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by The Union of the West » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:59 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:02 pm
The Union of the West wrote:I never understood why the Ferguson incident caused so much unrest. Police shoot people all the time, so why riot over this one?
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Harpers Ferry » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:02 pm
Potenco wrote:Hetmarch wrote:Any blacks who feel oppressed by affirmative action and all the welfare we give them can go back to their African utopia at any time.
That statement is so goddamned racist and I cant believe you could be so thickheaded and blind. You are deliberately ignoring the multitudes and multitudes of racist lynchings conducted by our nations police department, and horribly obvious economic opression in favor of promoting your own brand of faux-common sense in favor of actually standing for national liberationHow about no, let's not call for the "by any means necessary". All that will do is harm the innocent and do nothing to advance the "cause". This is not a "rebellion" and no one is being "oppressed". So don't compare this incident to the Palestinian plight, because it is no where close.
You don't live here, so you do not know the atmosphere, but there has already been a list of "targets" released, which include the Busch brewery, Botanical gardens, and several hospitals. It is most likely just words, but everyone is so on edge that it is being taken very seriously.
I probably got too intense about the "by any means necessary" statement. However, I dont think there is any serious plan or even anything but limited threats by a tiny minority of protestors to attack botanical gardens. The fact is however, that it is time that people stood up against police brutality in all oppressed communities, and I think the uprising is altogether a great moment in our history
by Hetmarch » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:12 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:The Union of the West wrote:I never understood why the Ferguson incident caused so much unrest. Police shoot people all the time, so why riot over this one?
Mostly because of a) heaps of evidence that show Mike Brown as an innocent man, b) the fact that Darren Wilson was allowed to go on paid vacation while all of this went down, and c) the possibility that we could have a repeat of the infamous Trayvon Martin case.
by Greed and Death » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:14 pm
Ashmoria wrote:from here it looks like the gov of mo is trying to make sure that there is a massive violent riot when the grand jury refuses to indict officer Wilson.
by Potenco » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:16 pm
Hetmarch wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:Mostly because of a) heaps of evidence that show Mike Brown as an innocent man, b) the fact that Darren Wilson was allowed to go on paid vacation while all of this went down, and c) the possibility that we could have a repeat of the infamous Trayvon Martin case.
Mike Brown was caught on video stealing cigars and assaulting a store owner. The media left that out because it goes counter to the narrative. He was not an innocent little boy who dint do nuffin. Trayvon had a criminal record and was a lean user. He knew MMA and was bashing Zimmerman's skull against concrete at the time of the shooting. Stop spreading misinformation.
by Harpers Ferry » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:17 pm
by Beta Test » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:19 pm
by Paddy O Fernature » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:20 pm
Potenco wrote:Hetmarch wrote:
Mike Brown was caught on video stealing cigars and assaulting a store owner. The media left that out because it goes counter to the narrative. He was not an innocent little boy who dint do nuffin. Trayvon had a criminal record and was a lean user. He knew MMA and was bashing Zimmerman's skull against concrete at the time of the shooting. Stop spreading misinformation.
Trayvon Martins "criminal record" was getting caught with pot, which pot smoking is considered a rite of passage with American (white) teens. Its practicaly expected for white teenagers to smoke pot, whereas when a black does it, the media treats it as a valid reason to be stalked and shot.
So what if drank lean, its a pretty common drug. Dangerous for ones personal health absoultely, but everybody gets their rocks off in different ways.
So stealing cigars warrants getting shot? White people shoplift all the time and never get violently attacked or shot for it. The reason why you dont realize how racist this country is is because you are a major part of the problem, and privilege is invisible to those who have it if they are unwilling
by Harpers Ferry » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:27 pm
Potenco wrote:Hetmarch wrote:
Mike Brown was caught on video stealing cigars and assaulting a store owner. The media left that out because it goes counter to the narrative. He was not an innocent little boy who dint do nuffin. Trayvon had a criminal record and was a lean user. He knew MMA and was bashing Zimmerman's skull against concrete at the time of the shooting. Stop spreading misinformation.
Trayvon Martins "criminal record" was getting caught with pot, which pot smoking is considered a rite of passage with American (white) teens. Its practicaly expected for white teenagers to smoke pot, whereas when a black does it, the media treats it as a valid reason to be stalked and shot.
So what if drank lean, its a pretty common drug. Dangerous for ones personal health absoultely, but everybody gets their rocks off in different ways.
