Rosetta mission scientist Dr Matt Taylor persecuted by SJWs

[Des-Bal]

Who started a thread complaining about it? Who keeps whining about how it's "just a shirt"? Something about not throwing rocks while in a glass house and all that.

"Don't bring attention to someone's obssession or you're no worse than them" might work as a device to discourage critique but given the utter banality of most subjects given their own threads and the fact that you're comparing it to media circus it is a totally pointless claim.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Sorry but I have zero patience for cis people and minus fifty patience with cis men on activism stuff.

So you're saying your intolerant.

I just came from a discussion in an LGBT group in Facebook where people compared anti-ginger epithets and anti-black ones and solely the latter ones being criminalized.

This being Brazil, where anti-ginger prejudice ultimately descended from anti-Celtic sentiment is not a reality.

So yeah, I'm tired of dominant group logic.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I see Dr. Taylor being a good decent fellow.

The shirt was inappropriate, but the response has been blown off the charts.

[Kubrath]

So what you're saying is that Dr. Taylor is a more sensible and reasonable person than you are?

I think he is weak in caving into the demands of the peanut gallery, but if he doesn't take his choice of attire on that day as a matter of pride, oh well. I guess if he wants to submit, then that is his choice.

Do you want to get fired over a t-shirt?

[Saiwania]

Or he realized that he should have picked a different shirt and he apologized because he's maybe legitimately a decent person.

Not all people are equally eligible for apology. It is probably worthwhile to make it up to someone in real life, but a bunch of random internet users? They can be safely brushed aside and ignored. What is said in the rumor mill is as inconsequential as the 99% of petitions that never change a thing. It is about only expending effort on the people who matter.

[Dakini]

Not relevant to the discussion.

Unless you decide where to draw the line, what people say in this thread is just as far off limits as what they said in high school.

What? You don't even make sense.

Also, half of these posters are in high school.

No, it's really not a waste of one's intellect to get dressed appropriately in the morning. Every professor I know looks at what they're going to wear and decides whether or not it's appropriate for whatever they're facing during the day. That means that they'll dress differently depending whether they're teaching, meeting with students, doing outreach, being interviewed or just doing research and going to the pub after work.

And yet, we still get incidents like these. It's almost as if "how much of people's unpredictable reactions to this is worth my effort" is more of a continuous spectrum among people than a set line or something.

You know what shirt he could have worn that absolutely nobody would be offended by? How about this one? Or this one? Or if he really wanted something with a collar, how about a plain polo shirt? How about an ESA shirt? How about 99% of shirts currently in existence?

[The Sotoan Union]

It's a shirt. This man helped land a probe on a comet and people are angry about a shirt.

Honestly this is just outrage culture. People would rather get angry about perceived issues then do anything to change them.

[Novorobo]

The death threats were inappropriate, yes.

The apology was totally appropriate. People should apologize when they realize they've made an error in judgment. It's a sign of good character.

In this situation? No, it really wasn't. The response was fucking insane and giving it credence with a tearful apology is just going to encourage the crazies to craze again. Wearing the wrong shirt on TV merits a woopsy daisy tweet at the absolute most.

Sometimes people need to be reminded they're being irrational. Crying just rewards the irrationality.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Unless you decide where to draw the line, what people say in this thread is just as far off limits as what they said in high school.

What? You don't even make sense.

Also, half of these posters are in high school.

And yet, we still get incidents like these. It's almost as if "how much of people's unpredictable reactions to this is worth my effort" is more of a continuous spectrum among people than a set line or something.

You know what shirt he could have worn that absolutely nobody would be offended by? How about this one? Or this one? Or if he really wanted something with a collar, how about a plain polo shirt? How about an ESA shirt? How about 99% of shirts currently in existence?

I... would not go there

[Kiribati-Tarawa]

Well, to be honest, wearing that kind of shirt for an interview is not exactly professional. However, I think it's being blown up way too much and really comes to show how these radical feminists, alongside many other groups, are so sensitive that they are almost like children. "He wore a shirt that I didn't like! That's offensive! He should be fired!" Give me a break.

[Empire of Narnia]

Maybe this will make people dress more conservatively. That would be rather cool, and pretty ironic as well.

[Gristol-Serkonos]

It's just a shirt.

A Freaking Shirt.

These fellows seriously need a thicker skin.

Who started a thread complaining about it? Who keeps whining about how it's "just a shirt"? Something about not throwing rocks while in a glass house and all that.

There is a reason why I wrote a more serious note on the other half of the post.

[Dakini]

Or he realized that he should have picked a different shirt and he apologized because he's maybe legitimately a decent person.

Not all people are equally eligible for apology. It is probably worthwhile to make it up to someone in real life, but a bunch of random internet users? They can be safely brushed aside and ignored. What is said in the rumor mill is as inconsequential as the 99% of petitions that never change a thing. It is about only expending effort on the people who matter.

There wasn't a petition.

Also, some of the "random internet users" who commented on the shirt are his colleagues. Others are members of the press who report on scientific topics. These are not all people he's never met or will never meet.

[Des-Bal]

I just came from a discussion in an LGBT group in Facebook where people compared anti-ginger epithets and anti-black ones and solely the latter ones being criminalized.

This being Brazil, where anti-ginger prejudice ultimately descended from anti-Celtic sentiment is not a reality.

So yeah, I'm tired of dominant group logic.

You got "tired" of a group based on limited interactions with a few people. You're a bigot.

[Fezkovia]

Sooo... the consumer of said shirt is criticized and not the producer?

