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Postby -The West Coast- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:18 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.

Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.

They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.


What have you invented?

Me personally? Or the White Race?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:19 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What have you invented?

Me personally? Or the White Race?


You personally.

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Postby -The West Coast- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:19 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:Me personally? Or the White Race?


You personally.

I don't have to invent anything to prove my worth.
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Postby Brissia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:20 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:If anything, the "Roman culture" has dominated and influenced history the most. Yet Romans weren't exclusively white.

Such an idea also negates contributions from other cultures, e.g. Arabs and algebra.

Next time you do some algebra - thank an Arab.

Well, they were, it's just that Rome wasn't fun!y composed of white citizens.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:20 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.

Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.

They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.

Or we're just not violent people. We use gunpowder for fireworks and entertainment instead of enslaving others.

Because of white people, we have:

1. Rising income disparity due to industrial revolution
2. Global climate change that threatens the survival of all organisms on Earth

Real inventive there.
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Postby The Sons of Adam » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:20 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What have you invented?

Me personally? Or the White Race?

A Federal Banking system, saving foolish banks since 1913

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:20 pm

Norstal wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:The white 'race' has dominated history, according to some. Is this view ahistorical, whatever its (In my opinion, complete lack of) scientific merit? Whatever one's opinion on race, is it true that the cultural construct we generally recognize as the white race has dominated world events, striving forward where other races merely followed? Is it true that certain races have gotten the short end of the historical stick, so to speak, or is it simply that the bias of some leads them to apply current circumstances to history?

In case my tone didn't make it apparent, I'm not a fan of the idea. I think it's morally unsound and has no basis in history; not even in European history.

Discuss.

I'm so glad China is rising in power so that we can finally end this bullshit about white people being the superior race.

China will not be as strong as any White-majority Superpower for few more centuries. It is like saying, Chad will become a superpower, if it doesn't it's racist.

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Postby -The West Coast- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:21 pm

Norstal wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.

Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.

They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.

Or we're just not violent people. We use gunpowder for fireworks and entertainment instead of enslaving others.

Because of white people, we have:

1. Rising income disparity due to industrial revolution
2. Global climate change that threatens the survival of all organisms on Earth

Real inventive there.

White people weren't the first to use weapons to enslave.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:21 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Norstal wrote:I'm so glad China is rising in power so that we can finally end this bullshit about white people being the superior race.


WOO HOO AN AUTHORITARIAN STATE IS RISING IN POWER JUST SO I CAN FINALLY TELL THOSE WITH RACIST VIEWS, "I TOLD YOU SO".

Never mind the fact that a lot of the things that lead people to conclude that whites are superior are also true of Asians.

Now, you'd have a point of the Great Empire of the Australian Aborigine was a rising world power.

Oh please, it's not like you lived in China. The Chinese state isn't as strong as you think. VPNs bypass internet censorship. Products are sold freely all over the marketplace to the point where blatant knockoffs dominate the original products.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:22 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You personally.

I don't have to invent anything to prove my worth.


So by what standard do you claim to be part of the great white race? After all, those members of other races that did something exceptional were just "singular men". If you can't even match that then by what standard do you claim to be superior?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:22 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.

Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.

They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.

May I remind you that penicillin (A Western invention), was an accident? Numerous chemical formulas were discovered under the practice of alchemy which, while not the occult mumbo-jumbo it's sometimes shown as, rarely achieved what it actually searched for?

Gunpowder in warfare was refined, expanded upon, and used in great quantities by the Mongols who were, may I remind you, Asian. Their inventive and adaptive practices of conquest utterly decimated Christian Eastern Europe, and passed on cannon and gunpowder to the Arabs.

When Europeans went to the Holy Land, they didn't turn up their noses at the local culture and talk about its inferiority (Except, perhaps, insofar as religion was concerned). They gaped in awe at the architecture of the Arabs which outshone anything the backwater of Frankish Europe had, and they brought back those ideas to their own land. Castles as we envision them are very much not white.

For the vast majority of human history, it's been white Europe that's been the backwater. Civilization as we would recognize it starts as far east in Europe as Europe goes, nearly; in Greece. Italy was next due to its proximity to Greece and North Africa, and only spread from there. The whitest parts of Europe have been, until very recently, the most impoverished and farthest from ideals of civilization.

White people have no claim to greatness moreso than any other race. They've gotten at least as much as they've given, if not more.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:22 pm

Brissia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:If anything, the "Roman culture" has dominated and influenced history the most. Yet Romans weren't exclusively white.

Such an idea also negates contributions from other cultures, e.g. Arabs and algebra.

Next time you do some algebra - thank an Arab.

Well, they were, it's just that Rome wasn't fun!y composed of white citizens.


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Postby Dracoria » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:23 pm

Norstal wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.

Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.

They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.

Or we're just not violent people. We use gunpowder for fireworks and entertainment instead of enslaving others.

Because of white people, we have:

1. Rising income disparity due to industrial revolution
2. Global climate change that threatens the survival of all organisms on Earth

Real inventive there.


