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Postby Laerod » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:24 pm

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Laerod wrote:I'd contest that. Yes, even with the disclaimer. There is a natural tendency of the non-Fox media to pretend they're "neutral" and thus they run afoul of the "both sides do it" fallacy. In practice, the media is skewed towards the Republicans because of this.

But no one, except for those right of center, believe that that claim is true. Nearly every other major news source caters to those left of center, which results in the situation where Fox News is the only major right wing source while also turning centrists off to the Republicans, while the mainstream non-Fox media caters to the left and reports primarily on Republican failures rather than on Democratic failures (Though, depending on the specific spot on the political spectrum of the News Source, they will often report on the failures of Democrats, too, though often to a lesser extent). This results in a large bias against the right, unless you watch Fox News in which case there is a major bias against the Left. Most people don't watch Fox News, so the pro-left bias remains.

That's bullshit and if you spent the time thinking about it you'd realize why.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:24 pm

I don't hate anyone. Hate is a very strong word.

However, I strongly dislike what Republicans stand for. Their fundamentalist attitude makes the other numerous Christians who are reasonable and tolerant (I am one of them) look bad.

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Postby Skappola » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:26 pm

Laerod wrote:
Skappola wrote:But no one, except for those right of center, believe that that claim is true. Nearly every other major news source caters to those left of center, which results in the situation where Fox News is the only major right wing source while also turning centrists off to the Republicans, while the mainstream non-Fox media caters to the left and reports primarily on Republican failures rather than on Democratic failures (Though, depending on the specific spot on the political spectrum of the News Source, they will often report on the failures of Democrats, too, though often to a lesser extent). This results in a large bias against the right, unless you watch Fox News in which case there is a major bias against the Left. Most people don't watch Fox News, so the pro-left bias remains.

That's bullshit and if you spent the time thinking about it you'd realize why.

Please educate me on my bullshittyness. Also note that I'm not trying to create a big conspiracy theory that the media is inherently against the Left. I'm just trying to point out that most major news sources cater to their target demographic in Urban, Liberal areas. Fox News almost owns the monopoly on both Conservative news and crazy, which results in problems for the Republicans.
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Postby Scyobayrynn » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:27 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:I don't hate anyone. Hate is a very strong word.

However, I strongly dislike what Republicans stand for. Their fundamentalist attitude makes the other numerous Christians who are reasonable and tolerant (I am one of them) look bad.

I think many people(who arent Christian) dont realize the constant conflict and level of vitriol between supposed Fundamentalists(I prefer the term Radical, because nothing they support is Fundamental to Christianity) and more moderate(Actually Fundamental) Christians.
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Postby Firsthome » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:28 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:I don't hate anyone. Hate is a very strong word.

However, I strongly dislike what Republicans stand for. Their fundamentalist attitude makes the other numerous Christians who are reasonable and tolerant (I am one of them) look bad.


yeah....

only baptists and mormons are like that :P
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Postby Demphor » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:31 pm

I will make my mark on this subject.

I am a progressive, I don't caucus with the Democrats all the time, but I do consider myself a leftist. I live in a District controlled by a Republican, Bob Dold.

This is what he believes and states: Dold supports abortion rights. In 2012, Dold introduced the Protecting Women’s Access to Health Care Act, which prevents lawmakers from blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. He has voiced support for stem cell research. Dold voted for the fiscal cliff compromise bill, which permanently extended most of the Bush middle class tax cuts.

He has stated his support for gay marriage and immigration reform. Regarding the Affordable Care Act, he has stated his desire to improve the law rather than fight to repeal or defund it. Dold has said the Affordable Care Act was right to require insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions and to allow students to stay on a parent's insurance to age 26.

Dold supports gun control measures. He accepts the scientific consensus on climate change and believes steps should be taken to address the issue.


This is actually fairly moderate and a good platform. He is a classic Moderate Republican, and that to me is fair. In my district he beat out the incumbent Democrat, Brad Schneider, who defeated him in 2012. This is a Republican I would work with and I do genuinely think he's a fair Congressman, however the problem is it's a shame this man isn't in charge of the Republican Party. The issue is that his Party is run be a more right-wing political caucus (McConnell) that some already consider extreme, with an more extreme element (Cruz) added to the mix. The problem is is that Republicans cannot win without becoming moderate and being smart about their policies. They already have an advantage over the Democrats for standing for something, even if it is crazy, if they reduce the crazy, the increase the respect.

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Postby Scyobayrynn » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:32 pm

Skappola wrote:
Laerod wrote:That's bullshit and if you spent the time thinking about it you'd realize why.

