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Victor Siege
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Postby Victor Siege » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:10 am

Old Craet wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Also the overwhelming centralization dispute certainly didn't help to cool heads in the mid-19th. Nixon was a good leader, in my opinion. Well, until Watergate. But because he tried to cheat doesn't mean that before that moment he was a bad leader. He manoeuvred the Russians into disadvantage in a diplomatic sense and began setting up the eventual downfall of the USSR through the process of the Cold War arms race that was later taken up by Reagan.

Yeah, but then again, Nixon pulling us out of 'Nam had its problems. When the soldiers, who dealt with shit no one had truly experienced yet (Damn Guerrilla Viet Cong), came home, many people were fucking asshat douchebag bastards to them. I don't know about you, but if anything, one of the worst things you can do I be a asshole to a returning soldier. Now if Nixon had been a little smarter about this, then people wouldn't have been asshats. Yeah, Civil War is bad, but insulting a returning soldiers is worse. In my opinion. But if anything, Mr. Josef Stalin was possibly the worst leader ever.


Nixon was a bad leader because other people were jerks?
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FutureAmerica
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Postby FutureAmerica » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:11 am

George W. Bush

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Victor Siege
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Postby Victor Siege » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:11 am

FutureAmerica wrote:George W. Bush


lol
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The first Carthage
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Postby The first Carthage » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:12 am

Any president from 1865-1914 (because they did pretty much nothing but sucked) USA.
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Postby Mirchusko » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:12 am

Obvious choice: Dubya.

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Postby Old Craet » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:12 am

Victor Siege wrote:
Old Craet wrote:Yeah, but then again, Nixon pulling us out of 'Nam had its problems. When the soldiers, who dealt with shit no one had truly experienced yet (Damn Guerrilla Viet Cong), came home, many people were fucking asshat douchebag bastards to them. I don't know about you, but if anything, one of the worst things you can do I be a asshole to a returning soldier. Now if Nixon had been a little smarter about this, then people wouldn't have been asshats. Yeah, Civil War is bad, but insulting a returning soldiers is worse. In my opinion. But if anything, Mr. Josef Stalin was possibly the worst leader ever.


Nixon was a bad leader because other people were jerks?

His policies of
'Lets bring back soldiers who have been to hell when people right now hate them' was a shitty idea.
Plus Watergate. Corruption is the mark of a terrible leader.
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Postby Victor Siege » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:14 am

Old Craet wrote:
Victor Siege wrote:
Nixon was a bad leader because other people were jerks?

His policies of
'Lets bring back soldiers who have been to hell when people right now hate them' was a shitty idea.
Plus Watergate. Corruption is the mark of a terrible leader.


I'm not sure leaving them there would have been preferable.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:15 am

The first Carthage wrote:Any president from 1865-1914 (because they did pretty much nothing but sucked) USA.

So racial equality (attempted), workers rights, food & medicinal regulation, infrastructure regulation, immigration reform, the expansion of safety codes, and womens suffrage is sucky?
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Postby Old Craet » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:15 am

Victor Siege wrote:
Old Craet wrote:His policies of
'Lets bring back soldiers who have been to hell when people right now hate them' was a shitty idea.
Plus Watergate. Corruption is the mark of a terrible leader.


I'm not sure leaving them there would have been preferable.

It sucked either way. All in all the 'Nam war was a shitfest, but he could've sent them to Japan (Where we had peace), and then brought them home as the hate subsided.
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Postby New East Norfolk » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:16 am

Victor Siege wrote:
New East Norfolk wrote: The Catholic traitors did not deserve life, they were the scum of the earth and needed to be killed. Killing them made him a hero.


And then Jesus said "BTW, kill people from other religions"
I'm no theologian but God never seemed to have any trouble with stoning unbelievers in the old testament and the eternal torture told in the new testament is even harsher. If God is so harsh on unbelievers why would he anything against killing heretics?
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Postby Colarias » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:17 am

Canada
Pierre Elliot Trudeau, simply put.