China's taking those two and trying to outdo the west.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:24 pm

Dracoria wrote:
Norstal wrote:Or we're just not violent people. We use gunpowder for fireworks and entertainment instead of enslaving others.

Because of white people, we have:

1. Rising income disparity due to industrial revolution
2. Global climate change that threatens the survival of all organisms on Earth

Real inventive there.


China's taking those two and trying to outdo the west.

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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:24 pm

Norstal wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.

Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.

They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.

Or we're just not violent people. We use gunpowder for fireworks and entertainment instead of enslaving others.

Because of white people, we have:

1. Rising income disparity due to industrial revolution
2. Global climate change that threatens the survival of all organisms on Earth

Real inventive there.


I notice, people here are quick to chime, that whenever there's a problem like climate change, racism, or inequality, it's the fault of white people. Yet whenever whites make some big discovery or advancement, everyone has to go out of their way to mention a non-white person involved or make it as racially neutral as possible.
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Postby New Stinkonia » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:25 pm

This reminds me of that city in Washington state that changed Columbus Day into Native American Day.

And I think all this intense focus on race is cute ̶ and not very intelligent.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:25 pm

Norstal wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
China's taking those two and trying to outdo the west.

Everyone's forced to play your game. And we're beating you at your game.


You're beating us? Sweet! That means you're on top. When can I start blaming you for shit?
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:26 pm

Norstal wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
China's taking those two and trying to outdo the west.

Everyone's forced to play your game. And we're beating you at your game.


At rising income inequality and pollution? Those don't seem like something to brag about, but if that's your thing, go for it.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:26 pm

Norstal wrote:I'm so glad China is rising in power so that we can finally end this bullshit about white people being the superior race.

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Genghis Khan will rise again, only this time he'll conquer through diplomacy and economic status.

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Postby NERVUN » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:27 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:In my opinion the white race has been significantly dominant for centuries. For hundreds of years we've dictated and discovered, we've founded and fought and settled and brought civilization to significantly uncivilized areas of the world. The past when significant inventions were discovered by, for example, the Chinese and gunpowder were literal coincidences.

Gunpowder was only discovered and invented because a Chinese man mixed several things together trying to make bigger, more powerful fireworks. That isn't to say they're not as smart as we are, they often are just as smart, but it does mean that they're not all amazing inventors or superior people in comparison to my race. It was definitely coincidental.

They definitely can take credit for uncovering various important academic tools like algebra, but those were singular men, not the entire race of people, and often times those great thinkers were educated by Europeans and their tools taken and improved upon by Europeans to be more efficient in the future.

May I remind you that penicillin (A Western invention), was an accident? Numerous chemical formulas were discovered under the practice of alchemy which, while not the occult mumbo-jumbo it's sometimes shown as, rarely achieved what it actually searched for?

Gunpowder in warfare was refined, expanded upon, and used in great quantities by the Mongols who were, may I remind you, Asian. Their inventive and adaptive practices of conquest utterly decimated Christian Eastern Europe, and passed on cannon and gunpowder to the Arabs.

When Europeans went to the Holy Land, they didn't turn up their noses at the local culture and talk about its inferiority (Except, perhaps, insofar as religion was concerned). They gaped in awe at the architecture of the Arabs which outshone anything the backwater of Frankish Europe had, and they brought back those ideas to their own land. Castles as we envision them are very much not white.

For the vast majority of human history, it's been white Europe that's been the backwater. Civilization as we would recognize it starts as far east in Europe as Europe goes, nearly; in Greece. Italy was next due to its proximity to Greece and North Africa, and only spread from there. The whitest parts of Europe have been, until very recently, the most impoverished and farthest from ideals of civilization.

White people have no claim to greatness moreso than any other race. They've gotten at least as much as they've given, if not more.

I had a professor who noted that the main thing that Europeans can lay claim to is taking three (or four) separate inventions from various cultures and making superior ships. At the time, having those ships, capable of navigating around the world made all the difference.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:27 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Norstal wrote:Everyone's forced to play your game. And we're beating you at your game.


You're beating us? Sweet! That means you're on top. When can I start blaming you for shit?

As soon as there's a KKK version for Chinese people.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:27 pm

So the chinese guy is blaming White race for all the bad things in the world and now he is saying that China is beating us at it.

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Postby -Ebola- » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:27 pm

I don't think white people led the way in developing African civilization or forging the relationship between our two species, but I could be wrong because I do sometimes have trouble telling one race from another. It's hard to see skin color from inside the body, especially when I don't have eyes.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:28 pm

Norstal wrote:Everyone's forced to play your game. And we're beating you at your game.

No, Japan beat them at their own game. For a while, at least; it seems to be treading water now. South Korea beat them at their own game.

China's trying to bluff with a one-pair.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:28 pm

Norstal wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:
You're beating us? Sweet! That means you're on top. When can I start blaming you for shit?

As soon as there's a KKK version for Chinese people.


You mean other than the current dictatorship in China that doesn't take too kindly to non-Chinese people, especially Tibetans and Kirghiz?
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