Please educate me on my bullshittyness. Also not that I'm not trying to create a big conspiracy theory that the media is inherently against the Left. I'm just trying to point out that most major news sources cater to their target demographic in Urban, Liberal areas. Fox News almost owns the monopoly on both Conservative news and crazy, which results in problems for the Republicans.

Fox news(and ALL cable news for that matter) could really benefit from a huge reduction in editorializing. I miss 60 MInutes from back in the day, that was good Editorial News Journalism. I couldnt begin to tell the politics of those original people on 60 Minutes, it was just good stuff.

But yeah, youre right. News Caters to its target demographic, and Fox simply has fewer competitors for the Right than the already Left leaning news Agencies, so it is the way it is, no conspiracy. I mean no conspiracy beyond wanting viewers to attract advertising dollars.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:33 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:I don't hate anyone. Hate is a very strong word.

However, I strongly dislike what Republicans stand for. Their fundamentalist attitude makes the other numerous Christians who are reasonable and tolerant (I am one of them) look bad.

I think many people(who arent Christian) dont realize the constant conflict and level of vitriol between supposed Fundamentalists(I prefer the term Radical, because nothing they support is Fundamental to Christianity) and more moderate(Actually Fundamental) Christians.

Indeed.

The fundamentalists have turned a religion that is supposed to be about love into a religion of hate, bigotry, and intolerance.

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Postby Pensalum » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:34 pm

Demphor wrote:I will make my mark on this subject.

I am a progressive, I don't caucus with the Democrats all the time, but I do consider myself a leftist. I live in a District controlled by a Republican, Bob Dold.

This is what he believes and states: Dold supports abortion rights. In 2012, Dold introduced the Protecting Women’s Access to Health Care Act, which prevents lawmakers from blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. He has voiced support for stem cell research. Dold voted for the fiscal cliff compromise bill, which permanently extended most of the Bush middle class tax cuts.

He has stated his support for gay marriage and immigration reform. Regarding the Affordable Care Act, he has stated his desire to improve the law rather than fight to repeal or defund it. Dold has said the Affordable Care Act was right to require insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions and to allow students to stay on a parent's insurance to age 26.

Dold supports gun control measures. He accepts the scientific consensus on climate change and believes steps should be taken to address the issue.


This is actually fairly moderate and a good platform. He is a classic Moderate Republican, and that to me is fair. In my district he beat out the incumbent Democrat, Brad Schneider, who defeated him in 2012. This is a Republican I would work with and I do genuinely think he's a fair Congressman, however the problem is it's a shame this man isn't in charge of the Republican Party. The issue is that his Party is run be a more right-wing political caucus (McConnell) that some already consider extreme, with an more extreme element (Cruz) added to the mix. The problem is is that Republicans cannot win without becoming moderate and being smart about their policies. They already have an advantage over the Democrats for standing for something, even if it is crazy, if they reduce the crazy, the increase the respect.

What I don't understand is why he would even want to identify as a republican? With his platform, he's nearly a democrat. Why would he align with a party that is renowned worldwide for its stubborn conservatism?
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Postby Scyobayrynn » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:35 pm

Demphor wrote:I will make my mark on this subject.

I am a progressive, I don't caucus with the Democrats all the time, but I do consider myself a leftist. I live in a District controlled by a Republican, Bob Dold.

This is what he believes and states: Dold supports abortion rights. In 2012, Dold introduced the Protecting Women’s Access to Health Care Act, which prevents lawmakers from blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. He has voiced support for stem cell research. Dold voted for the fiscal cliff compromise bill, which permanently extended most of the Bush middle class tax cuts.

He has stated his support for gay marriage and immigration reform. Regarding the Affordable Care Act, he has stated his desire to improve the law rather than fight to repeal or defund it. Dold has said the Affordable Care Act was right to require insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions and to allow students to stay on a parent's insurance to age 26.

Dold supports gun control measures. He accepts the scientific consensus on climate change and believes steps should be taken to address the issue.


This is actually fairly moderate and a good platform. He is a classic Moderate Republican, and that to me is fair. In my district he beat out the incumbent Democrat, Brad Schneider, who defeated him in 2012. This is a Republican I would work with and I do genuinely think he's a fair Congressman, however the problem is it's a shame this man isn't in charge of the Republican Party. The issue is that his Party is run be a more right-wing political caucus (McConnell) that some already consider extreme, with an more extreme element (Cruz) added to the mix. The problem is is that Republicans cannot win without becoming moderate and being smart about their policies. They already have an advantage over the Democrats for standing for something, even if it is crazy, if they reduce the crazy, the increase the respect.

