Your Favorite Modern Day Political Leader(s)

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:48 pm

Burleson wrote:Jim DeMint, Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Paul Ryan

Could you explain why? I know it's likely because you share their views, but I'd still like to see your opinions expanded upon.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:49 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
What's your point? I'm not saying that any form of economic protectionism is bad, but the Front National stresses it to much without providing a basis behind their argument.

I somewhat feared you were about to embark on a massive tirade on the benefits of laissez-faire policies.

I'm a centre-leftist, so that fear is a bit silly.

by **Canaore** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:50 pm

Fortschritte wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Nac&Pop is the abbreviation of ''Nacional y Popular'', a term frequently used in South American countries to refer to politicians who share the views of Lula, Kirchner, Morales, Correa, Mujica.

Oh hell yea, he is a big fan of Chavez.

Mujica on Chavez: "The motives remain but we lost the symbol" (Referring to Hugo Chavez)
Mujica talks about his deep friendship with Chavez
"Pepe" Mujica: ''Why wouldn't I miss Chavez?''
''He (Chavez) left an open space difficult to fill''

Well, I was previously unaware of that. I knew his administration wasn't hostile towards Chavez, but I never knew he was that friendly towards him.

You didn't provide any information on Maduro, though. Regardless, I now have multiple things to consider. I still admire Mujica, given what he's done for the people of Uruguay, but I can't say I'll like him as much as I used to.

And what has he done for the people of Uruguay, exactly? He legalized pot. Statist, government-controlled pot, that is.

by **Sebastianbourg** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:50 pm

Fortschritte wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:I somewhat feared you were about to embark on a massive tirade on the benefits of laissez-faire policies.

I'm a centre-leftist, so that fear is a bit silly.

I didn't read your signature.

by **Liverte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:51 pm

David Cameron

by **Camelza** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:51 pm

Fortschritte wrote:
Camelza wrote:He has helped to the betterment of immigrant rights in Britain, is an advocate of further European integration and balances the more conservative opinions of Cameron's government.

I would give him a 5/10, which says much about my opinion on modern politicians.
*Do note that I didn't include politicians that I deem effective, but I consider them to be quite dislikeable personally, due to their social, or foreign policies.

He has done a very poor job of balancing the more conservative voices and opinions in Cameron's government. His entire party has done a poor job of doing that.

That's not really the case, we don't know what Cameron would have done if he had a solid tory majority. Sure, the LibDems could have been more intransigent regarding some of their key policies, but this doesn't mean they have been the Tories' lapdog all this time, no matter how much this seems to be the most popular opinion among the people.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:52 pm

Canaore wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Well, I was previously unaware of that. I knew his administration wasn't hostile towards Chavez, but I never knew he was that friendly towards him.

You didn't provide any information on Maduro, though. Regardless, I now have multiple things to consider. I still admire Mujica, given what he's done for the people of Uruguay, but I can't say I'll like him as much as I used to.

And what has he done for the people of Uruguay, exactly? He legalized pot. Statist, government-controlled pot, that is.

He oversaw a reduction of poverty thanks to increased government spending, and his government was committed to LGBT rights and a reduction of inequalities. That's not a bad legacy.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:52 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
I'm a centre-leftist, so that fear is a bit silly.

I didn't read your signature.

Haha, that's fine.

by **Olerand** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Fortschritte wrote:
Olerand wrote:The Front has policies. They always did. Back in the 80s, it was Reaganism. Now it's "Gaullism" of sorts. It has an agenda and has annual congresses and all.

Their '"policies" are largely incoherent. It's agenda and policies are nothing more than "We don't like immigrants, we don't like Islam, fuck the EU and we want protectionism."

Uhm, no, their policies are outlined much more than that. They call for specific economic actions, and much more.

by **Herrebrugh** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Ben van Herwijnen.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Camelza wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
He has done a very poor job of balancing the more conservative voices and opinions in Cameron's government. His entire party has done a poor job of doing that.

