Transgender woman correctly buried as man?

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Even though its entirely obvious that 90% of the time a government form asks you to put your "sex", they actually want your gender, which they insist is also your sex. To say nothing of the government documents that actually ask for "gender".

Well, with the GOP coming back to power, they'll probably just standardize all of them to say "white Protestant straight male" or "other" for every question.

[Grenartia]

1. Fair enough.

2. Logic and common sense. 90% of the time they ask, they don't need to know if you have a dangly meat sausage between your legs or a meat cave (last I checked, you don't drive a car with your dick or your pussy, for one example). Given the popular misconception that sex=gender, it is therefore not at all unreasonable to assume that they want to know what your gender is.

3. How the fuck did I create the assertion when you posted the assertion first?

4. I already fucking told you, I didn't change any words in your post that I quoted. That is all YOUR words, not mine.

5. Its mental gymnastics because you're blatantly lying (in open contradiction of evidence proving you're lying), saying that you didn't say something you literally said, and claiming that I'm putting words in your mouth when I give proof, despite the fact that your post is still fucking there, untouched. I've got the fucking screenshot to prove your post was unaltered.

You are not being honest. Seriously, instead of continuing to dig your hole, maybe you should actually read my post.

The FACT is that the assertion you claimed is not an assertion I have made. There is no honestly denying that fact. It is found right there in my quote of what you posted.

Then what the fuck were you claiming? You seem to have this habit of saying one thing, and then when you get called out on it, trying (and utterly failing) to backtrack, saying that the people who are calling you out are "strawmanning", and "manipulating" your words, and other such bullshit. This is literally the second time I've seen you do this. Maybe instead of blaming us, you should blame your shitty word choice.

You have to feel sorry for people who are so confused in life that they mix up their sex. It's sad, really. If this person was a he at birth, they are a he at death.

Murkwood, fucking please mate.

Yeah, like, what the fuck. Gallup, maybe instead of spouting ignorant bullshit, you should try walking a few miles in our shoes, first.

[Murkwood]

You are not being honest. Seriously, instead of continuing to dig your hole, maybe you should actually read my post.

The FACT is that the assertion you claimed is not an assertion I have made. There is no honestly denying that fact. It is found right there in my quote of what you posted.

Then what the fuck were you claiming? You seem to have this habit of saying one thing, and then when you get called out on it, trying (and utterly failing) to backtrack, saying that the people who are calling you out are "strawmanning", and "manipulating" your words, and other such bullshit. This is literally the second time I've seen you do this. Maybe instead of blaming us, you should blame your shitty word choice.

Murkwood, fucking please mate.

Yeah, like, what the fuck. Gallup, maybe instead of spouting ignorant bullshit, you should try walking a few miles in our shoes, first.

First off, I'm Murkwood. Secondly, you don't think I haven't thought long and hard about my opinion on this issue? Because I have.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Then what the fuck were you claiming? You seem to have this habit of saying one thing, and then when you get called out on it, trying (and utterly failing) to backtrack, saying that the people who are calling you out are "strawmanning", and "manipulating" your words, and other such bullshit. This is literally the second time I've seen you do this. Maybe instead of blaming us, you should blame your shitty word choice.



Yeah, like, what the fuck. Gallup, maybe instead of spouting ignorant bullshit, you should try walking a few miles in our shoes, first.

First off, I'm Murkwood. Secondly, you don't think I haven't thought long and hard about my opinion on this issue? Because I have.

I've thought long and hard about what 2+2 is and concluded that it was 5.

That's basically your argument.

[WestRedMaple]

You are not being honest. Seriously, instead of continuing to dig your hole, maybe you should actually read my post.

The FACT is that the assertion you claimed is not an assertion I have made. There is no honestly denying that fact. It is found right there in my quote of what you posted.

Then what the fuck were you claiming? You seem to have this habit of saying one thing, and then when you get called out on it, trying (and utterly failing) to backtrack, saying that the people who are calling you out are "strawmanning", and "manipulating" your words, and other such bullshit. This is literally the second time I've seen you do this. Maybe instead of blaming us, you should blame your shitty word choice.

Murkwood, fucking please mate.

Yeah, like, what the fuck. Gallup, maybe instead of spouting ignorant bullshit, you should try walking a few miles in our shoes, first.

