Rosetta mission scientist Dr Matt Taylor persecuted by SJWs

[Ostroeuropa]

If they don't like it they can ignore it.

As you can ignore anyone who doesn't like this shirt.

His wife made it for him supposedly,

Dr. Taylor's relationship to the person who made the shirt seems to change from moment to moment. His wife, his friend, his girlfriend, what's next? Is she his mother too? His daughter? His accountant?

he has a right to wear it if he wants to.

As people have a right to complain, if they want to.

No-one complains if a woman wears a shirt with a muscular man twerking on the front.

You can show us an example of a woman wearing a shirt like that so we can see for ourselves that no one complains?

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I DONT agree with that. I reject that premise.
It's only a focus because i'm demanding a lack of enforcement, not enforcement. The enforcement dissuades people. As such, we should focus on ending that enforcement, then stop giving a fuck.

So you want to enforce a different sort of dress code with the same ultimate goal in mind, basically.

By the way, i'm consistent about it. The feminists aren't. They only take up this position when it's a woman involved.

Dr. Matt Taylor is a woman? This is the first I'm hearing of it.

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The main problem with this whole "scandal" is that people who actually are productive have to listen to the dribble coming out of the mouths of fools and parasites. Welcome to the tyranny of the social network.

Mr. Taylor is a productive member of the global society: thanks to his efforts humanity will continue to race towards the stars, conquering new resources, developing new technologies that, in due time, will benefit all mankind.

The lady who launched this whole "scandal", on the other hand, is someone who does not contribute with anything but hatred, divisiveness and obscurity. She, and her "friends", are the inquisition of the modern world.

Make no mistake, she only tweeted what she did in order to get publicity, a true parasite of society. "The Atlantic" should fire her for this senseless and unprovoked attack on such a fine scientist.

As for the rest of what the internet has dubbed "social justice warriors", we should ignore them, for they represent nothing and nobody. If we all push them to the fringes of society, where parasites belong, the problem will finally be over. No publicity = No Vain SJW's.

If you're going to advocate that we ignore parasites and only pay attention to those who are productive in society then maybe you should start by showing us your own credentials, lest we take you for a parasite and ignore the "dribble"(did you mean drivel?) coming out of your mouth.

The lack of a dress code is not a dress code. It's trite to pretend otherwise.
Enforcing a dress code and not enforcing one because it's culturally oppressive are not the same position.
You can try and make out i'm no better than the feminists, but you're wrong.

[Central Slavia]

Oh?
Name any men's rights activists actually posting here. Neither TJ, me or Ostro are that...

Nah, you've just got webbed feet and a bill and like to splash around in the water. I'm sure you're all platypuses.

I can't speak for the other two, but I'm decisively against MRAs, for the same reason I'm anti-feminist - they focus on the wrong thing, basically playing right into the bourgeoisie's "divide and conquer" game. Most of the genuine issues presented by both sides would go away with abolishment of capitalism and estabilishing a socialist people's democracy.

E: That said, I do like to splash about in water, and I got a number of bills (housing, most importantly)

[Settrah]

So basically, radical feminists thinks that this man deserved to be assaulted, because of what he was wearing?

Sounds familiar.

Hypocritical to the core. I know there's probably backstory, context, sociohistorical factors as a front for excuses denial and flipflopping, and a whole bunch of exciting buzzwords in dozen or so pages back. But I'm wagering this is all I really need to understand, to get the general idea.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh?
Name any men's rights activists actually posting here. Neither TJ, me or Ostro are that...

Nah, you've just got webbed feet and a bill and like to splash around in the water. I'm sure you're all platypuses.

How much clearer can I be on why i'm not an MRA?
If I went around insisting all nazis (PUAs and such) are feminists and then up and decided on top of that, that anyone who argued against me was a feminist because feminists often argue against me, and kept pushing that idea, it'd be fucking stupid.

And yet, here you are, doing the same thing.

[Ifreann]

So you agree that people can be expected to dress a certain way when representing their organisation publicly, contrary to your earlier position that there can be no acceptable rationale for a dress code except safety.

The way, however, is up to them and their organization to decide. Also, I like how Ostro walked right into this one, but yeah, dress vs speech content is, as i said already, about as different as what you say in a thread, and what your site avatar can be.

Yeah, and that was wrong the first time you said it too.

