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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:00 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I forgot to add that, in opposition to French (and English), calling women "hembra" in Spanish and "fêmea" in Portuguese is an epitome of dehumanizing sexist language. Much like "macho" is seen as a silly chauvinist thing.

It'd be lovely if we expanded that sentiment by making biology use even more technical terms and getting English speakers to stop using male and female to animals, but rather other constructs...


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Postby Kanaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:00 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:You may as well spit upon and trample her corpse.

Some loving family that was, right?

May their own remains be displayed, at funeral, with appropriate disfigurement.

You are just a constant ball of compassion, aren't you?

Doesn't seem relevant to me...
Her family was a bunch of shitheads. I don't care if I seem hateful right now, because sometimes one has to fight fire with fire. They should have respected her identity.
Anglo-California wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I forgot to add that, in opposition to French (and English), calling women "hembra" in Spanish and "fêmea" in Portuguese is an epitome of dehumanizing sexist language. Much like "macho" is seen as a silly chauvinist thing.

It'd be lovely if we expanded that sentiment by making biology use even more technical terms and getting English speakers to stop using male and female to animals, but rather other constructs...


To the engineering department! Feminists and SJWs will never find us there!

Our brains could do that, but they can also learn a language called Ithkuil which does not use the grammatical structures common to most, if not all, human languages. Or a conlang I made called Ghibalbian.
(The point here being that switching the terminology, or adding more terms, in the situations where "male" and "female" would be used in biology, is introducing a new and complicated system. Then again, Finnish and Hungarian exist.)
Also, HetRio, am I reading it correctly that those two words in Spanish and Portuguese do not exactly mean "woman" anymore? I get that they're sexist terms but beyond that, what do they mean?

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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:03 pm

Kanaria wrote:Finnish

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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Murkwood » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:03 pm

Kanaria wrote:
Murkwood wrote:You are just a constant ball of compassion, aren't you?

Doesn't seem relevant to me...
Her family was a bunch of shitheads. I don't care if I seem hateful right now, because sometimes one has to fight fire with fire. They should have respected her identity.
Anglo-California wrote:
To the engineering department! Feminists and SJWs will never find us there!

Our brains could do that, but they can also learn a language called Ithkuil which does not use the grammatical structures common to most, if not all, human languages. Or a conlang I made called Ghibalbian.
(The point here being that switching the terminology, or adding more terms, in the situations where "male" and "female" would be used in biology, is introducing a new and complicated system. Then again, Finnish and Hungarian exist.)
Also, HetRio, am I reading it correctly that those two words in Spanish and Portuguese do not exactly mean "woman" anymore? I get that they're sexist terms but beyond that, what do they mean?

If I was a parent, I would've done the same thing.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:05 pm

WestRedMaple wrote:Female and male refer to sex, not gender, so they aren't really examples of what you describe.

1. prove it

2. how is that not a way to misgender people by claiming "but biology!"? :roll:
Simply Tyrone wrote:What, use xe/xu/xum for animals?

"That cat is a xe, you cishet!"

"What? My cat is a he-"

"GET OUT OF MY ZOOLOGY CLASS!"

1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2

3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C

6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female

Got it?
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:06 pm

The person in the casket was born a man and therefore appropriately buried as such. No amount of slicing, dicing, and makeup will make him something he was not. You don't need to be religious to comprehend that. All the complaining in the world will not change that. He wasn't born with female reproductive organs, and did not have the natural mindset of an actual woman. Giving a 1987 Monte Carlo a new paint job doesn't remove the fact that it's still a crappy 1987 Monte Carlo with a busted engine and poor gas mileage. Getting your penis flayed into a female body part won't remove the fact that your still a man under all the post-op surgeries, boob jobs, and hormone replacement therapy. It's all just one very expensive paint job to hide the truth underneath.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Murkwood wrote:If I was a parent, I would've done the same thing.

Good to know you'd selfishly put your personal opinion above your dead child's identity.
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Postby Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:Female and male refer to sex, not gender, so they aren't really examples of what you describe.

1. prove it

2. how is that not a way to misgender people by claiming "but biology!"? :roll:
Simply Tyrone wrote:What, use xe/xu/xum for animals?

"That cat is a xe, you cishet!"

"What? My cat is a he-"

"GET OUT OF MY ZOOLOGY CLASS!"

1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2

3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C

6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female

Got it?


