Worst Leader your (RL) Country ever had?

[Kargintina]

Jimmy Carter

[Lindenburgh]

The second George Bush

[Kingdom of Viana]

Jimmy Carter

It's about time someone agreed that Jimmy Carter was a complete loser.

[Kingdom of Viana]

Lincoln, FDR and Obama.

The greatest tyrants America has ever known!

I agree on Obama, meh on FDR, but why Lincoln?

[Kingdom of Viana]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

[Lunas Legion]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

1- Evidence?

2- There's no ' in Obama. And he had a shitty starting point, TBH, which doesn't help.

3- Makes him a terrible person; not a terrible leader.

[Estado Nacional]

3- Makes him a terrible person; not a terrible leader.

If rigging the election doesn't make you a terrible leader, I don't know what does.

[Jetan]

I'm going to say Tarja Halonen. Pretty much the only thing of note she did during her 12 years in office was jeopardize our national defence by taking us into the Ottawa treaty. In addition to that, when it comes to Russia she was (and continues to be) nothing but an asskisser.

[Conscentia]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

Andrew Jackson supported slavery and is responsible for the trail of tears, but you think Obama is worse?

And IIRC, Congress is responsible for economic and immigration policies - the president just signs the laws to make them legal. ie. Blame congress, not the president.

[Lunas Legion]

3- Makes him a terrible person; not a terrible leader.

If rigging the election doesn't make you a terrible leader, I don't know what does.

Rigging the election just means you've rigged the election. It has no effect on whether the actions taken whilst in power are good or not.

[Kingdom of Viana]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

1- Evidence?

2- There's no ' in Obama. And he had a shitty starting point, TBH, which doesn't help.

3- Makes him a terrible person; not a terrible leader.

Ok how about we talk about what made these leaders terrible instead of correcting my grammar. And rigging the election does make you a bad leader.

Plus he not only had a shitty starting point, he's done a shitty job the entire time in office.

[Kingdom of Viana]

If rigging the election doesn't make you a terrible leader, I don't know what does.

Rigging the election just means you've rigged the election. It has no effect on whether the actions taken whilst in power are good or not.

That makes him a bad leader because he was dishonest with his own people. And each individual vote is somebody's voice, and by ignoring that, which is what JFK did, you are ignoring the people's needs. Thus making him a bad leader.

[Uieurnthlaal]

In terms of recent presidents, I would probably have to choose Reagan, for a number of reasons. His administration's approach to fighting communism was, for lack of a better word, despicable, what with the Iran-Contra affair, funding of atrocities in Honduras (Battalion 3-16), and support for the Gaddafi-esque military junta in Guatemala. Furthermore, his economic policy laid the grounds for an increase in wealth disparity, widealy implicated as a cause of the current economic stagnation, combined with the ineffectual "War on Drugs".
However, as a whole, I would probably choose Lincoln's successor, Andrew Johnson. He is arguably the single greatest cause of race issues's continuation into the present day.

[Dracoria]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

Andrew Jackson supported slavery and is responsible for the trail of tears, but you think Obama is worse?

And IIRC, Congress is responsible for economic and immigration policies - the president just signs the laws to make them legal. ie. Blame congress, not the president.

Unless the president pushes rules through executive order, as seems to be the goal with immigration.

[Camelza]

Mussolini in the monarchic time, Berlusconi in the republican yime. The worst is Mussolini

I'm curious, why hasn't anyone mentioned Giulio Andreotti though? A lot of people seem to take issues with his political corruption, his alleged cosying up to the Mafia and his involvement in Operation Gladio and etc.

Shhhh! don't talk about the one-that-must-not-be-named. ...You might end up with cement shoes 6 yards out of Napoli's port.

[Sebastianbourg]

I'm going to say Tarja Halonen. Pretty much the only thing of note she did during her 12 years in office was jeopardize our national defence by taking us into the Ottawa treaty. In addition to that, when it comes to Russia she was (and continues to be) nothing but an asskisser.

But isn't the Finnish President ceremonial in the same way our Queen has no power? If she did absolutely nothing then I don't think she'd be the worst leader in Finnish history.