Despite all your earlier complaints about people focusing on fashion like a gossip magazine, you think there should be a focus on fashion so as to encourage all those interested and capable to pursue careers as scientists. Which is not so different from what feminists have, as far as I can see, been saying from the start.

And once again, this is bullshit. Nobody, outside of a number of people full of dogma are discouraged (or claiming others are) from entering science because of this dude's shirt.

And why should I believe you?

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If you're going to advocate that we ignore parasites and only pay attention to those who are productive in society then maybe you should start by showing us your own credentials, lest we take you for a parasite and ignore the "dribble"(did you mean drivel?) coming out of your mouth.

I dunno, unlike the SJW nutters, he isn't bossing people at the cutting edge of science around.

Oh, he is. And also everyone else.

I mean, seriously "I don't care if you have landed on a comet, your shirt is sexist" is one of the most efficient forms of packing stupidity into a sentence i have seen in ages.

Does landing something on a comet change whether his shirt is sexist?

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As you can ignore anyone who doesn't like this shirt.

Dr. Taylor's relationship to the person who made the shirt seems to change from moment to moment. His wife, his friend, his girlfriend, what's next? Is she his mother too? His daughter? His accountant?

As people have a right to complain, if they want to.

You can show us an example of a woman wearing a shirt like that so we can see for ourselves that no one complains?

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So you want to enforce a different sort of dress code with the same ultimate goal in mind, basically.

Dr. Matt Taylor is a woman? This is the first I'm hearing of it.

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If you're going to advocate that we ignore parasites and only pay attention to those who are productive in society then maybe you should start by showing us your own credentials, lest we take you for a parasite and ignore the "dribble"(did you mean drivel?) coming out of your mouth.

The lack of a dress code is not a dress code. It's trite to pretend otherwise.
Enforcing a dress code and not enforcing one because it's culturally oppressive are not the same position.

The similarities are wonderfully amusing, though. You agree that how people dress could discourage some from entering the field. You agree that people should dress to counter that. But the way you want people dressing is "However they please as long as it's safe".

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So basically, radical feminists thinks that this man deserved to be assaulted, because of what he was wearing?

Sounds familiar.

Hypocritical to the core. I know there's probably backstory, context, sociohistorical factors as a front for excuses denial and flipflopping, and a whole bunch of exciting buzzwords in dozen or so pages. But I'm wagering this is all I really need to understand, to get the general idea.

holy shit people seriously need to knock this shit off. do you think you're original and funny? do you actually think being raped and being told that maybe you should have just kept your uniform on during what is essentially a PR conference for an intergovernmental agency that also happens to be broadcasting live to the entire world and the respective funding governments and their leaders? (instead of taking it off, putting on a shirt, then putting it back on again) have you not been paying attention to the internet for the past few years, don't actually know what you're saying implies and just saw someone else say it and thought it was the cool hip thing to do?

do you think that when prince harry said that he was sorry for offence he caused and that maybe dressing up as a nazi wasn't a good idea that "wow? wow?! so he deserves to be told that his choice of costume was dumb for dressing that way?!" would have been a good response? that if someone shows up to a meeting with a my little pony t-shirt and shorts and he gets told to fuck off and come back in a proper outfit the fucking president is going to see you what the fuck do you think you're doing that "so he deserves it for dressing like that? huh? didn't realize you were such a hypocrite..." is in any way a reasonable comparison?

there's a good chance you're just trolling but fuck it there''s probably one person out there that actually believes this. #yolo

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Nah, you've just got webbed feet and a bill and like to splash around in the water. I'm sure you're all platypuses.

How much clearer can I be on why i'm not an MRA?

Yeah, yeah, you've got your post-gender thing or whatever that manifests primarily as bitching about feminists and the odd token comment about other groups. Close enough.

[Gauthier]

How much clearer can I be on why i'm not an MRA?

It's like trying to call Colgate and Crest two different things even though they're both toothpaste. For all your claims about being Beyond Gender or some metaphysical shit like that, you still bitch primarily about feminists just like any other MRA.

[Settrah]

Yeah, yeah, you've got your post-gender thing or whatever that manifests primarily as bitching about feminists and the odd token comment about other groups. Close enough.

Not so much bitching about feminism. Simply pointing out that the feminists assaulted someone simply because of 'what they were wearing'.

Think about that for a second.

[Gauthier]

Yeah, yeah, you've got your post-gender thing or whatever that manifests primarily as bitching about feminists and the odd token comment about other groups. Close enough.