That's not really the case, we don't know what Cameron would have done if he had a solid tory majority. Sure, the LibDems could have been more intransigent regarding some of their key policies, but this doesn't mean they have been the Tories' lapdog all this time, no matter how much this seems to be the most popular opinion among the people.

I know they're not the Tories' lapdogs, but I still feel as if the LibDems have simply voiced opposition to Conservative legislation without acting.

by **Greater Mackonia** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Vladimir Putin.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Olerand wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Their '"policies" are largely incoherent. It's agenda and policies are nothing more than "We don't like immigrants, we don't like Islam, fuck the EU and we want protectionism."

Uhm, no, their policies are outlined much more than that. They call for specific economic actions, and much more.

Well, I'll research them some more, I suppose.

by **Sebastianbourg** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:54 pm

Liverte wrote:David Cameron

Your signature suggests you're a Republican. You do understand Cameron's government legalised same-sex marriage, right?

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:55 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:Vladimir Putin.

Why do you admire a man who invaded Ukraine, suppresses journalism, abuses human rights, and is vehemently opposed to LGBT rights?

by **Herrebrugh** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:55 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Liverte wrote:David Cameron

Your signature suggests you're a Republican. You do understand Cameron's government legalised same-sex marriage, right?

Not all supporters of the American Republican Party are against same-sex marriage, you know.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:55 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Liverte wrote:David Cameron

Your signature suggests you're a Republican. You do understand Cameron's government legalised same-sex marriage, right?

After reading his signature, I think it's fair to say that David Cameron is much more liberal than the poster being discussed.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:
Your signature suggests you're a Republican. You do understand Cameron's government legalised same-sex marriage, right?

Not all supporters of the American Republican Party are against same-sex marriage, you know.

His signature says that he is.

by **Sebastianbourg** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:Ben van Herwijnen.

All the links are in Dutch! Is he a republican?

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:Ben van Herwijnen.

He sounds very Dutch.

Anyways, I'm unfamiliar with him, can you tell me about him?

by **Burleson** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Fortschritte wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Vladimir Putin.

Why do you admire a man who invaded Ukraine, suppresses journalism, abuses human rights, and is vehemently opposed to LGBT rights?

What human rights has he abused? And I actually respected him a lot before he invaded Ukraine because of his opposition to gays.

by **Fortschritte** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:57 pm

Burleson wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Why do you admire a man who invaded Ukraine, suppresses journalism, abuses human rights, and is vehemently opposed to LGBT rights?

What human rights has he abused? And I actually respected him a lot before he invaded Ukraine because of his opposition to gays.

The right to free speech, freedom of expression, and the rights of national sovereignty.

And, to admire a man for hating a group of people is quite awful.

by **Camelza** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:58 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Liverte wrote:David Cameron

Your signature suggests you're a Republican. You do understand Cameron's government legalised same-sex marriage, right?

Proposed by Lynne Featherstone. A proof that the Liberal Democrats have actually pursued parts of their agenda during their time as minor partners in the coaliation.

by **Estado Nacional** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:59 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Nac&Pop? I'm unfamiliar with that abbreviation.

Nac&Pop is the abbreviation of ''Nacional y Popular'', a term frequently used in South American countries to refer to politicians who share the views of Lula, Kirchner, Morales, Correa, Mujica.

Fortschritte wrote:Furthermore, I wouldn't consider him to be a big supporter of Chavez and Maduro. He didn't do anything that would indicate a love for either of those men.

Oh hell yea, he is a big fan of Chavez.

Mujica on Chavez: "The motives remain but we lost the symbol" (Referring to Hugo Chavez)
Mujica talks about his deep friendship with Chavez
"Pepe" Mujica: ''Why wouldn't I miss Chavez?''
''He (Chavez) left an open space difficult to fill''

I don't think Lula and Mujica are as retarded as the other people you mentioned. Also, I've never heard that term. Maybe it's popular in Spanish South America.

by **Sebastianbourg** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:00 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:
Your signature suggests you're a Republican. You do understand Cameron's government legalised same-sex marriage, right?

Not all supporters of the American Republican Party are against same-sex marriage, you know.

Read his signature and you'll see he's opposed to it.

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