Yes, an army of him is what Republicans need, not just to win. Fuck winning. They need to change their core.
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Postby Skappola » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:35 pm

Scyobayrynn wrote:
Skappola wrote:Please educate me on my bullshittyness. Also not that I'm not trying to create a big conspiracy theory that the media is inherently against the Left. I'm just trying to point out that most major news sources cater to their target demographic in Urban, Liberal areas. Fox News almost owns the monopoly on both Conservative news and crazy, which results in problems for the Republicans.

Fox news(and ALL cable news for that matter) could really benefit from a huge reduction in editorializing. I miss 60 MInutes from back in the day, that was good Editorial News Journalism. I couldnt begin to tell the politics of those original people on 60 Minutes, it was just good stuff.

But yeah, youre right. News Caters to its target demographic, and Fox simply has fewer competitors for the Right than the already Left leaning news Agencies, so it is the way it is, no conspiracy. I mean no conspiracy beyond wanting viewers to attract advertising dollars.

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Postby Laerod » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:35 pm

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Laerod wrote:That's bullshit and if you spent the time thinking about it you'd realize why.

Please educate me on my bullshittyness. Also not that I'm not trying to create a big conspiracy theory that the media is inherently against the Left. I'm just trying to point out that most major news sources cater to their target demographic in Urban, Liberal areas. Fox News almost owns the monopoly on both Conservative news and crazy, which results in problems for the Republicans.

I did. You chose to ignore it. Republicans are responsible for the most fuck ups, so it stands to reason that their fuck ups would dominate in neutral media, but the "neutral" media routinely downplays them in an attempt to be nonpartisan. The media not directly catering to the right cater to the alleged independents that are "sick of both parties" without actually bothering to inform themselves on whether this is a legitimate position to have. While that's not necessarily a conspiracy directed against anyone, it skews reporting in favor of the Republicans. Right-wing viewpoints and commentators are given extreme amounts of leeway in allegedly "leftist" media.

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Postby Firsthome » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:37 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Scyobayrynn wrote:I think many people(who arent Christian) dont realize the constant conflict and level of vitriol between supposed Fundamentalists(I prefer the term Radical, because nothing they support is Fundamental to Christianity) and more moderate(Actually Fundamental) Christians.

Indeed.

The fundamentalists have turned a religion that is supposed to be about love into a religion of hate, bigotry, and intolerance.


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Postby The Sons of Adam » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:38 pm

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Timsvill wrote:I'm a republican, most people here on nation states don't like my kind. I'm from Texas, that sets off a signal for democrats here on NS too start too hate me. I don't know why.

So the question is simple. Why do you democrats hate republicans. I want too see it from a democrats point of view. Why do you hate republicans? Or dislike us republicans!

Why do republicans hate people?

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Demphor wrote:I will make my mark on this subject.

I am a progressive, I don't caucus with the Democrats all the time, but I do consider myself a leftist. I live in a District controlled by a Republican, Bob Dold.

This is what he believes and states: Dold supports abortion rights. In 2012, Dold introduced the Protecting Women’s Access to Health Care Act, which prevents lawmakers from blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. He has voiced support for stem cell research. Dold voted for the fiscal cliff compromise bill, which permanently extended most of the Bush middle class tax cuts.

He has stated his support for gay marriage and immigration reform. Regarding the Affordable Care Act, he has stated his desire to improve the law rather than fight to repeal or defund it. Dold has said the Affordable Care Act was right to require insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions and to allow students to stay on a parent's insurance to age 26.

Dold supports gun control measures. He accepts the scientific consensus on climate change and believes steps should be taken to address the issue.


This is actually fairly moderate and a good platform. He is a classic Moderate Republican, and that to me is fair. In my district he beat out the incumbent Democrat, Brad Schneider, who defeated him in 2012. This is a Republican I would work with and I do genuinely think he's a fair Congressman, however the problem is it's a shame this man isn't in charge of the Republican Party. The issue is that his Party is run be a more right-wing political caucus (McConnell) that some already consider extreme, with an more extreme element (Cruz) added to the mix. The problem is is that Republicans cannot win without becoming moderate and being smart about their policies. They already have an advantage over the Democrats for standing for something, even if it is crazy, if they reduce the crazy, the increase the respect.

What I don't understand is why he would even want to identify as a republican? With his platform, he's nearly a democrat. Why would he align with a party that is renowned worldwide for its stubborn conservatism?

YOU mean how the Democrat party once was?
YOu understand that the Position and platforms of the Parties are Dynamic, that the Republican Party has not always been as it is now.
That some of the most "Conservative Republicans in history would look at the party today and say "Whoa whoa, dial it back a bit. YOU guys are fucking crazy", and even more so time when the Democrat Party looka damned site more like the republican party today.

