of the Universe. Please, I'm by no means an expert on the big bang, but I have read enough to know its the the simple "something came from nothing" like that everyone who hates it thinks.

It's not!
The big bang came from a incredibly small and dense sphere, that imploded. Eventually our universe will implode just like the speck did (entropy)

Yes I made a typo I meant to say "its bot the simple something came from nothing." Editing that now.

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Postby Atomic Utopia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:19 am

Sahrani South wrote:Atheists can not prove that god does not exist, there is evidence for god: The universe and life!

May I introduce you to my new theory that is based upon the revelations of Bertrand Russell and is therefore completely true! You cannot prove that it does not exist, and I have proof!

My theory is simple, a teapot is currently orbiting somewhere between earth and mars too small for any conceivable telescope to see. To prevent detection it emits a field of mystical energy that effects the earth and it's population to not discover it. It also created the earth to balance it's holistic chrakra energy.

The proof is likewise simple, do you not stand on the earth created by this teapot? Obviously you stand upon this earth an are alive, therefore you have all the proof you need for the great teapot.

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Postby Aelex » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:19 am

The Kokyuna Clan wrote:
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About the Image. Do you know that Epicure lived WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY before Christiendom, and that is entire philosophy is based on faith?

Still, I do have to say that you use one of the greatest "hors contexte"'s quote I ever saw... :clap:


I just used the image as something to give my argument a bit more depth, I don't give a damn about it's context.

and that is entire philosophy is based on faith?


And how would that dillute the argument?


That's the point. You don't care about the context. You miss-use things to make as if you're correct. BUT, taking what some great guy say, and use it some way out of where it was, to make as if what YOU say is in the same spirit/enlightenement is bullshit. JUST bullshit. Not rethoric. Not "Art du Verbe". Just bullshit, nothing else. And, yes, that dilute the argument because the same way you can't use what some people sayed in "Les Lumières" to support communism, you can't use what Epicure sayed to support Atheism.
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Postby Firewind » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:20 am

I think I would like to dispel all pretenses on "athiests make up a majority of the prison population" with [url=why-atheists-make-85-percent-americas-scientists-and-07-percent-its-prison]this[/url] article.

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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:20 am

Atomic Utopia wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:Atheists can not prove that god does not exist, there is evidence for god: The universe and life!

May I introduce you to my new theory that is based upon the revelations of Bertrand Russell and is therefor completely true! You cannot prove that it does not exist, and I have proof!

My theory is simple, a teapot is currently orbiting somewhere between earth and mars too small for any conceivable telescope to see. To prevent detection it emits a field of mystical energy that effects the earth and it's population to not discover it. It also created the earth to balance it's holistic chrakra energy.

The proof is likewise simple, do you not stand on the earth created by this teapot? Obviously you stand upon this earth an are alive, therefore you have all the proof you need for the great teapot.

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Postby The Kokyuna Clan » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:20 am

Atomic Utopia wrote:May I introduce you to my new theory that is based upon the revelations of Bertrand Russell and is therefor completely true! You cannot prove that it does not exist, and I have proof!

My theory is simple, a teapot is currently orbiting somewhere between earth and mars too small for any conceivable telescope to see. To prevent detection it emits a field of mystical energy that effects the earth and it's population to not discover it. It also created the earth to balance it's holistic chrakra energy.

The proof is likewise simple, do you not stand on the earth created by this teapot? Obviously you stand upon this earth an are alive, therefore you have all the proof you need for the great teapot.


What a load of crap, we all know the Flying Spaghetti Monster made the universe, you damn heathen!

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Postby Lost heros » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:20 am

Keventle wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Just for the record, the guy starts with the assumption that god has a 50% chance of existing.

So you have evidence for God?

He's an omnipotent being. I'm sure he could maintain free will and fix everything if he truly wanted to.

