Rosetta mission scientist Dr Matt Taylor persecuted by SJWs

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I think you downplay the degrading effects of gender roles on people who are growing up.

I think you overplay the sensitivity of people growing up to drawn lines on a shirt.

No, I don't think so personally.

But I'm not the one to define misogyny, and I find cis men attempting to define it as fit to their personal understandings of politics to be of poor taste.

[Dakini]

The shirt was inappropriate. The response was incredibly inappropriate.

The death threats were inappropriate, yes.

The apology was totally appropriate. People should apologize when they realize they've made an error in judgment. It's a sign of good character.

[Laerod]

The shirt was inappropriate. The response was incredibly inappropriate.

The response to the response was beyond reprehensible.

[Greed and Death]

The shirt was inappropriate. The response was incredibly inappropriate.

The response to the response was beyond reprehensible.

The internet belongs to the bros.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

How do you know they are not a feminist?

They hold a convenient platform for intersectional feminism and the language associated with activism related in and out of there as crap.

That person is obviously also not a radfem.

They could use a little more respect and seriousness if they like to think of themselves as an F, rather than just a convenient ally in certain issues.

[Novorobo]

Not that I've seen, but proving that there are no deleted comments is one of these impossible bars. If you want to prove that there are such comments, you're welcome to do so. The burden of proof is yours, after all.

It doesn't matter whether they exist or not, and quite frankly, I'm too lazy to find out. You were the one definitively claiming they didn't exist, which, being something that's hard to prove, it generally shouldn't be assumed.

No. I mean that minutes after these tweets went up, there were death threats. Since this is something that started with a tweet (it hit twitter before it hit tumblr), there was nothing else to colour the comments.

Except other conversations elsewhere about similar things, maybe?

Some people just hated the fact that women had something less than positive to say about a man and that meant that they should die. Period. Stop trying to justify the death threats.

I already said the death threats were wrong for a variety of reasons. Apparently this is not enough, because my opinion got misrepresented anyway.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you that people are people who make their own decisions and cartoons are not. This is just something you're going to have to figure out on your own.

Har har. But these cartoons are based on people, such as, let's say, people who the cartoonists are trying to sell their cartoon to. So a similar point applies.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The shirt was inappropriate. The response was incredibly inappropriate.

The response to the response was beyond reprehensible.

The response to the responders of the response however, totally sensible.
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Response-ception.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Oh no, I'm a cisgendered white male! Suddenly that makes my support for women's rights irrelevant!

It does if you can't even entertain the possibility of language being serious business when it comes to defining oppression.

Or when you think oppression isn't a thing, or serious business, and consequently silence women and other feminists as a consequence.

[Novorobo]

Remember boys and girls, women are too sensitive and special to be able to handle any references to their bodies or sexuality. Any reference to such will destroy their ambition, goals, and drive.

I think you downplay the degrading effects of gender roles on people who are growing up.

Again, if you're going to claim this, it's up to you to be more specific.

[Saiwania]

So what you're saying is that Dr. Taylor is a more sensible and reasonable person than you are?

I think he is weak in caving into the demands of the peanut gallery, but if he doesn't take his choice of attire on that day as a matter of pride, oh well. I guess if he wants to submit, then that is his choice.

[Dakini]

Not that I've seen, but proving that there are no deleted comments is one of these impossible bars. If you want to prove that there are such comments, you're welcome to do so. The burden of proof is yours, after all.

It doesn't matter whether they exist or not, and quite frankly, I'm too lazy to find out. You were the one definitively claiming they didn't exist, which, being something that's hard to prove, it generally shouldn't be assumed.

There's no reason to assume that they do exist, as you claimed from the get-go.

No. I mean that minutes after these tweets went up, there were death threats. Since this is something that started with a tweet (it hit twitter before it hit tumblr), there was nothing else to colour the comments.

Except other conversations elsewhere about similar things, maybe?

Seriously. Stop trying to justify death threats.

Some people just hated the fact that women had something less than positive to say about a man and that meant that they should die. Period. Stop trying to justify the death threats.

I already said the death threats were wrong for a variety of reasons. Apparently this is not enough, because my opinion got misrepresented anyway.

Because you keep trying to come up with totally good reasons why people sent death threats to women who expressed an opinion they did not like. Your opinion is not being misrepresented. Stop trying to justify the death threats. There are no good reasons to send them. They are not justified. Ever.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you that people are people who make their own decisions and cartoons are not. This is just something you're going to have to figure out on your own.