Not so much bitching about feminism. Simply pointing out that the feminists assaulted someone simply because of 'what they were wearing'.

Think about that for a second.

The pattern goes well beyond one thread, but hey he knows who he's talking about and you don't.

[Central Slavia]

How much clearer can I be on why i'm not an MRA?

It's like trying to call Colgate and Crest two different things even though they're both toothpaste. For all your claims about being Beyond Gender or some metaphysical shit like that, you still bitch primarily about feminists just like any other MRA.

Thankfully, MRAs are a marginal nutter group. There isn't much to bitch about them, unless they pull the sort of shit like we seen last time with essentially RL phishing a charity donation campaign.

[Settrah]

Not so much bitching about feminism. Simply pointing out that the feminists assaulted someone simply because of 'what they were wearing'.

Think about that for a second.

The pattern goes well beyond one thread, but hey he knows who he's talking about and you don't.

Clarify. Plus. I don't see what this phrase has anything to do, with the point that I made.

[Gauthier]

It's like trying to call Colgate and Crest two different things even though they're both toothpaste. For all your claims about being Beyond Gender or some metaphysical shit like that, you still bitch primarily about feminists just like any other MRA.

Thankfully, MRAs are a marginal nutter group. There isn't much to bitch about them, unless they pull the sort of shit like we seen last time with essentially RL phishing a charity donation campaign.

And even then they try to cover up embarassing moments like that by derailing discussion into their favorite bukkake topic, the Evils of Feminism and the Subjugation of Men Since the Dawn of Time.

[Gauthier]

The pattern goes well beyond one thread, but hey he knows who he's talking about and you don't.

Clarify. Plus. I don't see what this phrase has anything to do, with the point that I made.

He's talking about Ostro behaving pretty much like any other MRA as a poster, and you're focusing on one topic as if that was the only thing to go on.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, yeah, you've got your post-gender thing or whatever that manifests primarily as bitching about feminists and the odd token comment about other groups. Close enough.

Not so much bitching about feminism. Simply pointing out that the feminists assaulted someone simply because of 'what they were wearing'.

Think about that for a second.

You're days late on this shit, mate, just give up.

[Zottistan]

How much clearer can I be on why i'm not an MRA?

It's like trying to call Colgate and Crest two different things even though they're both toothpaste. For all your claims about being Beyond Gender or some metaphysical shit like that, you still bitch primarily about feminists just like any other MRA.

Bitching about feminism is not the defining feature of MRAs.

[Settrah]

He's talking about Ostro behaving pretty much like any other MRA as a poster, and you're focusing on one topic as if that was the only thing to go on.

You're days late on this shit, mate, just give up.

Personally I think you two need to chillax a bit, and realize that I had literally just joined this discussion/thread as an independent person, with what were my own thoughts on the topic. Not for the purpose of engaging in whatever silly feuds you two like to pursue.

Go out and get some air or something.

[Central Slavia]

The way, however, is up to them and their organization to decide. Also, I like how Ostro walked right into this one, but yeah, dress vs speech content is, as i said already, about as different as what you say in a thread, and what your site avatar can be.

Yeah, and that was wrong the first time you said it too.

Because you said so, right?
Yeah, no. The two situations (content of speech vs. dress | content of post vs. avatar/signature) are analogous.

And once again, this is bullshit. Nobody, outside of a number of people full of dogma are discouraged (or claiming others are) from entering science because of this dude's shirt.

And why should I believe you?

The question is ,why should I believe you? You're on the side asserting a huge negative impact to something this trite, and you are asserting it applies to all women, not just dogmatic feminists.

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I dunno, unlike the SJW nutters, he isn't bossing people at the cutting edge of science around.

Oh, he is. And also everyone else.

[citation needed]

I mean, seriously "I don't care if you have landed on a comet, your shirt is sexist" is one of the most efficient forms of packing stupidity into a sentence i have seen in ages.

Does landing something on a comet change whether his shirt is sexist?

First of all, it isn't.
Second, it's getting disproportionate focus. It's the equivalent of press who, when some sort of a female scientist/engineer/politician goes off to do something important in public, and all the press can muster is talking about how well/badly she's dressed.

[Ifreann]

It's like trying to call Colgate and Crest two different things even though they're both toothpaste. For all your claims about being Beyond Gender or some metaphysical shit like that, you still bitch primarily about feminists just like any other MRA.