Well I have no idea where these two sentences even came from.

yes in probability you take the odds of something to happen as 50/50 (yes or no) then add variables
Im not providing evidence, Im rather explaining the illusion of why God sometimes is viewed not to exist.
He could but you would lose free will. We have free will meaning we have the choice to do things. I see him/her as a parent. Parents allow you to make choices but that isn't Omnipotent.

But a god doesn't have a 50% chance of existing before factoring relevant variables.
So you have evidence, but instead of sharing that evidence you'd rather just say "nah you're wrong"
But one of the criteria for the Abrahamic Christian God is that He is omnipotent, and by the definition of omnipotence He can do whatever He feels like. So He could fix things and maintain free will.
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Postby Bobpire » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:21 am

Aelex wrote:
The Kokyuna Clan wrote:
I just used the image as something to give my argument a bit more depth, I don't give a damn about it's context.



And how would that dillute the argument?


That's the point. You don't care about the context. You miss-use things to make as if you're correct. BUT, taking what some great guy say, and use it some way out of where it was, to make as if what YOU say is in the same spirit/enlightenement is bullshit. JUST bullshit. Not rethoric. Not "Art du Verbe". Just bullshit, nothing else. And, yes, that dilute the argument because the same way you can't use what some people sayed in "Les Lumières" to support communism, you can't use what Epicure sayed to support Atheism.

But you can. He might not have lived during christianity, but that argument still completely disproves the idea of a all-perfect god

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Postby Keventle » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:21 am

Lost heros wrote:
Orangeinton wrote:How can something come from nothing? The atheist theory on how the earth came to be.

Well you see, first someone rather educated in physics and astronomy came up with a hypothesis over the origin of the universe, than began to search for support and evidence for his hypothesis. Than, after he found a lot of support for it, other scientists began researching it and confirming it as well. Than someone completely uneducated in physics and astronomy said rather plainly something entirely irrelevant to the original hypothesis, which has since been upgraded to theory because of the evidence and support for it, and assumed that he was right.

I would like to remind you it's still a theory and some scientists disagree. I agree with the Big Bang, but you were implying all scientists.

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Postby Haydn » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:21 am

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Postby Centenniality » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:21 am

How has this managed to not be locked by now?
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:22 am

Yawn...hm? Sorry I fell asleep when I first clicked the link, let me read here...

Hm.....hmmmm...hm....ah yes, yes....

Thats a whole load of shit, I think I lost brain cells reading that.

OP, go to the shame car and...please just...learn...I don't really wanna say it, but I think its clear that you are not intellectually honest, at the very least I think you are so ignorant it whips all the way to hilarious, and then back to unfunny because of how stupendously long the fucking ignorance reaches.

Its longer than an Alabama black snake, its larger than fucking Jupiter, it has more mass than a fucking black hole.

Like, I seriously feel like your words, broke into my brain while it was asleep, and violently murdered the shit out of some brain cells, and then fucked their corpse.

I think I speak for everyone (Well, mostly everyone) when I say that what you said was the most unintelligible garbage, in this month, hopefully in the entire year, you get awards for everything in NSHuge Box. But seriously, please, don't ever post again, until you have at least pried open a book that didn't weigh as much as a truck, wasn't bland as shit, and was not written by some dudes jacking off in the desert, wishing their goats were women, and then proceed to diddle said goats.

Yes, I know the goat fucker stereotype is overdone, I just feel that its justified, plus they are all dead, their conciseness isn't a thing, so I doubt they will be offended.


So let me say this, us Atheist are the ones that expect God to do shit for us?....Yeah no...see, in order to be an atheist, you can't be in support of any concept called God, you can be certain and affirm they/it doesn't exist or not, but you at your heart deny its existence. And if any Atheist back when they may have been religious did in fact pray to hopefully get their prayers answered...so what? A shit ton of Christians do that, they pray for you, they pray for safety, etc...Thats something Christians have perpetuated, you can't get out of that, if God wants us to handle it, then of course we would, but then why pray at all? Jesus Christ...

