U.K. to block any sale of JAS-39s to Argentina

[The UK in Exile]

Not particularly. The arms trade would struggle tremendously if we restricted it solely to countries with no desire to use them.

So your just going to completely make up a whole new context for my post huh

Its the same context. The UK manufactures weapons. The UK uncovers that a sale of weapons might go to a country that has the potential to use them. The UK blocks the sale of weapons.

What did they think people where going to do with them before?

[Valaran]

Not particularly. The arms trade would struggle tremendously if we restricted it solely to countries with no desire to use them.

The German Social Democrats are influencing the German government to basically do that. Sell weaponry only to countries that like respect human rights and are peaceful and stuff. So basically to countries that don't need them, and America.

I suppose there are much worse policies on selling weaponry....

[Alyakia]

Not particularly. The arms trade would struggle tremendously if we restricted it solely to countries with no desire to use them.

The German Social Democrats are influencing the German government to basically do that. Sell weaponry only to countries that like respect human rights and are peaceful and stuff. So basically to countries that don't need them, and America.

about 30 years too late for that. but good idea. it's a shame israel will just probably pick up the tab though as they have always done. (see: south africa)

[The UK in Exile]

It does say something about the Schizophrenic nature of the UK's arms sales laws.

We'll sell to Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia..... but not to Argentina?

Last time I checked they don't have a territorial dispute with the UK, especially one that led to a war 32 years ago.

They just shoot their own citizens and harbour terrorists. Quick, lets sell them them more bullets.

[Frazers]

So your just going to completely make up a whole new context for my post huh

Its the same context. The UK manufactures weapons. The UK uncovers that a sale of weapons might go to a country that has the strongly stated potential to use them against the UK . The UK blocks the sale of weapons.

What did they think people where going to do with them before?

Ta da

[Napkiraly]

Last time I checked they don't have a territorial dispute with the UK, especially one that led to a war 32 years ago.

They just shoot their own citizens and harbour terrorists. Quickly, lets sell them them more bullets.

I never said I agreed with it, but rather the logic behind it.

[The UK in Exile]

Its the same context. The UK manufactures weapons. The UK uncovers that a sale of weapons might go to a country that has the strongly stated potential to use them against the UK . The UK blocks the sale of weapons.

What did they think people where going to do with them before?

Ta da

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lands.html

"(We hope) that (his mission) takes the message to the major powers in the world to participate in dialogue ... that the great powers in the world, who have arms and financial power, can be convinced to finally heed the emerging countries and that they commit to a dialogue of civilisations where things are resolved by diplomatic channels rather than by force."

I, for one, am terrified.

[Organized States]

Or just buy NATO supplied aircraft for non-NATO states or simply just just by jets that aren't so tied to the UK.

Wont stop MI6 from sending in Daniel Craig to sabotage them.

Well, I'd personally prefer Sean Connery, he's proven himself time and time again.

[Napkiraly]

Wont stop MI6 from sending in Daniel Craig to sabotage them.

Well, I'd personally prefer Sean Connery, he's proven himself time and time again.

Sean Connery wanted the UK to shplit apart. He was tosshed into the water of the Thamesh long ago.

[Valaran]

Wont stop MI6 from sending in Daniel Craig to sabotage them.

Well, I'd personally prefer Sean Connery, he's proven himself time and time again.

How about a double team?


*breaks all the continuity just to see them bicker as they kill endless bad guys*

[Frazers]

Ta da

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lands.html

"(We hope) that (his mission) takes the message to the major powers in the world to participate in dialogue ... that the great powers in the world, who have arms and financial power, can be convinced to finally heed the emerging countries and that they commit to a dialogue of civilisations where things are resolved by diplomatic channels rather than by force."

I, for one, am terrified.

Do you always believe one statement from chronic thugs?

[FutureAmerica]

Argentina's government can only afford crop dusters for fighter planes. It can both crop dust and attack the Malvinas' sheep farmers.

[Ainin]

So the Argentine government finally realised that their armed forces were hopelessly antiquated, apparently.

[The UK in Exile]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lands.html



I, for one, am terrified.

Do you always believe one statement from chronic thugs?

http://en.mercopress.com/2006/04/02/fal ... y-generals

"Today, once again, we reiterate our willingness to restart talks with Britain, a dialogue between democracies" he said but adding that "they (British) must show they are willing to negotiate our claim to the Islands."