There you go again, blaming the victim rather than the person responsible. You falsely attributing things to me is your fault, not mine.

[Simply Tyrone]

You have to feel sorry for people who are so confused in life that they mix up their sex. It's sad, really. If this person was a he at birth, they are a he at death.

Murkwood, fucking please mate.

genomes genomes

nobody really cares

genomes genomes

they only attention

genomes genomes

dress as girls for mama's love

[Murkwood]

First off, I'm Murkwood. Secondly, you don't think I haven't thought long and hard about my opinion on this issue? Because I have.

I've thought long and hard about what 2+2 is and concluded that it was 5.

That's basically your argument.

This is an opinionated question: there is no real right or wrong.

[Simply Tyrone]

First off, I'm Murkwood. Secondly, you don't think I haven't thought long and hard about my opinion on this issue? Because I have.

I've thought long and hard about what 2+2 is and concluded that it was 5.

That's basically your argument.

No argument is direct.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

I've thought long and hard about what 2+2 is and concluded that it was 5.

That's basically your argument.

This is an opinionated question: there is no real right or wrong.

Since science says that you are wrong, you're wrong. This is not an opinionated question, as facts show that you aren't necessarily the same gender as sex.

[Simply Tyrone]

This is an opinionated question: there is no real right or wrong.

Since science says that you are wrong, you're wrong. This is not an opinionated question, as facts show that you aren't necessarily the same gender as sex.

Science also says that the construct of society is doomed, but you don't see people running around praising anarchism.

Oh, wait.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You have to feel sorry for people who are so confused in life that they mix up their sex. It's sad, really. If this person was a he at birth, they are a he at death.

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

[Insensitive People]

She has every legal right to do this.

Moral right? Who cares- I don't care what your opinion of my views is, nor do I care about yours.

Hence my name and motto

And that's not going to get you very far on this site. I'd strongly suggest you re-think why you joined a debate site when you have zero care about anyone elses opinion.

I didn't really make a nation on here to debate others, moreso to play around with the issues. Whilst I am here I like to look in on the threads and read passively and occasionally comment.

Don't like it? That's fine.

[Divitaen]

You have to feel sorry for people who are so confused in life that they mix up their sex. It's sad, really. If this person was a he at birth, they are a he at death.

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

What is Murkwood even saying? People are forced into gender roles because of social conformity and pre-conceived social ideas about what people ought to be based on their biological sex. There are people who feel out of place and that their biologically assigned sex contradicts with what they want to be, and if that is the way they feel why should they be denied the right to change their sex? Besides, the presence of XXY or Y people suggests that sex and gender are not binaries and we should stop thinking of sex as "follow whatever you are assigned". It's not as simple as that.

[Nei Pennsilfaani]

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

Besides, the presence of XXY or Y people suggests that sex and gender are not binaries and we should stop thinking of sex as "follow whatever you are assigned". It's not as simple as that.

Point of order: Monosomy Y is invariably lethal.

[Divitaen]

Besides, the presence of XXY or Y people suggests that sex and gender are not binaries and we should stop thinking of sex as "follow whatever you are assigned". It's not as simple as that.

Point of order: Monosomy Y is invariably lethal.

My mistake. I was referring to Turner's syndrome, which is monosomy X, not Y.

[Esternial]

And that's not going to get you very far on this site. I'd strongly suggest you re-think why you joined a debate site when you have zero care about anyone elses opinion.

I didn't really make a nation on here to debate others, moreso to play around with the issues. Whilst I am here I like to look in on the threads and read passively and occasionally comment.

Don't like it? That's fine.

Edgy as a Googolgon.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

I didn't really make a nation on here to debate others, moreso to play around with the issues. Whilst I am here I like to look in on the threads and read passively and occasionally comment.

Don't like it? That's fine.

Edgy as a Googolgon.

So..... edgy.

[Grenartia]

Then what the fuck were you claiming? You seem to have this habit of saying one thing, and then when you get called out on it, trying (and utterly failing) to backtrack, saying that the people who are calling you out are "strawmanning", and "manipulating" your words, and other such bullshit. This is literally the second time I've seen you do this. Maybe instead of blaming us, you should blame your shitty word choice.



Yeah, like, what the fuck. Gallup, maybe instead of spouting ignorant bullshit, you should try walking a few miles in our shoes, first.