Har har. But these cartoons are based on people, such as, let's say, people who the cartoonists are trying to sell their cartoon to. So a similar point applies.

So this is still a red herring, but let me get this straight: You're saying that the cartoonist in this instance based their cartoons on their hopeful audience? If that is the case and Dr. Taylor is clearly part of the audience, then why was his shirt covered with drawings of half-naked women instead of men in incredibly tacky shirts?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Again, if you're going to claim this, it's up to you to be more specific.

I'm sure there are studies on this and this is of particular importance among those groups already disadvantaged, I just don't keep collecting references on the struggle of women and poor people to paste at people's faces because I am of the expectation they already know it before voicing their views.

[Dakini]

So what you're saying is that Dr. Taylor is a more sensible and reasonable person than you are?

I think he is weak in caving into the demands of the peanut gallery, but if he doesn't take his choice of attire on that day as a matter of pride, oh well. I guess if he wants to submit, then that is his choice.

Or he realized that he should have picked a different shirt and he apologized because he's maybe legitimately a decent person.

[Laerod]

The response to the response was beyond reprehensible.

The response to the responders of the response however, totally sensible.
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Response-ception.

With the possible exception of Hetrio, yeah.

[Des-Bal]

The death threats were inappropriate, yes.

The apology was totally appropriate. People should apologize when they realize they've made an error in judgment. It's a sign of good character.

In this situation? No, it really wasn't. The response was fucking insane and giving it credence with a tearful apology is just going to encourage the crazies to craze again. Wearing the wrong shirt on TV merits a woopsy daisy tweet at the absolute most.

[Empire of Narnia]

I agree that the shirt was not appropriate. Whatever happened to the good old suit and tie? He's a scientist, not the manager of a strip club. He should act like one.

[Gristol-Serkonos]

It's just a shirt.

A Freaking Shirt.

These fellows seriously need a thicker skin.

Or Jesus, perhaps.

Moving towards a more serious note, while I recognize that Dr. Taylor should look a lot more professional (his tattoos are badass, of course), I don't see anything offensive about the shirt. It was a mistake in clothing choice, no need for such outrage. Still, these authors who lambasted his fashion choice should know that that Dr. Taylor has done a lot more for humanity than any of them combined.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

With the possible exception of Hetrio, yeah.

Sorry but I have zero patience for cis people and minus fifty patience with cis men on activism stuff.

[Novorobo]

Not relevant to the discussion.

Unless you decide where to draw the line, what people say in this thread is just as far off limits as what they said in high school.

No, it's really not a waste of one's intellect to get dressed appropriately in the morning. Every professor I know looks at what they're going to wear and decides whether or not it's appropriate for whatever they're facing during the day. That means that they'll dress differently depending whether they're teaching, meeting with students, doing outreach, being interviewed or just doing research and going to the pub after work.

And yet, we still get incidents like these. It's almost as if "how much of people's unpredictable reactions to this is worth my effort" is more of a continuous spectrum among people than a set line or something.

[Laerod]

It's just a shirt.

A Freaking Shirt.

These fellows seriously need a thicker skin.

Who started a thread complaining about it? Who keeps whining about how it's "just a shirt"? Something about not throwing rocks while in a glass house and all that.

[Des-Bal]

Sorry but I have zero patience for cis people and minus fifty patience with cis men on activism stuff.

So you're saying your intolerant.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sorry but I have zero patience for cis people and minus fifty patience with cis men on activism stuff.

So you're saying your intolerant.

The irony, it's off the damn charts.

[Laerod]

With the possible exception of Hetrio, yeah.

Sorry but I have zero patience for cis people and minus fifty patience with cis men on activism stuff.

Well, at least you apologized.

[Kubrath]

And it's ridiculous that someone in his position and with his kind of achievement should be judged by what he's wearing rather than the calibre of his scientific mind.

Academicism is ugly.

Sometimes scientists are oppressive too. We should expect high standards from them exactly because, like politicians, educators, people who work in the media, and so on, they are powerful and advance certain ideologies.

In his case, it's exactly because he's estimated as a symbol of power through knowledge.

People like you are a joke. This almost maniacal desire to label and demean everything that is of the "other" was supposedly only reserved for the most overt of conservatives, but now it seems that both extremes are just as vile and out of touch with reality. "Academicists", what the hell does that even mean? "Cis"? No, we're just people.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So you're saying your intolerant.

The irony, it's off the damn charts.

To be fair, the irony was already pretty high in the response thread over the response of a scientist to people's response over his choice of shirt on the day he helped land a probe on a comet.