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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:12 pm

Araksasya wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:Incorrect. Luke 12:51.

Um, we'll know they do not kill in obedience to the Quran, they are muse retorting the sacred and inner struggle of jihad an misinterpreting it as holy war, which is quite a paradoxical concept, In gonna let you guys work this all out, bye bye :twisted: :rofl:

I pointed that out specifically because I had the quote handy. I don't deny what you're saying.
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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:14 pm

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Nothing they haven't been doing for 1500 years.

And what about the Crusades? Those weren't caused by Christians, right?


And the Crusades were 1000 years ago.

ISIS is happening now.

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Postby Tierra Prime » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:23 pm

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Nothing they haven't been doing for 1500 years.

And what about the Crusades? Those weren't caused by Christians, right?

The Crusades were caused by the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates conquering the Holy Lands and the Seljuk Turks invading Anatolia.

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Postby Wesorin » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:24 pm

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Wesorin wrote:And what about the Crusades? Those weren't caused by Christians, right?


And the Crusades were 1000 years ago.

ISIS is happening now.

Yes, but those are extremists. And many people in America would take the chance to burn one of another religion. And the Crusades are referring to the fact that you blamed Islam for 1500 years of rape and murder.

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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:27 pm

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And the Crusades were 1000 years ago.

ISIS is happening now.

Yes, but those are extremists. And many people in America would take the chance to burn one of another religion. And the Crusades are referring to the fact that you blamed Islam for 1500 years of rape and murder.


1500 years and counting.

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Postby Lexcronica » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:31 pm

Untaroicht wrote:When you people came into our lands [Thrace, Constantinople, and Anatolia] it was not with open arms and good tidings but with swords and hatred. You took our land, sold our women into sexual slavery, plundered our churches, and in a matter of a few short years completely tore down our beloved kingdom that took centuries to build. When that wasn't enough, you killed us off with careful and malicious planning en masse, then had the arrogance to claim you are peaceful and rational. If there is a heaven and it is filled with people like those turks, then hell is the place for me and my kin.


which people? need to be more specific.

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Postby Seangoli » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:36 pm

Untaroicht wrote:When you people came into our lands [Thrace, Constantinople, and Anatolia] it was not with open arms and good tidings but with swords and hatred. You took our land, sold our women into sexual slavery, plundered our churches, and in a matter of a few short years completely tore down our beloved kingdom that took centuries to build. When that wasn't enough, you killed us off with careful and malicious planning en masse, then had the arrogance to claim you are peaceful and rational. If there is a heaven and it is filled with people like those turks, then hell is the place for me and my kin.


Fourth Crusade. Look it up. Christian's weren't much better.

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Postby Greater-London » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:36 pm

Well lets be honest 13 years isn't actually a very long time... I don't think many people do hate Islam but I think people in the western world worry about it; for instance it was announced today that there are 5 places in the city I live that are now at a high risk of a terrorist attack.

I don't hate Islam, I dont hate Muslims either. I am wary of radical Islam which does pose a threat on a global level.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:40 pm

Tierra Prime wrote:The Crusades were caused by the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates conquering the Holy Lands and the Seljuk Turks invading Anatolia.


It is like no one cares to understand this asides from the people who are informed of that time period, it seems that the people who harp on how bad the Crusades were think it just came out of nowhere and had no underlying prelude.
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:41 pm

Lexcronica wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:When you people came into our lands [Thrace, Constantinople, and Anatolia] it was not with open arms and good tidings but with swords and hatred. You took our land, sold our women into sexual slavery, plundered our churches, and in a matter of a few short years completely tore down our beloved kingdom that took centuries to build. When that wasn't enough, you killed us off with careful and malicious planning en masse, then had the arrogance to claim you are peaceful and rational. If there is a heaven and it is filled with people like those turks, then hell is the place for me and my kin.


which people? need to be more specific.


The current trends in Islam can date back pretty much to the last 100 years or so due in no small part to the absolute idiocy that entailed post World War I and II, and how the decline of colonialism was handled. National boundaries were drawn with absolutely no regard for the populations within said countries, and massive power vacuums were left. Which were filled by extremists for various reasons not at all having to do with anything that is inherent to Islam.

Prior to this, things were off-and-on far better than their European contemporaries, occassionally on par, and occasionally worse.

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Postby Seangoli » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:42 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Tierra Prime wrote:The Crusades were caused by the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates conquering the Holy Lands and the Seljuk Turks invading Anatolia.


It is like no one cares to understand this asides from the people who are informed, it seems that the people who harp on how bad the Crusades were think it just came out of nowhere and had no underlying prelude.


And it's as though some people have a very shallow understanding of the political situation at the time, and believe the Crusades were directly and only the result of said actions.

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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:23 pm

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The Cobalt Sky wrote:Leviticus 20:9, then. That one definitely seems to support killing.