"We're not giving up and we'll be persistent. Malvinas is a national objective for all Argentines and we must recover them through dialogue and peace, but peace does not mean living with heads bent down", said the Argentine president recalling that "we have the full support of the international community in our claims".

http://www.un.org/press/en/2012/gacol3238.doc.htm

She said that to see the Malvinas only as a territorial or sovereignty matter was to shrink the case. It was more than that: it was a challenge to multilateral bodies to determine whether the world was able to overcome prejudice and cliché. “We must leave behind us this outdated story,” she said. “We’re not asking for much. We’re just asking to talk.” She urged embracing a new world order that all States must help to realize.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... -secretary

At his swearing-in ceremony on Monday, the former senator for Buenos Aires said the creation of the post reaffirmed the government's commitment to resolving the dispute through peaceful, democratic means.

No.

[Frazers]

"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

[Valaran]

"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

I don't particularly trust Kirchner. But Argentina isn't in a military or economic (or even political) situation to fight over the Falklands (let alone have a good chance at winning) and nor will it be in the near future, so I don't see this as a major sticking point.

[Fartsniffage]

Do you always believe one statement from chronic thugs?

http://en.mercopress.com/2006/04/02/fal ... y-generals

"Today, once again, we reiterate our willingness to restart talks with Britain, a dialogue between democracies" he said but adding that "they (British) must show they are willing to negotiate our claim to the Islands."

"We're not giving up and we'll be persistent. Malvinas is a national objective for all Argentines and we must recover them through dialogue and peace, but peace does not mean living with heads bent down", said the Argentine president recalling that "we have the full support of the international community in our claims".

http://www.un.org/press/en/2012/gacol3238.doc.htm

She said that to see the Malvinas only as a territorial or sovereignty matter was to shrink the case. It was more than that: it was a challenge to multilateral bodies to determine whether the world was able to overcome prejudice and cliché. “We must leave behind us this outdated story,” she said. “We’re not asking for much. We’re just asking to talk.” She urged embracing a new world order that all States must help to realize.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... -secretary

At his swearing-in ceremony on Monday, the former senator for Buenos Aires said the creation of the post reaffirmed the government's commitment to resolving the dispute through peaceful, democratic means.

No.

Any quotes from the Argentine government saying they're willing to take the opinions of the Falklands people into account?

[Alyakia]

"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

implying argentina has changed their stance on the falklands

lol

[Fartsniffage]

"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

I don't particularly trust Kirchner. But Argentina isn't in a a military or economic (or even political) situation to fight over the Falklands (let alone have a good chance at winning) and nor will it be in the near future, so I don't see this as a major sticking point.

Military aircraft don't suddenly become less potent after a few years. Realistically, Britain won't be upgrading from Typhoons for a few decades.

[The UK in Exile]

http://en.mercopress.com/2006/04/02/fal ... y-generals



http://www.un.org/press/en/2012/gacol3238.doc.htm



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... -secretary



No.

Any quotes from the Argentine government saying they're willing to take the opinions of the Falklands people into account?

http://www.biblioteca.jus.gov.ar/argent ... tution.pdf

First. -The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.

#

"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

implying argentina has changed their stance on the falklands

lol

Just their Government, as in, its not a Western backed military dictatorship anymore.

[Frazers]

"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

implying argentina has changed their stance on the falklands

lol

They're semi-interested in playing to the international audience these days.

[Fartsniffage]

Any quotes from the Argentine government saying they're willing to take the opinions of the Falklands people into account?

http://www.biblioteca.jus.gov.ar/argent ... tution.pdf

First. -The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.

First. -The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.

So no is your answer then?

[FutureAmerica]

Why don't you guys settle this with a FIFA regulated football match. Winner gets the islands.
UK all stars vs Argentina. Messi vs Bale. I'll pay to watch.

[Valaran]

I don't particularly trust Kirchner. But Argentina isn't in a a military or economic (or even political) situation to fight over the Falklands (let alone have a good chance at winning) and nor will it be in the near future, so I don't see this as a major sticking point.

Military aircraft don't suddenly become less potent after a few years. Realistically, Britain won't be upgrading from Typhoons for a few decades.

Its more ,to use an article from earlier, the Argentine airforce as a whole is a long long way behind and so are the rest of their forces - something 24 modern planes won't change.

And even if they did improve, I don't see their economy sustaining the levels of military spending required to make their power even close to the UK.

[The UK in Exile]

http://www.biblioteca.jus.gov.ar/argent ... tution.pdf

First. -The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.

So no is your answer then?

Their willing to take them into account. Of course, there are 41 million Argentinians and 3000 islanders.