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Seleucas
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Founded: Jun 11, 2010
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Postby Seleucas » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:00 pm

Parhe wrote:
Seleucas wrote:
South Korea can take care of itself; it has a powerful military and a much greater economy than its neighbor, and it should take steps towards economic integration/rapprochment such as with the Kaesong Industrial Region. Having the US make threats of overthrowing NK and practicing war games (including simulations of pre-emptive artillery strikes or nuking Pyongyang) really will not solve anything.

I do think that the US buggered things up by arbitrarily dividing Korea to begin with.

Sunshine Policy ended for a reason; North Korea refused to change, unless you count hiding its nuclear tests better. Despite South Korea doing everything to help North Korea none of the South's grievances were met except family reunions, except the North continues to use it as a took; North Korea continues punishing defectors, working on nuclear capabilities, and torturing its prisoners, many of them there for reasons that wouldn't be considered crimes in most developed or even undeveloped nations. South Korea has tried these things time and time again since the fall of the Soviet Union but even during then the North has made threats to attack and overthrow the south which, despite what you say, has not been made by either the South or America since the Cold War. Also, war "games" makes sense; North Korea is weaker than the South but it can still do a lot of damage and it constantly threatens to attack the South, doing so every few years. I will say though, if America withdraws the South should develop its own nuclear weapons. It would finally give Korea something to do with its leftover fuel, fixing its storage issue (artificially created by the US)


The US pretty much came out in favor of regime change with the Axis of Evil speech, and North Korea has been nudged towards collapse through soft means such as financial sanctions and more. It also seems imbalanced to respond to (largely empty) threats of violence with actual demonstrations of the power to annihilate a country.

In any case, I would agree that the North is definitely not making things easier. It might be a good idea for the South to defend itself with its own nuclear weapons instead of the US, as you suggest; I really do not see how the US can help to resolve this ongoing issue with its military presence, and it seems that it only exacerbates things by appearing as a foreign interloper to NK and China.
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Seraven
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Postby Seraven » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:13 pm

Parhe wrote:
Seleucas wrote:
South Korea can take care of itself; it has a powerful military and a much greater economy than its neighbor, and it should take steps towards economic integration/rapprochment such as with the Kaesong Industrial Region. Having the US make threats of overthrowing NK and practicing war games (including simulations of pre-emptive artillery strikes or nuking Pyongyang) really will not solve anything.

I do think that the US buggered things up by arbitrarily dividing Korea to begin with.

Sunshine Policy ended for a reason; North Korea refused to change, unless you count hiding its nuclear tests better. Despite South Korea doing everything to help North Korea none of the South's grievances were met except family reunions, except the North continues to use it as a took; North Korea continues punishing defectors, working on nuclear capabilities, and torturing its prisoners, many of them there for reasons that wouldn't be considered crimes in most developed or even undeveloped nations. South Korea has tried these things time and time again since the fall of the Soviet Union but even during then the North has made threats to attack and overthrow the south which, despite what you say, has not been made by either the South or America since the Cold War. Also, war "games" makes sense; North Korea is weaker than the South but it can still do a lot of damage and it constantly threatens to attack the South, doing so every few years. I will say though, if America withdraws the South should develop its own nuclear weapons. It would finally give Korea something to do with its leftover fuel, fixing its storage issue (artificially created by the US)


Does anyone from South Korea has already gives his/her objectives in here as the one who run the South Korea's foreign policy.
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Manisdog
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:39 am

Undo the mistake of Nehru and withdraw from the commonwealth

punish Pakistan

Try to get back the Kohinoor Diamond from the clutches of the Britain

Increase conventional forces

press for Akhand Bharat

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Never Whatever
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Postby Never Whatever » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:53 am

remain the relationship is still tight between the nations

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Wombocombo
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Postby Wombocombo » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:56 am

I guess war would be foreign policy...
Invade North Korea in an expensive war that probably won't be worth it.
Support Israel for no real reason.
Cry for about thirty five minutes.
Nuke Pakistan.
Realize Israel already did it for me.
End up causing world war 3.
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:56 am

Manisdog wrote:Undo the mistake of Nehru and withdraw from the commonwealth

punish Pakistan

Try to get back the Kohinoor Diamond from the clutches of the Britain

Increase conventional forces

press for Akhand Bharat

1. Why?
2. They have nukes;
3. How? Would you send the Indian secret service to take it from the Tower of London?
4. Nukes and the whole world.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:58 am

Nuke India, Pakistan, the entirety of the Middle East and China. Maybe part of Antarctica for lulz.
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Manisdog
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:10 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Manisdog wrote:Undo the mistake of Nehru and withdraw from the commonwealth

punish Pakistan

Try to get back the Kohinoor Diamond from the clutches of the Britain

Increase conventional forces

press for Akhand Bharat

1. Why?
2. They have nukes;
3. How? Would you send the Indian secret service to take it from the Tower of London?
4. Nukes and the whole world.

1) The association of this country with the colonists have always been a curse to this land, it would be better to cut of those ties, also it is a very unholy relationship and India should move into the future and forget about her imperial past, imperialism has been rooted out of this soil and should stay out

2) So do we, but no that is not what I want

3) Shameless stealing a diamond from a kid is not the best thing to do, it rightfully belongs to India, and they should give it back to India along with all the other things looted from our land that is sitting in there muesuem

4) Why ?

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Postby Wombocombo » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Nuke India, Pakistan, the entirety of the Middle East and China. Maybe part of Antarctica for lulz.

Antarctica had it coming!
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Tybra
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Postby Tybra » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:25 am

Ease immigration policies, simplify procedures to speed up the process.

Give aid to Syrian refugees in countries neighboring Syria who currently hold large numbers of Syrian refugees, but oppose "taking them in".

Ensure that the ISDS part of the TTIP has a clear transparency clause, grants governments immunity for large scale economy wide reforms/laws, such as labor reforms (example: increasing minimum wage).

Express being generally content with how things are going, but we could always use new investors.
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Timsvill
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Postby Timsvill » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:54 am

I would build up the military and stay out of foreign affair's! If the nation isn't attacked, then their is no reason for me too get involved! Now if Innocent american's are being killed over seas. I would take action, other then that. If their is no need for me to get the nation involved. I won't.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:05 pm

Timsvill wrote:I would build up the military and stay out of foreign affair's! If the nation isn't attacked, then their is no reason for me too get involved! Now if Innocent american's are being killed over seas. I would take action, other then that. If their is no need for me to get the nation involved. I won't.

Why build up the military if you're just going to make us isolationist? If anything, it's more practical to cut down due to the extensive force projection assets (something we don't need if we're just going to stay out of foreign affairs).

To add, I'd also find a way to ice Assad and make it seem as though ISIS did it. Maybe plant a strong, pro-Western dictator in there to seal the deal. We'll worry about democracy and all that once ISIS fades away and Russia stops caring.
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Distruzio
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:11 pm

Withdraw all troops from all non-American territories. Cut military spending by 20%. Increase ties with the Anglo-sphere. Call it a day.
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