Seriously, we are not ancient Isrealites of the Mosaic Covenant marching to reclaim their forefather's land in order for God to establish a People so that the Promisied One may come (That is to whom those verses specifically apply). That has already been done. The Levitical Priesthood who had to extablish that extreme jurisprudence for the theonomy of the state disbanded long ago--they no longer exist as a temple priesthood. As Chrstian we are under Grace, not Law. Christ being the fulfilment of that Law.

Christ said a new command I give is to love each other. Muhammed said to strike down your enemies. When Christians kill non-Christians for not converting, they (the Christians) deny Christ. When Muslims kill non-Muslims for not converting they (the Muslims) affirm Muhammed.

I think I see what your point is about Leviticus 20:9 no longer being relevant, but is there a specific quote that says it should no longer be followed and that it only applies to those specific people?

Also, what about Matthew 10:34?

Lastly, Quran 2:190 "Fight in the cause of God those who start fighting you, but do not transgress limits (or start the attack); for God loveth not transgressors."
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:30 pm

Seangoli wrote:And it's as though some people have a very shallow understanding of the political situation at the time, and believe the Crusades were directly and only the result of said actions.


What is there to know? Islamic armies were violently on the march to spread Islam, and needed to be stopped when they reached the gates of Vienna.
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Postby Wesorin » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Seangoli wrote:And it's as though some people have a very shallow understanding of the political situation at the time, and believe the Crusades were directly and only the result of said actions.


What is there to know? Islamic armies were violently on the march to spread Islam, and needed to be stopped when they reached the gates of Vienna.

No, Muslims didn't want a bunch of random people who were Jewish and Christian into Jerusalem because they didn't trust them, and instead of negotiating, Christian armies went full on and attacked them.

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Postby Saiwania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:50 pm

Wesorin wrote:No, Muslims didn't want a bunch of random people who were Jewish and Christian into Jerusalem because they didn't trust them, and instead of negotiating, Christian armies went full on and attacked them.


It was actually in response to Alexios I Komnenos, Emperor of Byzantine requesting the help of volunteers to repel Seljuk Turks; who were invading his kingdom. The alternative would've been to let them keep advancing towards Europe.
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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:52 pm

In India they say it could be because of the following, see video below. Its really informative. Seems that a good part of India was once under Islamic occupation. In the centuries under Islamic occupation they say 80 million Hindus disappeared. Its a story which is not much known.

Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMY2YV9WucY
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Postby Araksasya » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:21 pm

That there are many forms of Islam:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi
Quranism
Nation of Islam
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Postby Senyosu » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:24 pm

Araksasya wrote:That there are many forms of Islam:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi
Quranism
Nation of Islam

Shi'a and Sunni are the only legitimate sects of Islam. Sufiism is a part of those two sects, and it is more spiritual in nature. Same with Qur'anism.

Nation of Islam was or is (idek) a black nationalist group. Not orthodox Muslims.
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Postby Araksasya » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:30 pm

You forgot to bring up, Ebola, c'mon you guys blame Islam for every little thing!
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Postby Al-Sabaah » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:26 pm

Araksasya wrote:That there are many forms of Islam:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi
Quranism
Nation of Islam

Ibadi Islam too,
Deobandi Islam.
Ibadi Muslim.

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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:42 pm

Al-Sabaah wrote:
Araksasya wrote:That there are many forms of Islam:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi
Quranism
Nation of Islam

Ibadi Islam too,
Deobandi Islam.


Also some far out like Druze and Yazidi.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:00 pm

Because Islam is so similar to christianity and judaism, but not the same. That makes people uncomfortable, because every bad thing they see in Islam is also present in their own religion. Such a mirror is something most people dislike vehemently.

Nonchristians and nonjews of course simply dislike Islam because it is a religion of "meh"; just like all the Abrahamic faiths.
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:02 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:Because Islam is so similar to christianity and judaism, but not the same. That makes people uncomfortable, because every bad thing they see in Islam is also present in their own religion. Such a mirror is something most people dislike vehemently.

Nonchristians and Jews of course simply dislike Islam because it is a religion of "meh"; just like all the Abrahamic faiths.


Why lump in Jews with the nonchristians on that statement?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:07 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Because Islam is so similar to christianity and judaism, but not the same. That makes people uncomfortable, because every bad thing they see in Islam is also present in their own religion. Such a mirror is something most people dislike vehemently.

Nonchristians and Jews of course simply dislike Islam because it is a religion of "meh"; just like all the Abrahamic faiths.


Why lump in Jews with the nonchristians on that statement?

A stupid typo due to a bad night with little sleep. I shall correct that; it should of course be "nonchristians and nonjews". Or "people not of an Abrahamic faith".
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Postby Thorsfinni » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:09 pm

Hate the person, not the faith.

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