It could be that he is an element of CHANGE in his party...because you know. That happens.
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Because they're fully owned by corporatations. They represent the interests of corporations, not of people.
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Expect at least 99% of this thread as a rant against Republicans
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New Stinkonia wrote:Because they're fully owned by corporatations. They represent the interests of corporations, not of people.

Corporations lobby on both parties. What you said is not about Republicans, it is about politicians in general.

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New Stinkonia wrote:Because they're fully owned by corporatations. They represent the interests of corporations, not of people.


And the Dems aren't?
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Postby Skappola » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:48 pm

Laerod wrote:
Skappola wrote:Please educate me on my bullshittyness. Also not that I'm not trying to create a big conspiracy theory that the media is inherently against the Left. I'm just trying to point out that most major news sources cater to their target demographic in Urban, Liberal areas. Fox News almost owns the monopoly on both Conservative news and crazy, which results in problems for the Republicans.

I did. You chose to ignore it.

How? You told me what I said was bullshit without explaining. Unless you we're talking about that first response. I wouldn't say that a paragraph is "Ignoring" it.

Republicans are responsible for the most fuck ups, so it stands to reason that their fuck ups would dominate in neutral media, but the "neutral" media routinely downplays them in an attempt to be nonpartisan.
The neutral media goes rabid with these stories, so I'm not really sure what kind of news sources you're watching. Also, you're ignoring the large number of Democratic fuck-ups which only get paid attention to by Fox News.
The media not directly catering to the right cater to the alleged independents that are "sick of both parties" without actually bothering to inform themselves on whether this is a legitimate position to have. While that's not necessarily a conspiracy directed against anyone, it skews reporting in favor of the Republicans. Right-wing viewpoints and commentators are given extreme amounts of leeway in allegedly "leftist" media.

The Independents "Sick of both parties" are generally slightly more left-leaning, looking at polls, so I would assume the news sources are slightly left leaning, too. I also think your political views may be influencing your ideas of exactly how much "bullshit" is on each side, and how much of it gets reported on. I'm not attacking you or accusing you of anything, just pointing out a possibility.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:49 pm

The Sons of Adam wrote:Expect at least 99% of this thread as a rant against Republicans

No shit. The OP is asking for precisely that. That's like pointing out a thread about kittens contains posts about baby cats.

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Postby Firsthome » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:52 pm

Skappola wrote:
Laerod wrote:I did. You chose to ignore it.

How? You told me what I said was bullshit without explaining. Unless you we're talking about that first response. I wouldn't say that a paragraph is "Ignoring" it.

Republicans are responsible for the most fuck ups, so it stands to reason that their fuck ups would dominate in neutral media, but the "neutral" media routinely downplays them in an attempt to be nonpartisan.
The neutral media goes rabid with these stories, so I'm not really sure what kind of news sources you're watching. Also, you're ignoring the large number of Democratic fuck-ups which only get paid attention to by Fox News.
The media not directly catering to the right cater to the alleged independents that are "sick of both parties" without actually bothering to inform themselves on whether this is a legitimate position to have. While that's not necessarily a conspiracy directed against anyone, it skews reporting in favor of the Republicans. Right-wing viewpoints and commentators are given extreme amounts of leeway in allegedly "leftist" media.

The Independents "Sick of both parties" are generally slightly more left-leaning, looking at polls, so I would assume the news sources are slightly left leaning, too. I also think your political views may be influencing your ideas of exactly how much "bullshit" is on each side, and how much of it gets reported on. I'm not attacking you or accusing you of anything, just pointing out a possibility.




Yeah....

because Left leaners are Usually more socially accepting
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Postby Pensalum » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:56 pm

Scyobayrynn wrote:YOU mean how the Democrat party once was?
YOu understand that the Position and platforms of the Parties are Dynamic, that the Republican Party has not always been as it is now.
That some of the most "Conservative Republicans in history would look at the party today and say "Whoa whoa, dial it back a bit. YOU guys are fucking crazy", and even more so time when the Democrat Party looka damned site more like the republican party today.

It could be that he is an element of CHANGE in his party...because you know. That happens.

Uhhh.

Well the Republican party was more moderate in the past, this is true. Theodore Roosevelt, one of my personal heroes, was a Republican, and he was far from conservative.

However, today, the Democrats have become what the Republicans used to be, and the Republicans are something else entirely. I hate to say it, but it started with Reagan. He opened America's door to the infamous Tea Party. Today, the Republicans are farrrr right fundamental corporatist conservatives.

Anyway, what I was asking must not have been clear enough. Why is he identifying with Republicans, if he has so little in common with the Republicans of today? Wouldn't this just cause conflict between him and other members of "his" party?
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Postby New Stinkonia » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:56 pm

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New Stinkonia wrote:Because they're fully owned by corporatations. They represent the interests of corporations, not of people.


And the Dems aren't?


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