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Postby Terra Sector Union » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:36 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
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So by what standard do you claim to be part of the great white race? After all, those members of other races that did something exceptional were just "singular men". If you can even match that then by what standard do you claim to be superior?

I claim to be apart of the superior race because of the way I live, how I carry myself and what I do for the people in my community and in my country as a whole.

Now according to your opinion since you believe to be part of a superior race, do you believe "inferior races" should be wiped out because the superior race deserves their land and resources?
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:37 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:>Implying whites aren't the only ones to colonize.

Their colonization is causing trouble today. Most of the rest the world? Less so.

I'm not claiming that other races have the moral high ground. Just that as far as current problems go, it's definitely European colonization that's fucked things up.


Ottoman and Jewish colonization in the Middle East seemed play a large role in fucking things up.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:37 pm

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It's that Viking heritage, me thinks. The Franks and the Danes did a lot to contribute.

Brits Vikings?! Don't make me laugh. Brits are a mix of French, German, Celts and Anglos.


You're wrong.

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Postby -The West Coast- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:37 pm

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New Stinkonia wrote:This reminds me of that city in Washington state that changed Columbus Day into Native American Day.

And I think all this intense focus on race is cute ̶ and not very intelligent.


Columbus was a slave trader. You can see why a holiday celebrating slavery is a bad idea, right?

A holiday celebrating his discovery, not himself or his beliefs.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:37 pm

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Norstal wrote:I never said it's a good thing. All I'm saying is before the British came, the Chinese Qing empire was fine the way it was. Then everyone needed to industrialize to survive.

You either think industrialization is good and accept that it is the one that is creating modern problems like climate change or admit that there is no superior race. Pick one, not both.


If you feel pre-industrial life is good, then by all means, try it out. But if you want to live industrialized, at least apply some pollution controls to the point where you don't have to shut industry down for a while before hosting an Olympic event to clear the smog out.

And cut profits? No. Again, you forced the world to play your game. We're beating you. You don't get to cry about it. And on top of that, claiming that your race is superior. What utter bullshit, You don't get to go around claiming your ancestor's inventions as the panacea of all maladies and then try to blame others for using those very inventions.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:37 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
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It's that Viking heritage, me thinks. The Franks and the Danes did a lot to contribute.

Brits Vikings?! Don't make me laugh. Brits are a mix of French, German, Celts and Anglos.


Anglos, Germans, some French. Ancestors that are or are related to the Vikings.

I'm moreso talking about the culture too.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:37 pm

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Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:Brits Vikings?! Don't make me laugh. Brits are a mix of French, German, Celts and Anglos.


You're wrong.

Prove it.

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Postby -The West Coast- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:38 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:I claim to be apart of the superior race because of the way I live, how I carry myself and what I do for the people in my community and in my country as a whole.

Now according to your opinion since you believe to be part of a superior race, do you believe "inferior races" should be wiped out because the superior race deserves their land and resources?

No, I don't advocate genocide in any way, shape, or form.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
It's that Viking heritage, me thinks. The Franks and the Danes did a lot to contribute.

Brits Vikings?! Don't make me laugh. Brits are a mix of French, German, Celts and Anglos.


The English (notice how I'm not referring to all Britons here) are a mix of Celts, Romans, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, and Normans.
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Postby The Sons of Adam » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 pm

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Terra Sector Union wrote:Now according to your opinion since you believe to be part of a superior race, do you believe "inferior races" should be wiped out because the superior race deserves their land and resources?

No, I don't advocate genocide in any way, shape, or form.

Lucky, you answered correctly, you were close to being reported by him.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 pm

Anglo-California wrote:Ottoman and Jewish colonization in the Middle East seemed play a large role in fucking things up.

I'll concede that too.

Well, with the Ottomans it was more conquest than colonization. It was pretty multiethnic outside of the occasional attempt to genocide Christians/Armenians/Greeks.

But Jewish colonization certainly, and it's not that the rest of the world is innocent.

Just that when a small collection of societies carves up an entire continent to exploit its resources regardless of the damage to the social infrastructure or people of the area... well, that makes real waves.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 pm

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And that makes you better than non-whites who do the same?

It makes me better than those who don't. And those who do are inherently unequal to me in their efforts because of my status no matter their merits. Its not meant to be racist, its just proven by past precedent.