The producer was his wife. Like seriously. His WIFE made it for him. He didn't buy it from 'Sexism R Us' or whatever the fuck they may think.

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

-Nerd wears nerd shirt
-People are told they are offended
-Upon finding out that they are offended, people demand an apology
-Nerd apologises
-People are told that they think this isn't enough



He obviously picked it at random. Do you think he puts thought into how he looks? Look at his beard!!!


"Hey Randy! Imma get this shirt, it'll match my comics!"

-Nerd in shop

N-word privileges. I'm wearing a Pokemon belt.

[Dakini]

-Nerd wears nerd shirt
-People are told they are offended
-Upon finding out that they are offended, people demand an apology
-Nerd apologises
-People are told that they think this isn't enough

Source on that last claim.

Also on the third claim.

[Laerod]

Who started a thread complaining about it? Who keeps whining about how it's "just a shirt"? Something about not throwing rocks while in a glass house and all that.

"Don't bring attention to someone's obssession or you're no worse than them" might work as a device to discourage critique but given the utter banality of most subjects given their own threads and the fact that you're comparing it to media circus it is a totally pointless claim.

You too should grow a thicker skin.

[Tahar Joblis]

-Nerd wears nerd shirt
-People are told they are offended
-Upon finding out that they are offended, people demand an apology
-Nerd apologises
-People are told that they think this isn't enough



He obviously picked it at random. Do you think he puts thought into how he looks? Look at his beard!!!


"Hey Randy! Imma get this shirt, it'll match my comics!"

-Nerd in shop

N-word privileges. I'm wearing a Pokemon belt.

He wore it not a random, but to honor the person who hand-made it for him as a birthday present. She was upset to discover that people didn't want him to wear it.

[Saiwania]

Do you want to get fired over a t-shirt?

I'm willing to bet that a person with his experience is more valuable than any potential replacements and thus he won't be fired over a t shirt regardless. He might get replaced for sexual harassment or something more serious, but not for this.

[Novorobo]

What? You don't even make sense.

Others: Who says "nerd" means "poor social skills?"
Me: Think back to high school, and if you think people's opinions magically changed, it's up to you to explain how and why.
You: If they were in high school, they didn't know better. You can't hold what people said then against them.
Me: I see. And what is the statue of limitations on age and time passed for quoting people?

If you don't set a clear guideline, along with reasons for that clear guideline, you are picking and choosing.

Also, half of these posters are in high school.

We don't know that. No one does.

You know what shirt he could have worn that absolutely nobody would be offended by? How about this one? Or this one? Or if he really wanted something with a collar, how about a plain polo shirt? How about an ESA shirt? How about 99% of shirts currently in existence?

Perhaps he may have thought no one would watch the comet landing without some T&A? Again, the only person who knows for sure what went through his head (if anyone) is him.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

People like you are a joke. This almost maniacal desire to label and demean everything that is of the "other" was supposedly only reserved for the most overt of conservatives, but now it seems that both extremes are just as vile and out of touch with reality. "Academicists", what the hell does that even mean? "Cis"? No, we're just people.

Cisgender: when you do identify with the gender you were designated at birth upon examination of your genitalia, often arbitrarily (in the case it was ambiguous or absent).

Synonymous with "not transgender". It is almost hermetic at that, the sole exception being intersex people who have lived experience to say they don't identify with these politics applying to them (they have authority on refusing a construct made by transgender activism because it is majorly dyadic, and given how Oppression Olympics is a bad thing, we should listen to them).

Academicism: to want to monopolize knowledge or intellectual propositions, guarding them under the shadow of hermetic communities and impenetrable jargon, denying that they be accessible to people of certain groups.

Academicism includes shooting at a person completely ignorant about a given subject a torrent of hard word, neologism and terms that they don't know or don't have an idea of what they designate. Academicism is to write in an obscure, purposefully stylized manner, to please a given isolated clique and alienate other people. (I re-appropriate it a lot to call attention to a person speaking on issues they should silence themselves before in respect of others, though, as people often undermine "internet justice warriors" protagonism on their own issues, branding them as "attention seeking amateurs" or whatever.)

Long story short, academicism is to think your ideas are so holy that they need this kind of shield, avoiding exposing it to the light of debate.

Speaking of a scientist as someone we should silence ourselves before even in political issues that are a concern they do not share as individuals is both a form of academicism and a heavy appeal to authority.

[Des-Bal]

You too should grow a thicker skin.

Sorry someone just threw a peach pit at my head and yelled "nigger" while I kept walking, you were saying something about my thin skin?

You're completely full of it.

"They might have created a media shitstorm over a shirt but you posted in a thread whose the real crazy person here?"
"That doesn't make sense."
"Toughen up!"

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

-Nerd wears nerd shirt
-People are told they are offended
-Upon finding out that they are offended, people demand an apology
-Nerd apologises
-People are told that they think this isn't enough



He obviously picked it at random. Do you think he puts thought into how he looks? Look at his beard!!!


"Hey Randy! Imma get this shirt, it'll match my comics!"

-Nerd in shop

N-word privileges. I'm wearing a Pokemon belt.

He wore it not a random, but to honor the person who hand-made it for him as a birthday present. She was upset to discover that people didn't want him to wear it.

Very cute.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You got "tired" of a group based on limited interactions with a few people. You're a bigot.

Actually cis people are nice to deal with, to a point cis men just as much when we talk about most stuff.

Not when they speak on the same tone of or disputing speech space with oppressed groups in issues that even I should silence myself before others.