Honor in the modern world?

[Faiv]

I'd like if people wouldn't be late to everywhere. I don't know if it has something to do with honor but it pisses me off.

Maybe it just me because when I must be somewhere 10am then I'm there precisely 10am and always like that.

[The Rich Port]

I'm not sure people have the same working definitions of honor, and that's the problem.

To some people, it is honourable to fight when insulted; for others, it's honourable to restrain yourself when insulted. Honor is a double-edged sword. I'm more about logic and intelligence. To me, being logical is honourable.

"Honor" in the traditional sense is really just not applicable in modern society except in limited circumstances. Most of the time, even when it was more applicable, it's often just stupid to follow it.

I studied honor as a social concern; it's often the concern of teenagers and children. I think that's where it should stay.

[The Sotoan Union]

I mean what even is honor? Is it doing whatever society wants you to do? At what point is something honorable and at what point is it just following trends?

Japanese society asked samurai to kill themselves after a defeat. American society asks you not to wear socks and sandals. Those are pretty far from each other but they are on the same scale. Why is one honorable and one just following a trend?

[Conserative Morality]

Japanese society asked samurai to kill themselves after a defeat. American society asks you not to wear socks and sandals. Those are pretty far from each other but they are on the same scale.

Are they? I'm not convinced.

[The Sotoan Union]

Japanese society asked samurai to kill themselves after a defeat. American society asks you not to wear socks and sandals. Those are pretty far from each other but they are on the same scale.

Are they? I'm not convinced.

Maybe they aren't.

But what is honor in regards to this post? Is it chivalry? Your society's form of honor isn't the same as other forms of honor, and if you version dies out then that doesn't mean that all honor is gone.

[Conserative Morality]

Maybe they aren't.

But what is honor in regards to this post? Is it chivalry? Your society's form of honor isn't the same as other forms of honor, and if you version dies out then that doesn't mean that all honor is gone.

I'm not sure that I have much honor, if any at all, and I'm fine with that. I'm more interested in discussing the concept and its change and/or survival now.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Honor always came off as a meaningless platitude to me.

The closest thing to it I can honestly think of is internal consistency. That is, having a clearly defined set of rules by which to live by and not making exceptions to them for any reason.

The issue is that this is rarely practical. So honor is rarely practical.

[The Conez Imperium]

There still honour in my world. I try to be polite, honest, humble; virtues that society holds in high regard and likewise people in the 19 or 12 century would have tried to do the same. Hold virtues that society views as favourable but surely honour is not just dictated by society. People also have their own opinions to the concept of honour and that would influence the overall societal concept. In conclusion I believe honour is something that society dictates and people try to maintain or shape to their own liking.

[Simply Tyrone]

Sadly, no. Honor is having a legacy behind you. Alas, some certain people want to tear it down and redistribute that "legacy" for "the good of the people", while pocketing some more in the process.

[The Sotoan Union]

Maybe they aren't.

But what is honor in regards to this post? Is it chivalry? Your society's form of honor isn't the same as other forms of honor, and if you version dies out then that doesn't mean that all honor is gone.

I'm not sure that I have much honor, if any at all, and I'm fine with that. I'm more interested in discussing the concept and its change and/or survival now.

Well just because someone's version of honor is disappearing doesn't mean that honor in general is disappearing is what I'm saying.

[Conserative Morality]

Well just because someone's version of honor is disappearing doesn't mean that honor in general is disappearing is what I'm saying.

At which point, then, is it no longer honor? Certainly the dilution can't last forever; honor must have some definition, however loose.

[Servica]

HONOR IS DEFENDING THY MOTHERLAND FROM ALL EVIL WHO SEEK TO CLAIM IT. FOR GREAT JUSTICE AND PRIDE IN YOUR RACE, YOU MUST HAVE HONOR!

[Conserative Morality]

HONOR IS DEFENDING THY MOTHERLAND FROM ALL EVIL WHO SEEK TO CLAIM IT. FOR GREAT JUSTICE AND PRIDE IN YOUR RACE, YOU MUST HAVE HONOR!

Eh. Never was fond of Russia.

[The Sotoan Union]

Well just because someone's version of honor is disappearing doesn't mean that honor in general is disappearing is what I'm saying.

At which point, then, is it no longer honor? Certainly the dilution can't last forever; honor must have some definition, however loose.

It's a subjective creation of society. Everyone will have different versions and different cultures have different versions, and no version is any more right than another. Different cultures can value different things and you can't try to take them all and pick one over all the others.

