Transgender woman correctly buried as man?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

With the "contemptible excuse for a human being" part?

That I completely stand by.

Read the edit for why I find them contemptible.

The shit that one often encounters in many threads on NSG makes it difficult to keep one's cool. I often wonder how some posters can hold the horrible positions they do and still sleep at night.

[Undivulged Principles]

The dead don't care. The lesson to be learned here is it doesn't matter what you wish to have happen to you after you die. It is no longer up to you. Half the time it isn't up to you before you die, depending on the circumstances surrounding ones demise. I've seen too many incidents where dead people's wishes were ignored to believe that will change any time soon, law or no law.

[Vashta Nerada]

2. I never said you didn't have the right to change your mind. All I said is that by making up your mind, you're biased. And therefore, by your logic, your statements can be taken with a grain of salt.

5. I tell you what. I'll give you a freebie, even though burden of proof technically falls on you because you're claiming it works both ways. When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. Now prove your bullshit claims.

6. You also probably had a fair amount of unspoken expectations to live up to. Your family members most likely held up subtle expectations that you unknowingly picked up on.

7. And this has shit to do with transgender people...how?

You have yet to tell me which claims I made you want me to prove. Though the sig of the guy above me is quite nice. Do your own homework if you feel I'm posting BS claims. If you feel so strongly about them, then you should be just as capable of looking up the facts you believe I made up from thin air and unicorn meat. And in your latter posts, you speak as if you know me personally. All I can say is that you cannot use that line of logic without it being applied both ways. If I picked up the hints my family gave me, then the same applies to gays and lesbians. As for #7, I already explained. To say that society is forcing transgender people to become someone is wrong based on your very own argument. You said I know I was a boy even though my family never voiced them. Likewise, the same applies to transgenders, as they aren't being forced to become anything against their will. So society isn't to blame.

Both nations which had a history of negative attitudes towards LGBT people stemming from domination/influence from colonialism/etc.

Just because they pushed some aspects of equality, or tried to rid themselves of "traditionalism", does not mean they succeeded at ridding themselves (or even tried to rid themselves) of all forms of "traditionalism" or inequality.

True. But to say that religion was a primary factor for the long-held beliefs of a people is wrong. China has never been a religious nation, as shown throughout their history. Most beliefs that originated in China never pushed the belief of deities, with only the oldest and least practiced having gods who themselves were viewed mostly as fictitious beings. So to say religion had a role in their views of homosexuality has no basis.

[MLK]

I applaud the ones brave enough to bury this man as a man. They recognized the problem and did what they could in their power to fix this problem in his death that they couldn't in his life.

[Eleanor Ritas]

That I completely stand by.

Read the edit for why I find them contemptible.

The shit that one often encounters in many threads on NSG makes it difficult to keep one's cool. I often wonder how some posters can hold the horrible positions they do and still sleep at night.

Nanatsu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Super Cat, All of That, Vader's Lady, Never Shady, And Favorite NSG Poster of Jimmy Hong....all puprose Asian guy.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The shit that one often encounters in many threads on NSG makes it difficult to keep one's cool. I often wonder how some posters can hold the horrible positions they do and still sleep at night.

Nanatsu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Super Cat, All of That, Vader's Lady, Never Shady, And Favorite NSG Poster of Jimmy Hong....all puprose Asian guy.

Mysteritas!! Haha, I played with words.

[Eleanor Ritas]

I was just dumped hard by my girlfriend. I was "let go".

Need a list of really sad breakup songs. Already been through Chicago's "If You Leave Me Now" and "Love Hurts" by Nazareth.

Please, anybody. No techno, sorry.

[Eleanor Ritas]

Nanatsu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Super Cat, All of That, Vader's Lady, Never Shady, And Favorite NSG Poster of Jimmy Hong....all puprose Asian guy.

Mysteritas!! Haha, I played with words.

How is the Often Dark But Always Witty Lord of the Sith?

[DaQinguo]

why is this thread still going

[Vashta Nerada]

why is this thread still going

I don't know, but by the unofficial power in me I declare this thread over. Let it be dead and done.

[Threlizdun]

I applaud the ones brave enough to bury this man as a man. They recognized the problem and did what they could in their power to fix this problem in his death that they couldn't in his life.

Aww, you're posting using the avatar of a civil rights advocate while advocating for transphobia, how adorable.

[NeoColumbia]

At least you can say "she" died like a man.

[Grenartia]

2. I never said you didn't have the right to change your mind. All I said is that by making up your mind, you're biased. And therefore, by your logic, your statements can be taken with a grain of salt.

5. I tell you what. I'll give you a freebie, even though burden of proof technically falls on you because you're claiming it works both ways. When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. Now prove your bullshit claims.

6. You also probably had a fair amount of unspoken expectations to live up to. Your family members most likely held up subtle expectations that you unknowingly picked up on.

7. And this has shit to do with transgender people...how?

1. You have yet to tell me which claims I made you want me to prove. 2. Though the sig of the guy above me is quite nice. Do your own homework if you feel I'm posting BS claims. 3. If you feel so strongly about them, 4. then you should be just as capable of looking up the facts you believe I made up from thin air and unicorn meat. 5. And in your latter posts, you speak as if you know me personally. All I can say is that you cannot use that line of logic without it being applied both ways. 6. If I picked up the hints my family gave me, then the same applies to gays and lesbians. As for #7, I already explained. To say that society is forcing transgender people to become someone is wrong based on your very own argument. You said I know I was a boy even though my family never voiced them. 7. Likewise, the same applies to transgenders, as they aren't being forced to become anything against their will. So society isn't to blame.

Both nations which had a history of negative attitudes towards LGBT people stemming from domination/influence from colonialism/etc.