I think Atheist are wrong, I think it is wrong, they should read a bible, I do not want free thought.......you...will be assimilated.

Sorry OP, I'm not, joining the Borg, this night.

:Beams in a nuke while leaving, etc, etc....dun dun, dun dun dun dun!!!!:

Every Muslim knows Christians don't have any morals, they do not follow the Quaran.

They murder! - Crusades

They Steal - Pagan Holidays!

They Rape - Do we really need to go here?

Not all atheist are for abortion, and euthanasia just isn't for old people...and why is that latter one bad? If you're a good Christian shouldn't death be a bonus....especially if you're so old your bones break if you take a 3 meter step? Is it that you know your religion is a bunch of donkey shit? I doubt thats the case, I'm honest here, but seriously...

Also a fetus isn't a fully developed human being.

Do you remember when you were a fetus? Nah I'm kidding you'd say no as you should...

But here is something....the Bible...isn't evidence...if it could be used as evidence, I could use Harry Potter as evidence to support the fact that the words avada kedavra kills people.

Also again with the bible quote, how fucking good is the Bibles rod if you have to stick to using that as your only source...a pathetic one.

Oh look! A fucking contradiction!

Wow...its like you don't even fucking think about what you type!

Dammit, please tell me you're not serious, I better read a post later saying you're just fucking with us, I'll by you a 20kg something as a reward, because you blew my tired ass mind like a revolver, I'm still trying to pick up that mess.


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Postby Skinia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:22 am

Centenniality wrote:How has this managed to not be locked by now?

The mods usually take their time. Additionally, there are no mods currently online.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:22 am

Forget banning atheism.

It's time to put a ban in place on banning atheism.
And possibly some sort of licensing system on atheism.
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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:23 am

Sahrani South wrote:
Atheism should be banned because it is very wrong. I seriously think these atheists should read the Bible! I hate it when some kids these days say that they are atheist, it is absolutely WRONG.

Every Christian knows Atheists have no morals because they think they can ignore God’s Holy Bible. Some of them even deny the existence of Hell! They murder, steal and rape all the time as if there is no tomorrow. It is no coincidence that most criminals are Atheists. It is time to stop all this! It is a known fact that Atheists like nothing more but killing unborn children (abortion) and defenseless elders (euthanasia).

Only Christians realize that murder is bad: Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”

How is atheism wrong? It is a different world view on a problem THAT HAS NO ANSWER. Atheist have it much worse off than religious people, because we have to deal with oblivion, you people, and have no community. We are more liberal than religious people because we can make a choice unburdened with having to deal with god, so we can be more liberal (and good). "Thou shall not kill.". what do you say that you are doing? killing people in your name of god? tell that to the indians, and the other groups. Oh and the KKK where protestant. Letting you know why you are wrong.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:23 am

Orangeinton wrote:How can something come from nothing?


Something didn't come from nothing.
Nothing came from nothing.
At least according to one hypothesis.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:24 am

Keventle wrote:
Liriena wrote:I chuckled.

Ever heard of confirmation bias?


Free will doesn't exist.

Even if we were to ignore that source there is still a chance of God existing or other things to exist (Multi-Universe theory etc.)
Just to throw out free will doesn't exist without any reasonable argument is rather lame, may you back it up?

Well, from what I've learned over the past couple of years as a student of social sciences, I have come to believe that no human being has ever truly had individual free will, because free will cannot exist in our Universe. Our thoughts, emotions and actions are conditioned by our context, our experiences, our biology, our subconscious, and the society we live in. When we are faced with a choice between two options, we are already preconditioned towards choosing one of them, because everything in our lives thus far has led towards it.

If I choose to, for example, murder an innocent person, it is a decision I made because of my brain chemistry, the morals I learned throughout my life, and the potential consequences I can envision from where I'm standing. I may ultimately commit the murder because of an underlying neurological disorder, coupled with moral values that I interpretate in a way that excuse it, and believing that there won't be any consequences, based on who the victim is and where I'm committing the crime.
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