1. First off, I'm Murkwood. 2. Secondly, you don't think I haven't thought long and hard about my opinion on this issue? Because I have.

1. So, what you're saying is, you don't like being called Gallup, despite the fact that we all know you were Gallup? I cannot possibly see any relation this has to the topic at hand...

2. If you had, you'd have arrived at the same conclusions I and others have.

First off, I'm Murkwood. Secondly, you don't think I haven't thought long and hard about my opinion on this issue? Because I have.

I've thought long and hard about what 2+2 is and concluded that it was 5.

That's basically your argument.

Exactly.

Then what the fuck were you claiming? You seem to have this habit of saying one thing, and then when you get called out on it, trying (and utterly failing) to backtrack, saying that the people who are calling you out are "strawmanning", and "manipulating" your words, and other such bullshit. This is literally the second time I've seen you do this. Maybe instead of blaming us, you should blame your shitty word choice.



Yeah, like, what the fuck. Gallup, maybe instead of spouting ignorant bullshit, you should try walking a few miles in our shoes, first.

There you go again, blaming the victim rather than the person responsible. You falsely attributing things to me is your fault, not mine.

Get back to me when you can actually tell me what you were trying to say without trollbaiting me.

I've thought long and hard about what 2+2 is and concluded that it was 5.

That's basically your argument.

This is an opinionated question: there is no real right or wrong.

Except there is. Right is what maximizes happiness and freedom and empowers and respects human life. Wrong minimizes happiness and freedom and belittles and threatens human life.

Your opinion is wrong, like it or not.

This is an opinionated question: there is no real right or wrong.

Since science says that you are wrong, you're wrong. This is not an opinionated question, as facts show that you aren't necessarily the same gender as sex.

This as well. This is about as "opinionated" a question as asking if the Earth is flat.

And that's not going to get you very far on this site. I'd strongly suggest you re-think why you joined a debate site when you have zero care about anyone elses opinion.

I didn't really make a nation on here to debate others, moreso to play around with the issues. Whilst I am here I like to look in on the threads and read passively and occasionally comment.

Don't like it? That's fine.

Speaking purely as a player (as opposed to how Euro was a mod giving you advice), this is a debate forum. If you're not here to debate, then you probably should get off NSG (or at least stick to TET).

Edgy as a Googolgon.

So..... edgy.

Indeed.

Wow. Such edge. So round. Many pointless.

[Papait]

You have to feel sorry for people who are so confused in life that they mix up their sex. It's sad, really. If this person was a he at birth, they are a he at death.

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

and they can act the way they feel, but have no right to alter the body God gave them

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

and they can act the way they feel, but have no right to alter the body God gave them

You do realize lots of cis people are free to do as they please in endless plastic surgeries but we are the sole ones pathologized for wanting similar augmentation, right?

[Immoren]

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

and they can act the way they feel, but have no right to alter the body God gave them

Eris doesnt cre.

[Grenartia]

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

and they can act the way they feel, but have no right to alter the body God gave them

1. This isn't a theocracy.
2. Who are you to speak for God?
3. If what you say is true, then God is a sadistic, hate-filled prick who should be actively opposed instead of worshipped. Why should I give two shits about the wishes of said God?
4. Everything I know about God tells me what you say is not true.

[Dumb Ideologies]

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

and they can act the way they feel, but have no right to alter the body God gave them

Maybe God should come down here and explain why I don't have the right to do what I want with my own body.

[Euroslavia]

And that's not going to get you very far on this site. I'd strongly suggest you re-think why you joined a debate site when you have zero care about anyone elses opinion.

I didn't really make a nation on here to debate others, moreso to play around with the issues. Whilst I am here I like to look in on the threads and read passively and occasionally comment.

Don't like it? That's fine.

What I like or don't like is irrelevant. You started off on the wrong foot and I notified you of such. Take the advice as you will (or don't).

[Fortschritte]

No such thing as a he at birth. People instruct all of them to behave like the older ones, but that only really seduces the majority. Trying to further make this mandatory manages to gather nothing but traumas.

Saying people should be X or Y because of reproductive organs makes as sense as saying people should be X or Y because of other differences in body type.

Yes, some people have psyches that don't match gender role expectations. That is absolutely normal and people will have to get used to that.

and they can act the way they feel, but have no right to alter the body God gave them

Who gave you the authority to determine what rights we have under "God?"