So you're superior to your commander in chief? He was a teacher, he protects you from enemies foreign and domestic, and he sure as hell is giving back to the US.

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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 pm

Meryuma wrote:
New Stinkonia wrote:This reminds me of that city in Washington state that changed Columbus Day into Native American Day.

And I think all this intense focus on race is cute ̶ and not very intelligent.


Columbus was a slave trader. You can see why a holiday celebrating slavery is a bad idea, right?


Columbus Day does not celebrate slavery.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:The white 'race' has dominated history, according to some. Is this view ahistorical, whatever its (In my opinion, complete lack of) scientific merit? Whatever one's opinion on race, is it true that the cultural construct we generally recognize as the white race has dominated world events, striving forward where other races merely followed? Is it true that certain races have gotten the short end of the historical stick, so to speak, or is it simply that the bias of some leads them to apply current circumstances to history?

In case my tone didn't make it apparent, I'm not a fan of the idea. I think it's morally unsound and has no basis in history; not even in European history.

Discuss.


I find myself in agreement with you that the "White People has dominated history" view is a very ahistorical view in that it is very bottlenecked.

Basically what people who argue this do is that they literally dismiss 90% of human history and anthropology and, instead, make a crass error in historical revisionism.

They also engage in historical determinism, in other words, that just because one race proved to be superior at certain things over history that that race was determined from the get go to be powerful, and that is simply not true. As any history graduate worth its salt knows we don't know that, it might be that other races would (and indeed have) had spheres of influence in other parts of the world or in humanity in general.
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Postby Trygg » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:39 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:Well colonalization is the only reason those countries are civilised today (most of them)

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Postby -Ebola- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:40 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Margno wrote:Yeah, it really hasn't. The white race crashed effected a lot of stuff in colonialism, that's about it.

Well colonalization is the only reason those countries are civilised today (most of them)


That is not true. There was plenty of agrarian civilization before the colonialists showed up.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:41 pm

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-The West Coast- wrote:No, I don't advocate genocide in any way, shape, or form.

Lucky, you answered correctly, you were close to being reported by him.

I actually don't report people on NSG. Unless they talk of pedophila and sexual crimes.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:41 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Columbus was a slave trader. You can see why a holiday celebrating slavery is a bad idea, right?


Columbus Day does not celebrate slavery.


No, Columbus Day celebrates only one of the most despicable assholes who came out of the Iberian peninsula.

Seriously now, Latin Americans have more of a connection with Columbus and we don't celebrate his ass.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:41 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
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You're wrong.

Prove it.


My local area contains quite a few place names that came up due to Viking occupation. Do you think they didn't fuck?

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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:41 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Margno wrote:Yeah, it really hasn't. The white race crashed effected a lot of stuff in colonialism, that's about it.

Well colonalization is the only reason those countries are civilised today (most of them)


The Australian Aborigines were...well...quite...primitive.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:42 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:No, Columbus Day celebrates only one of the most despicable assholes who came out of the Iberian peninsula.

Seriously now, Latin Americans have more of a connection with Columbus and we don't celebrate his ass.

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Postby -The West Coast- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:42 pm

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-The West Coast- wrote:It makes me better than those who don't. And those who do are inherently unequal to me in their efforts because of my status no matter their merits. Its not meant to be racist, its just proven by past precedent.


So you're superior to your commander in chief? He was a teacher, he protects you from enemies foreign and domestic, and he sure as hell is giving back to the US.

He doesn't protect me from enemies foreign and domestic. He sends me to do that for him.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:43 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:
Columbus Day does not celebrate slavery.


No, Columbus Day celebrates only one of the most despicable assholes who came out of the Iberian peninsula.

Seriously now, Latin Americans have more of a connection with Columbus and we don't celebrate his ass.


Columbus didn't enslave anybody. The people who came after him did.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:43 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:He doesn't protect me from enemies foreign and domestic. He sends me to do that for him.

Do you deny that organization and command is an important part of any endeavor?

A military is not an armed mob.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:43 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
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So you're superior to your commander in chief? He was a teacher, he protects you from enemies foreign and domestic, and he sure as hell is giving back to the US.

He doesn't protect me from enemies foreign and domestic. He sends me to do that for him.


Are you superior to your commander in chief?

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