So stealing cigars warrants getting shot? White people shoplift all the time and never get violently attacked or shot for it. The reason why you dont realize how racist this country is is because you are a major part of the problem, and privilege is invisible to those who have it if they are unwilling
by Hetmarch » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:28 pm
by Potenco » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:28 pm
Harpers Ferry wrote:Potenco wrote:Trayvon Martins "criminal record" was getting caught with pot, which pot smoking is considered a rite of passage with American (white) teens. Its practicaly expected for white teenagers to smoke pot, whereas when a black does it, the media treats it as a valid reason to be stalked and shot.
So what if drank lean, its a pretty common drug. Dangerous for ones personal health absoultely, but everybody gets their rocks off in different ways.
So stealing cigars warrants getting shot? White people shoplift all the time and never get violently attacked or shot for it. The reason why you dont realize how racist this country is is because you are a major part of the problem, and privilege is invisible to those who have it if they are unwilling
uh, I'm calling bullshit on the rite of passage nonesense. Not even sure where you pulled that out of.
And what the he'll do you mean so what? Is it now acceptable to do heroin or Meth because "everybody gets their rocks off in different ways"?
I honestly have no idea what you're going on about.
by Harpers Ferry » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:30 pm
Potenco wrote:Harpers Ferry wrote:uh, I'm calling bullshit on the rite of passage nonesense. Not even sure where you pulled that out of.
And what the he'll do you mean so what? Is it now acceptable to do heroin or Meth because "everybody gets their rocks off in different ways"?
I honestly have no idea what you're going on about.
That people who use narcotics or steal things dont deserve to be shot in the street, and certainly not without a trial.
by Neutraligon » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:34 pm
Hetmarch wrote:Trayvon's criminal record was not just pot. He had been caught with a burglary tool and stolen property on school grounds before. I never said that stealing cigars should be punishable by death. Trying to grab a cop's gun after being caught and then fleeing is. Why can't you accept that not all blacks are fucking angels?
by Hetmarch » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:45 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Hetmarch wrote:Trayvon's criminal record was not just pot. He had been caught with a burglary tool and stolen property on school grounds before. I never said that stealing cigars should be punishable by death. Trying to grab a cop's gun after being caught and then fleeing is. Why can't you accept that not all blacks are fucking angels?
Source that. As for the rest, there are different witness takes on this.
by Ashmoria » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:46 pm
by Coccygia » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:48 pm
Potenco wrote:I fully respect and give full solidarity to the oppressed participating in the ferguson rebellion. The fact is, our society is so behind that the slogan for the movement is black lives matter, when we should not have to say hose things and they should be obvious. The media portrayal f the protestors as looters is horribly racist, especially when one considers that many activists are guarding small businesses.
The people deserve to fight back by any means necessary and I pray that this will be the beginning of a real movement to eliminate police brutality. Whether it's in Gaza, Aotzi or Ferguson, the machine has t fall and to oppressed must rise up
by Hetmarch » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:50 pm
by Ashmoria » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:51 pm
Hetmarch wrote:Trayvon's criminal record was not just pot. He had been caught with a burglary tool and stolen property on school grounds before. I never said that stealing cigars should be punishable by death. Trying to grab a cop's gun after being caught and then fleeing is. Why can't you accept that not all blacks are fucking angels?
by Potenco » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:51 pm
Coccygia wrote:Potenco wrote:I fully respect and give full solidarity to the oppressed participating in the ferguson rebellion. The fact is, our society is so behind that the slogan for the movement is black lives matter, when we should not have to say hose things and they should be obvious. The media portrayal f the protestors as looters is horribly racist, especially when one considers that many activists are guarding small businesses.
The people deserve to fight back by any means necessary and I pray that this will be the beginning of a real movement to eliminate police brutality. Whether it's in Gaza, Aotzi or Ferguson, the machine has t fall and to oppressed must rise up
Are you kidding or not? It's hard to tell. And WTF is Aotzi?
by Hetmarch » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:52 pm
Ashmoria wrote:Hetmarch wrote:Trayvon's criminal record was not just pot. He had been caught with a burglary tool and stolen property on school grounds before. I never said that stealing cigars should be punishable by death. Trying to grab a cop's gun after being caught and then fleeing is. Why can't you accept that not all blacks are fucking angels?
fleeing the police is not a shooting offense either.
by The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:54 pm
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