Bitching about feminism is not the defining feature of MRAs.

Disagree.

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Personally I think you two need to chillax a bit, and realize that I had literally just joined this discussion/thread, with what were my own thoughts on the topic. Not for the purpose of engaging in whatever silly feuds you two like to pursue.

Go out and get some air or something.

Maybe next time you feel the need to act like you've made some terribly clever observation in a thread that's been going on for days you could consider reading it first to see if someone's beaten you to it.

[Settrah]

Maybe next time you feel the need to act like you've made some terribly clever observation in a thread that's been going on for days you could consider reading it first to see if someone's beaten you to it.

Maybe next time you feel the need to act like you're the postmaster of a thread and anyone that enters it with their own thoughts, you should consider realizing that you don't have that monopoly over people's right to state their views whether original or repeated. M'kay.

[Central Slavia]

Bitching about feminism is not the defining feature of MRAs.

Disagree.

Even if that was true, that doesn't make anyone who bitches about feminism an MRA; it merely makes every MRA a person who... you get the point.
Implications are a one-way street. Basic logic.

[Zottistan]

Bitching about feminism is not the defining feature of MRAs.

Disagree.

So everybody who bitches about feminism is an MRA?

[Central Slavia]

Thankfully, MRAs are a marginal nutter group. There isn't much to bitch about them, unless they pull the sort of shit like we seen last time with essentially RL phishing a charity donation campaign.

And even then they try to cover up embarassing moments like that by derailing discussion into their favorite bukkake topic, the Evils of Feminism and the Subjugation of Men Since the Dawn of Time.

I was there, and it wasn't really derailment. Pretty much everyone present denounced the shit they pulled, and discussion moved on naturally.
Because everyone present considered the stunt appalling... and as such there wasn't anything more to discuss.

[Zottistan]

Disagree.

Even if that was true, that doesn't make anyone who bitches about feminism an MRA; it merely makes every MRA a person who... you get the point.
Implications are a one-way street. Basic logic.

Actually, if bitching about feminism was the definition of an MRA, everybody who bitched about feminism would be an MRA

[Ifreann]

Yeah, and that was wrong the first time you said it too.

Because you said so, right?

Because you're missing my point entirely and your comparison isn't relevant to what I've been saying to Ostro, and I can't be arsed to try and explain it to you.

And why should I believe you?

The question is ,why should I believe you?

No it's not.

You're on the side asserting a huge negative impact to something this trite, and you are asserting it applies to all women, not just dogmatic feminists.

And there have been explanations for why people think that all over the thread. You've quoted some of them. But why should I believe you when you say they're all wrong?

Does landing something on a comet change whether his shirt is sexist?

First of all,...

First of all does landing something on a comet change whether his shirt is sexist?

[Ifreann]

Maybe next time you feel the need to act like you've made some terribly clever observation in a thread that's been going on for days you could consider reading it first to see if someone's beaten you to it.

Maybe next time you feel the need to act like you're the postmaster of a thread and anyone that enters it with their own thoughts, you should consider realizing that you don't have that monopoly over people's right to state their views whether original or repeated. M'kay.

I'm not telling you you can't post your witty observation. I'm saying it's been posted before, and addressed, repeatedly.

[Settrah]

Bitching about feminism doesn't make you an MRA. There are plenty of people I've met, that while gender egalitarian in intention, disagree fundamentally with many methodologies and the way feminism conducts itself as a narrative and practice, but they are far from being MRAs.

I think the issue is that people assume that loyally adhering to feminists is the only way to not be a misogynist. And I don't think it's quite as simple as that.

Maybe next time you feel the need to act like you're the postmaster of a thread and anyone that enters it with their own thoughts, you should consider realizing that you don't have that monopoly over people's right to state their views whether original or repeated. M'kay.

I'm not telling you you can't post your witty observation. I'm saying it's been posted before, and addressed, repeatedly.

My point is, I don't care what you say. If I have a view on a subject, I want to post it, whether it's been repeated before or not, I still want to post my view. I don't expect a discourse or commentary on it. And I don't need your authorization or approval (which is essentially what you were hinting), nor do I need you to even comment at all, so get over yourself. That essentially amounts to you saying you don't want people to say what you don't want to hear again (regardless of whether it's been discussed/proved/debunked/whatever). And, well basically, tough. Sorry. No.