Just because they pushed some aspects of equality, or tried to rid themselves of "traditionalism", does not mean they succeeded at ridding themselves (or even tried to rid themselves) of all forms of "traditionalism" or inequality.

8. True. But to say that religion was a primary factor for the long-held beliefs of a people is wrong. China has never been a religious nation, as shown throughout their history. Most beliefs that originated in China never pushed the belief of deities, with only the oldest and least practiced having gods who themselves were viewed mostly as fictitious beings. So to say religion had a role in their views of homosexuality has no basis.

1. The ones everybody's been demanding you prove, the ones you've been avoiding by saying you don't have to.

2. No, its actually quite stupid. Why should I believe you if you're not willing to prove your claims? To say nothing of the fact that its in your interest to source your claims as its very likely that in "doing our own homework" (a shitty comparison, to say the least, because its YOUR homework, not ours), we won't find what you saw, and instead find things that completely fuck up your argument.

And if neither of those things appeal to you, then why the fuck are you even debating?

3. I can provide sources for any and all claims I make.

4. As I pointed out above, what if I find something that fucks up your argument? How am I supposed to refute whatever facts made you believe what you do if I can't find them? How am I supposed to believe whatever facts made you believe what you do if I can't find them? These considerations are why YOU are supposed to prove your claims, instead of being lazy and expecting us to look for your shit.

5. Please, by all means, elaborate. I only made guesses as to your personal life.

6. Except, you know, not everybody follows those expectations and hints. Nor should they be expected to.

7. But yet, you have no problem with people forcing us to be something we're not?

8. I'm pretty sure 90% of that statement is bullshit. Yes, restrictive interpretations of the Abrahamic religions are to blame, even if the religions themselves never took any significant hold in China, for example, they did play a large role in shaping the nations which influenced China.

I applaud the ones brave enough to bury this man as a man. They recognized the problem and did what they could in their power to fix this problem in his death that they couldn't in his life.

Aww, you're posting using the avatar of a civil rights advocate while advocating for transphobia, how adorable.

Indeed. I'm pretty sure the real MLK would be disgusted by those words. His wife certainly would be.

At least you can say "she" died like a man.

And this is supposed to be...funny?

[Anglo-California]

At least you can say "she" died like a man.

[Liriena]

At least you can say "she" died like a man.

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...I'm sorry. Was I supposed to laugh at that?

[Liriena]

I applaud the ones brave enough to bury this man as a man. They recognized the problem and did what they could in their power to fix this problem in his death that they couldn't in his life.

*sigh*

No.

Not worth it.

[Utceforp]

I applaud the ones brave enough to bury this man as a man. They recognized the problem and did what they could in their power to fix this problem in his death that they couldn't in his life.

People should be allowed to be who they want to be. The people who buried her are not brave, they're disrespectful.

[Liriena]

why is this thread still going

I don't know, but by the unofficial power in me I declare this thread over. Let it be dead and done.

No.

Of all people in here, you are the least morally qualified to declare this thread over. After all the ignorant, dishonest and reprehensible things you've said, you don't get to run away from this debate.

[Liriena]

I applaud the ones brave enough to bury this man as a man. They recognized the problem and did what they could in their power to fix this problem in his death that they couldn't in his life.

People should be allowed to be who they want to be. The people who buried her are not brave, they're disrespectful.

B-But... But... genitals!

[Herskerstad]

At least you can say "she" died like a man.

I did not want to laugh, but......

[Vashta Nerada]

I don't know, but by the unofficial power in me I declare this thread over. Let it be dead and done.

No.

Of all people in here, you are the least morally qualified to declare this thread over. After all the ignorant, dishonest and reprehensible things you've said, you don't get to run away from this debate.

Who said I'm running. And as far as I'm concerned, if the family wanted to cremate him and scatter his ashes over a cemetery of dead puppies, I still wouldn't care. I can say what I want because the law here says so. I can leave when I want how I want. Do your research and prove me wrong, and then whine to me about dishonesty.

[Vashta Nerada]

At least you can say "she" died like a man.

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...I'm sorry. Was I supposed to laugh at that?

Yes, you were. I know I did.

[Neutraligon]

No.

Of all people in here, you are the least morally qualified to declare this thread over. After all the ignorant, dishonest and reprehensible things you've said, you don't get to run away from this debate.

Who said I'm running. And as far as I'm concerned, if the family wanted to cremate him and scatter his ashes over a cemetery of dead puppies, I still wouldn't care. I can say what I want because the law here says so. I can leave when I want how I want. Do your research and prove me wrong, and then whine to me about dishonesty.

you have to prove yourself right first.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Yes, you were. I know I did.

*Kermit looks at the PC*

hauehuauehuahuahuahuahuaehuaehuahuaaahuaehuae

*Kermit is in flames*

wait wha

[Liriena]

No.

Of all people in here, you are the least morally qualified to declare this thread over. After all the ignorant, dishonest and reprehensible things you've said, you don't get to run away from this debate.

Who said I'm running.

I did. Just now.

And as far as I'm concerned, if the family wanted to cremate him and scatter his ashes over a cemetery of dead puppies, I still wouldn't care.

Good for you. It'd be nice if you had the decency to refer to her by the proper pronouns, though.

I can say what I want because the law here says so.

So?

Yeah, you have the right to express your opinion. Nobody has told you otherwise, least of all me. What's the point of that sentence?

I can leave when I want how I want.

You can, but not without consequence. Namely, being perceived as craven, on top of proudly transphobic.

Do your research and prove me wrong, and then whine to me about dishonesty.

I'm not the one who needs to do his research, my sweet, sweet Vashta Nerada. After all, you are the one who has demonstrated a remarkable lack of understanding of gender identity issues.

But, hey, if you want to be pedantic, you have every right to be that way.