[Conserative Morality]

It's a subjective creation of society. Everyone will have different versions and different cultures have different versions, and no version is any more right than another. Different cultures can value different things and you can't try to take them all and pick one over all the others.

I'm not looking to say 'this specific code is the only honor', I'm asking 'what is honor?', full stop. Honor is not a plant. It's not a heart, and it's not hunger. If honor is so fluid, what's the container keeping it shaped like?

[Servica]

HONOR IS DEFENDING THY MOTHERLAND FROM ALL EVIL WHO SEEK TO CLAIM IT. FOR GREAT JUSTICE AND PRIDE IN YOUR RACE, YOU MUST HAVE HONOR!

Eh. Never was fond of Russia.

What is this infantile bleakness of thine understanding? Do you not have pride in your race? You must be ashamed...

[Conserative Morality]

What is this infantile bleakness of thine understanding? Do you not have pride in your race? You must be ashamed...

Got too many to choose from. Dunno which ones to honor, since they're all at each other's throats.

[Servica]

That is exactly why honor should not be defined. It turns people into a bunch of chess pieces.

[Jumalariik]

I wish, but no.
Sadly, the whole Beowulf warrior is over, with social justice warriors taking his place. I still think folks should try to emulate the old heroes, but too bad I suppose.
Imagine Beowulf v. Tumblr.

[Camelza]

HONOR IS DEFENDING THY MOTHERLAND FROM ALL EVIL WHO SEEK TO CLAIM IT. FOR GREAT JUSTICE AND PRIDE IN YOUR RACE, YOU MUST HAVE HONOR!

[The Holy Therns]

I don't think it's ever been as real as people like to hope.

[Blasted Craigs]

Does honor still exist in the modern world? If it does, in what form does it exist? Is honor a good thing or a bad thing? What is honor? Discuss etc etc.

Honor I've heard used in several different ways. I suppose I've a taste for honor when the word represents loyalty to personal ideas, but without any of the baggage of traditional honor's (Vaguely defined, because the concept of honor is of course ever-changing) adherence to internal rules.

I don't think traditional senses of honor will last - ideas of truthfulness, loyalty, righteous vengeance, etc.

What say you? Is honor living on borrowed time? Or is it a fixture of humanity, here to stay? And so on.

I believe it depends on what you mean by survive.
On a large scale, where honor is respected and valued by society at large?
No, and honor has been neglected for a long time, for many, many decades in fact.
On a small scale, you will have some that practice a form of honorable behavior, whether they refer to it as integrity or core values, as long as they are true to the behavior.

I think the problem lies with the fact that honor has been seen as something to be bestowed, or given to another by society, like a badge or emblem, or a trophy. This devalued in my opinion what honor is meant to be, and consequently, in my opinion, many people have a flawed sense of what honor is.

Such as referring to a judge as your honor, referring to someone as the the honorable so and so, or extending the honor of whatever status to someone, decades of doing this, even if it was done originally with good intentions, has cheapened the term until it has almost no likeness to it's original form.

Honor is something one possesses if they practice it. It cannot be given, earned, bought, or won. It simply is. It is a state of being, and you either are or are not honorable. If one is honorable, they know it, and require no acknowledgement of the fact by others to validate or make it true. when one has honor, the only one who can make you lose your honor is yourself.

This is why on a large scale, I say in my opinion honor has not existed for some time. It has been a quality a few have had and nothing more.

[The Holy Therns]

I wish, but no.
Sadly, the whole Beowulf warrior is over, with social justice warriors taking his place. I still think folks should try to emulate the old heroes, but too bad I suppose.
Imagine Beowulf v. Tumblr.

That's so unfair. Beowulf wouldn't know how to use a computer.

[The Sotoan Union]

It's a subjective creation of society. Everyone will have different versions and different cultures have different versions, and no version is any more right than another. Different cultures can value different things and you can't try to take them all and pick one over all the others.

I'm not looking to say 'this specific code is the only honor', I'm asking 'what is honor?', full stop. Honor is not a plant. It's not a heart, and it's not hunger. If honor is so fluid, what's the container keeping it shaped like?

Whatever people want it to be. Some crazy dude could think it is a plant. Most people will think it is a sort of moral code or societal values. But nobody can say that their version is honor and other versions aren't.

[Pandeeria]

I see honor as traditionalist, trivial shit that only gets in the way of things.

A more proper word for someone knowing what's right is ethics or integrity.