And why should we do all of that when we have two simple terms; male and female?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Kanaria wrote:Also, HetRio, am I reading it correctly that those two words in Spanish and Portuguese do not exactly mean "woman" anymore? I get that they're sexist terms but beyond that, what do they mean?

Yes.

When men refer to women as "female", it's promptly read as extreme chauvinism.

When women refer to women as "female", it's promptly read as transphobic and anti-black, for the history of animalization of women not historically regarded as humans in full capacity.
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:Female and male refer to sex, not gender, so they aren't really examples of what you describe.

1. prove it

male
māl
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

fe·male
fēˌmāl/Submit
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

There you go.
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Postby Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
Murkwood wrote:If I was a parent, I would've done the same thing.

Good to know you'd selfishly put your personal opinion above your dead child's identity.


And said identity is locked in their genes.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:09 pm

Simply Tyrone wrote:And why should we do all of that when we have two simple terms; male and female?

Then I will continue calling sex a cissexist, dyadist social construct for how it is used.
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:09 pm

Liriena wrote:
Murkwood wrote:If I was a parent, I would've done the same thing.

Good to know you'd selfishly put your personal opinion above your dead child's identity.

Well seeing as how that child was the product of the parent, and the parent is responsible for the dead child's funeral, the parent has every right to put whatever they want on their child's death certificate whether you like it or not.
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Postby Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:10 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Simply Tyrone wrote:And why should we do all of that when we have two simple terms; male and female?

Then I will continue calling sex a cissexist, dyadist social construct for how it is used.


That didn't answer my question at all.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:11 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:male
māl
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

fe·male
fēˌmāl/Submit
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

There you go.

Gender wasn't even a concept applied to human beings before the mid-20th century.

Men and women also historically applied to sex.
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Postby Murkwood » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:11 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:Female and male refer to sex, not gender, so they aren't really examples of what you describe.

1. prove it

2. how is that not a way to misgender people by claiming "but biology!"? :roll:
Simply Tyrone wrote:What, use xe/xu/xum for animals?

"That cat is a xe, you cishet!"

"What? My cat is a he-"

"GET OUT OF MY ZOOLOGY CLASS!"

1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2

3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C

6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female

Got it?

That's a huge overreaction to make sure we don't offend an extremely small minority.

Thank God SJWs will never be put in any position of power.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:11 pm

Simply Tyrone wrote:That didn't answer my question at all.

There you go.

Revolution.

Language matters and is very powerful.
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Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
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Postby Murkwood » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:male
māl
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

fe·male
fēˌmāl/Submit
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

There you go.

Gender wasn't even a concept applied to human beings before the mid-20th century.

Men and women also historically applied to sex.

Wha?
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Simply Tyrone wrote:That didn't answer my question at all.

There you go.

Revolution.

Language matters and is very powerful.


So, you're saying that language is powerful, yet you replace it with numbers?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Murkwood wrote:That's a huge overreaction to make sure we don't offend an extremely small minority.

Thank God SJWs will never be put in any position of power.

Why do you even assume people will speak anything remotely similar to today's English in 300 years from now?
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Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:male
māl
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

fe·male
fēˌmāl/Submit
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

There you go.

Gender wasn't even a concept applied to human beings before the mid-20th century.

Men and women also historically applied to sex.

You asked for proof and I gave it to you. Either accept it or don't.
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Postby Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:13 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Murkwood wrote:That's a huge overreaction to make sure we don't offend an extremely small minority.

Thank God SJWs will never be put in any position of power.

Why do you even assume people will speak anything remotely similar to today's English in 300 years from now?


He didn't say anything about language.
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Postby WestRedMaple » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:13 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:Female and male refer to sex, not gender, so they aren't really examples of what you describe.

1. prove it

2. how is that not a way to misgender people by claiming "but biology!"? :roll:


1.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/male
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/male
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Male
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/female
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/female

2. Easily, since it isn't referencing gender in the first place.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:13 pm

Simply Tyrone wrote:So, you're saying that language is powerful, yet you replace it with numbers?

1, 2, A, B and C are actually nouns-adjectives not coined yet.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Wha?

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Postby Murkwood » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:14 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Murkwood wrote:That's a huge overreaction to make sure we don't offend an extremely small minority.

Thank God SJWs will never be put in any position of power.

Why do you even assume people will speak anything remotely similar to today's English in 300 years from now?

Most people aren't extreme radical SJWs who dedicate their lives to making sure no one could possibly be offended.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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