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Everyone after Maurice Duplessis.
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Postby Alyakia » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:17 am

New East Norfolk wrote:
Victor Siege wrote:
And then Jesus said "BTW, kill people from other religions"
I'm no theologian but God never seemed to have any trouble with killing unbelievers in the old testament and the eternal torture told in the new testament is even harsher. If God is so harsh on unbelievers why would he anything against killing heretics?


well you see

there was this thing

it's called the new testament

you might have heard of it
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Postby Lolomz » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:19 am

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The zombie empire
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Postby The zombie empire » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:19 am



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Postby Mefpan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:20 am

That fucking Bohemian Corporal. Left us with what's likely to be over a century of war guilt, a destroyed reputation, millions of dead, another quarter of our nation shaved off and a third of the remaining bits left to Soviet exploitation.

But hey, I could be wrong. I mean, after all the bastard killed Hitler, so there's that.
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Postby Victor Siege » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:21 am

New East Norfolk wrote:
Victor Siege wrote:
And then Jesus said "BTW, kill people from other religions"
I'm no theologian but God never seemed to have any trouble with stoning unbelievers in the old testament and the eternal torture told in the new testament is even harsher. If God is so harsh on unbelievers why would he anything against killing heretics?


There's an interesting passage in the Bible. Maybe you've heard of it. It's called the sixth commandment and it kind of has something to say about what you're advocating.
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Postby Old Craet » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:22 am

Mefpan wrote:That fucking Bohemian Corporal. Left us with what's likely to be over a century of war guilt, a destroyed reputation, millions of dead, another quarter of our nation shaved off and a third of the remaining bits left to Soviet exploitation.

But hey, I could be wrong. I mean, after all the bastard killed Hitler, so there's that.

Stalin. Way worse. Hitler at least made good choices that didn't kill +18 million people during industrializing. And Himmler was the true Evil of the Reich. Hitler was bad, but Himmler and Stalin were worse.
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Postby New East Norfolk » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:22 am

Alyakia wrote:
New East Norfolk wrote: I'm no theologian but God never seemed to have any trouble with killing unbelievers in the old testament and the eternal torture told in the new testament is even harsher. If God is so harsh on unbelievers why would he anything against killing heretics?


well you see

there was this thing

it's called the new testament

you might have heard of it
God doesn't change, idolatry leads to hell and stopping Churches preaching Idolatry by any means necessary is justified to prevent the spread of the damnable sin of Idolatry.
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Postby Old Craet » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:23 am

Victor Siege wrote:
New East Norfolk wrote: I'm no theologian but God never seemed to have any trouble with stoning unbelievers in the old testament and the eternal torture told in the new testament is even harsher. If God is so harsh on unbelievers why would he anything against killing heretics?


There's an interesting passage in the Bible. Maybe you've heard of it. It's called the sixth commandment and it kind of has something to say about what you're advocating.

Thou shalt not kill?

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Victor Siege
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Postby Victor Siege » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:23 am

Old Craet wrote:
Victor Siege wrote:
There's an interesting passage in the Bible. Maybe you've heard of it. It's called the sixth commandment and it kind of has something to say about what you're advocating.

Thou shalt not kill?


THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:23 am

How are we judging worst? Incompetence? Harm? Both?

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Alyakia
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Postby Alyakia » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:23 am

Old Craet wrote:
Mefpan wrote:That fucking Bohemian Corporal. Left us with what's likely to be over a century of war guilt, a destroyed reputation, millions of dead, another quarter of our nation shaved off and a third of the remaining bits left to Soviet exploitation.

But hey, I could be wrong. I mean, after all the bastard killed Hitler, so there's that.

Stalin. Way worse. Hitler at least made good choices that didn't kill +18 million people when it came to industrializing. And Himmler was the true Evil of the Reich. Hitler was bad, but Himmler and Stalin were worse.


hitler didn't need to industrialize because germany was already an industrialized country.
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Postby Servinta » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:23 am

Abraham Lincoln (he stepped on everyone's rights to the point of the civil war being inevitable and abolishing slavery was just a side note for him)

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Postby Old Craet » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:24 am

Victor Siege wrote:
Old Craet wrote:Thou shalt not kill?


THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

THOU SHALT NOT KILL!

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