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Vjaarland
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Postby Vjaarland » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:16 am

Senyosu wrote:
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The rioters are using lethal force, so I see no reason why Police should not be permitted to respond accordingly.

One side will back down eventually. Riots do not last.

Property damage, on the other hand.

Of course the situation will subside eventually, but in the meantime, I don't think that risking the lives of Police by not allowing them to defend themselves appropriately against people with automatic weapons is a good strategy.
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Rhodisia
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Postby Rhodisia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:16 am

Unconfirmed, NG advance units are advancing into the outskirts of the city. Saw a military transport helicopter on my stream.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:16 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Rhodisia wrote:Police reinforcements approaching! At least one police helicopter is airborne in addition to news helis.


The rioters's anger is against the police. Why is the police still trying to intervene? Just deploy the NG.


Pretty much.

I mean what's the God damn holdup?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:16 am

Yup, they've got a chopper in there.
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New Socialist South Africa
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Rhodisia wrote:Police reinforcements approaching! At least one police helicopter is airborne in addition to news helis.


The rioters's anger is against the police. Why is the police still trying to intervene? Just deploy the NG.


I feel like that could possibly make the matter worse. Let us not forget Kent State University.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

This broadcasters a tool, but he is right about one thing. CS gas is way preferable to MACE

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Vjaarland
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Postby Vjaarland » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

Local news is reporting that Gov. Nixon has just authorized sending the National Guard into Ferguson.
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Oil exporting People
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

It's about time the National Guard gets sent in.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The rioters's anger is against the police. Why is the police still trying to intervene? Just deploy the NG.

There's no direction to this. They're going to fight anyone who gets in their way.


There has to be a way to stop this. Ferguson's getting destroyed.
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Postby Senyosu » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

Vjaarland wrote:
Senyosu wrote:One side will back down eventually. Riots do not last.

Property damage, on the other hand.

Of course the situation will subside eventually, but in the meantime, I don't think that risking the lives of Police by not allowing them to defend themselves appropriately against people with automatic weapons is a good strategy.

The NG appear to have arrived. All sides should back done soon.
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Margno
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Postby Margno » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Margno wrote:What the fuck is your problem?


Says the one going "fuck private property".

It's not the fact that it's "theft" I have a problem with. It's seeing five people you think are dead and others injured and not doing anything except try to personally profit from it.
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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

Some policemen seem to be searching for something (or things) in this parking lot; here's what I could screenshot:

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They had/have flashlights and are looking through the windows.

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Rhodisia
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Postby Rhodisia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:17 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:This broadcasters a tool, but he is right about one thing. CS gas is way preferable to MACE

I've gotten MACEd in the balls before and yeah it's not pleasant.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:18 am

New Socialist South Africa wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The rioters's anger is against the police. Why is the police still trying to intervene? Just deploy the NG.


I feel like that could possibly make the matter worse. Let us not forget Kent State University.


I don't disagree, but at this point, what else can be done?
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Wisconsin9
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:18 am

Vjaarland wrote:Local news is reporting that Gov. Nixon has just authorized sending the National Guard into Ferguson.

Took his fucking time.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:There's no direction to this. They're going to fight anyone who gets in their way.


There has to be a way to stop this. Ferguson's getting destroyed.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:18 am

Sounds almost like they're abandoning the Mobil.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:19 am

Margno wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Says the one going "fuck private property".

It's not the fact that it's "theft" I have a problem with. It's seeing five people you think are dead and others injured and not doing anything except try to personally profit from it.


What exactly do you think a state of Anarchy, temporal or otherwise, implies?
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Postby Terraius » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:19 am

Now that the NG is showing up, for all of you in or around the riots, now is the absolute for serious time to get away before this turns into an urban warzone.
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Rhodisia
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Postby Rhodisia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:19 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:Sounds almost like they're abandoning the Mobil.

Conoco roof just collapsed, tank integrity is still looking fine. Hatches are open, could present a fume hazard.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:19 am

Rhodisia wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:This broadcasters a tool, but he is right about one thing. CS gas is way preferable to MACE

I've gotten MACEd in the balls before and yeah it's not pleasant.



:roll: I've been maced and CS gassed, courtesy of the US Military. MACE fucking sucks CS gas is mildly annoying by comparison.

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Senyosu
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Postby Senyosu » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:20 am

Ferguson should be put under lockdown, the trial must be rerun.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:20 am

Terraius wrote:Now that the NG is showing up, for all of you in or around the riots, now is the absolute for serious time to get away before this turns into an urban warzone.


^ This.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:20 am

Margno wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:They're burning the town to the ground.

Good.
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Yes, we fucking can.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:20 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Vjaarland wrote:Local news is reporting that Gov. Nixon has just authorized sending the National Guard into Ferguson.

Took his fucking time.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There has to be a way to stop this. Ferguson's getting destroyed.

Force.


I have to go to sleep. I hope this is put down soon. This frustration didn't come to happen overnight, and no matter how persuasive the DA was, the verdict tonight was not the answer Ferguson wanted.
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New Socialist South Africa
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:20 am

Oil exporting People wrote:It's about time the National Guard gets sent in.


They could either restore order or they could fuck things up like what happened at Kent State University.

Lets hope they keep cool heads and restore order with as few casualties or injuries on either side as possible.
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