[Jordsindia]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

Andrew Jackson supported slavery and is responsible for the trail of tears, but you think Obama is worse?

And IIRC, Congress is responsible for economic and immigration policies - the president just signs the laws to make them legal. ie. Blame congress, not the president.

To be fair, most people in that time supported slavery, I wouldn't hold it against anyone.

[Laerod]

Andrew Jackson supported slavery and is responsible for the trail of tears, but you think Obama is worse? :eyebrow:

And IIRC, Congress is responsible for economic and immigration policies - the president just signs the laws to make them legal. ie. Blame congress, not the president.

Unless the president pushes rules through executive order, as seems to be the goal with immigration.

Kinda hard to argue that Obama is the worst President when you have to go back all the way to Grover Cleveland to find someone that issued fewer executive orders per day.

[Laerod]

Andrew Jackson supported slavery and is responsible for the trail of tears, but you think Obama is worse? :eyebrow:

And IIRC, Congress is responsible for economic and immigration policies - the president just signs the laws to make them legal. ie. Blame congress, not the president.

To be fair, most people in that time supported slavery, I wouldn't hold it against anyone.

No. No. No. Bad.

That slavery was bad and that slavers should therefore feel bad was a given. This is why George Washington is an attempted felon: Rather than use the legal means afforded him by the Fugitive Slave Act that he signed into law, Washington preferred not to go the public route to retreive the escaped slave Oney Judge because that would have made him look bad. Instead the fucker sent his nephew Burwell Basset Jr. to convince her to return and kidnap her if that failed.

[The Cobalt Sky]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

I feel like you really need to rethink what you've proposed, considering the amount of presidents that owned slaves. Here are just five:

Zachary Taylor
Andrew Jackson
Andrew Johnson
John Tyler
William Henry Harrison

[Jetan]

I'm going to say Tarja Halonen. Pretty much the only thing of note she did during her 12 years in office was jeopardize our national defence by taking us into the Ottawa treaty. In addition to that, when it comes to Russia she was (and continues to be) nothing but an asskisser.

But isn't the Finnish President ceremonial in the same way our Queen has no power? If she did absolutely nothing then I don't think she'd be the worst leader in Finnish history.

With the new constitution President lost most of the power they used to have, but it's not purely ceremonial and the sitting president does have influence on many things, including foreign policy. Ottawa treaty was sort of a pet Project for Halonen. And she did practically nothing but take us into that treaty, and that was so irresponsible as to border on criminal negligence.

[Conscentia]

Andrew Jackson supported slavery and is responsible for the trail of tears, but you think Obama is worse?
And IIRC, Congress is responsible for economic and immigration policies - the president just signs the laws to make them legal. ie. Blame congress, not the president.

To be fair, most people in that time supported slavery, I wouldn't hold it against anyone.

Given that the British Empire passed an act abolishing slavery early during Jackson's presidency, I certainly would.

[Arkinesia]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

I feel like you really need to rethink what you've proposed, considering the amount of presidents that owned slaves. Here are just five:

Zachary Taylor
Andrew Jackson
Andrew Johnson
John Tyler
William Henry Harrison

And none of them actively worked to split the country in half.

[Kingdom of Viana]

My revised list -

1. Jimmy Carter, Terrible economic decisions.

2. Barack O'bama, bad decisions towards towards the economy and immigration

3. John F. Kennedy, family rigged the 1960 election through the Irish Mafia buying votes, also cheated on his wife with Marilyn Monroe will Jackie was away.

Andrew Jackson supported slavery and is responsible for the trail of tears, but you think Obama is worse?

And IIRC, Congress is responsible for economic and immigration policies - the president just signs the laws to make them legal. ie. Blame congress, not the president.

Yes, Obama is worse. when I judge a president, I don't care if they owned slaves. Jefferson owned slaves but was against it.

[Kingdom of Viana]

Unless the president pushes rules through executive order, as seems to be the goal with immigration.

Kinda hard to argue that Obama is the worst President when you have to go back all the way to Grover Cleveland to find someone that issued fewer executive orders per day.

Obama is worse since he goes against the wishes of his own people by abusing executive order. EX: Immigration.