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How do you view prostitutes ?

Courageous people that should be respected for what they do for their families and their future. Prostitution should be legalized.
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Normal people, I don't see what is so special about them.
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Mmphr, disgusting but tolerable.
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Street filth, the whole bunch of them. Prostitution should be criminalized.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:49 pm

The Flood wrote:Prostitutes should be treated as victims, and not criminalized. Anyone who consumes the services of a prostitute or employs a prostitute, however, should be harshly punished for victimization and abuse of women (or occasionally men).

Wait, if a douchebag friend hits on me, I say "gib moni plox, R$1000 and we talk" and it happens, he should be prosecuted? I can't see why. :unsure:

Prostitution is any exchange of money for sex. That can mean anything, not just certain kinds of social relations. (That often the "victims" themselves regard as legitimate, mind you.)

Also, there is further criticism of the efficacy of such approach. (It was already tried in Sweden and might increase risks due to competition and such.)
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:51 pm

Should be legalized and licensed brothels established.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:51 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:Not really. There are more deaths in the metal industry then in the prostitution or even army over here, so then the question arises, what is risky?

Not sure where you're from then since Thailand isn't the country with the highest amount of child prostitution...

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Ah, now i understand.
Well see, the difference is probably very simple between our nations then. Over here its not only legal, its very much supervised by inspecitions and certain organizations who keep a check on such things. Its all regulated, all need to have permits to open a house for prostitutes. Prostitutes (officially) should be signed in as a prostitute. Now ofcourse it isn't hard to find illegal prostitution here, but even the illegal prostitution is monitored by alot of people and even by the people that visit the prostitutes.
There are certain sites here where one can report possible illegal or underage prostitution. I'm sure the police keeps a close eye on that site.

I guess that's the major difference, over here its all kinda controlled and also accepted (which makes it easier to scoop out the bad stuff) and over there at your nation it most likely isn't or much less.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:52 pm

The Flood wrote:Prostitutes should be treated as victims, and not criminalized. Anyone who consumes the services of a prostitute or employs a prostitute, however, should be harshly punished for victimization and abuse of women (or occasionally men).

In other words, prostitutes themselves should not be thrown in jail or punished, because of the ones who are forced to be prostitutes. They need to be able to go to the police without fear of arrest so that they can escape prostitution.

What if (shocker incoming) they're a prostitute by choice?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:52 pm

The Flood wrote:Prostitutes should be treated as victims, and not criminalized. Anyone who consumes the services of a prostitute or employs a prostitute, however, should be harshly punished for victimization and abuse of women (or occasionally men).

In other words, prostitutes themselves should not be thrown in jail or punished, because of the ones who are forced to be prostitutes. They need to be able to go to the police without fear of arrest so that they can escape prostitution.

If prostitution were treated as a legitimate business then there would be no victimization.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:52 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Should be legalized and licensed brothels established.

Anonymity and anti-discrimination should also be ensured.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:54 pm

The Flood wrote:Prostitutes should be treated as victims, and not criminalized. Anyone who consumes the services of a prostitute or employs a prostitute, however, should be harshly punished for victimization and abuse of women (or occasionally men).

In other words, prostitutes themselves should not be thrown in jail or punished, because of the ones who are forced to be prostitutes. They need to be able to go to the police without fear of arrest so that they can escape prostitution.


And when the woman choses to be a prostitue herself? Still abuse?

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Postby Benuty » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:55 pm

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:56 pm

The Seleucids wrote:Ah, now i understand.
Well see, the difference is probably very simple between our nations then. Over here its not only legal, its very much supervised by inspecitions and certain organizations who keep a check on such things. Its all regulated, all need to have permits to open a house for prostitutes. Prostitutes (officially) should be signed in as a prostitute. Now ofcourse it isn't hard to find illegal prostitution here, but even the illegal prostitution is monitored by alot of people and even by the people that visit the prostitutes.
There are certain sites here where one can report possible illegal or underage prostitution. I'm sure the police keeps a close eye on that site.

I guess that's the major difference, over here its all kinda controlled and also accepted (which makes it easier to scoop out the bad stuff) and over there at your nation it most likely isn't or much less.

My country regards it as social dirt and often pushes it out of the more visible areas of the cities even though it isn't a crime.

Such "social hygiene" is widely employed in years where higher incidence of tourism is expected. They get moralistic about gringos coming here for sexual tourism, and it might taint the image of the country.

Of course this harms developments in STI prevention. It is also typical of recent attitudes about homosexuality and such.

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Postby Crimiea » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:56 pm

Legalized, licensed, and regulated with bi-monthly checks for health purposes.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:01 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:Ah, now i understand.
Well see, the difference is probably very simple between our nations then. Over here its not only legal, its very much supervised by inspecitions and certain organizations who keep a check on such things. Its all regulated, all need to have permits to open a house for prostitutes. Prostitutes (officially) should be signed in as a prostitute. Now ofcourse it isn't hard to find illegal prostitution here, but even the illegal prostitution is monitored by alot of people and even by the people that visit the prostitutes.
There are certain sites here where one can report possible illegal or underage prostitution. I'm sure the police keeps a close eye on that site.

I guess that's the major difference, over here its all kinda controlled and also accepted (which makes it easier to scoop out the bad stuff) and over there at your nation it most likely isn't or much less.

My country regards it as social dirt and often pushes it out of the more visible areas of the cities even though it isn't a crime.

Such "social hygiene" is widely employed in years where higher incidence of tourism is expected. They get moralistic about gringos coming here for sexual tourism, and it might taint the image of the country.

Of course this harms developments in STI prevention. It is also typical of recent attitudes about homosexuality and such.

The ruling coalition tries to appease the Evangelical and conservative rural landlord benches.


Over here its exactly the opposite then i guess. (Netherlands btw)
We rather keep the prostitution on the places we can see what's going on and all, we do support hygiëne for prostitutes (if a woman is signed in the system as a prostitute she can get access to free STD tests for example) ect. ect.
I have to say that over the years the government has also pushed it aside a bit by closing alot of prositute places and such, but its not near a level where one should worry.

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Postby Jochistan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:03 pm

Prostitution should be legalized. The government should provide them with safety and security to ensure nobody is being harmed. Ideally I think the legal age should be 18 to be one or to visit one. Prostitutes with drug problems should be brought to attention and helped. I really don't think there is anything wrong with it being legalized.

Trafficking however, is a very different matter altogether Traffickers/people found selling minors into the trade should be caught and punished severely. the government should strictly regulate weather this is going on or not, without infringing on the rights of people.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:09 pm

Jochistan wrote:Prostitution should be legalized. The government should provide them with safety and security to ensure nobody is being harmed. Ideally I think the legal age should be 18 to be one or to visit one. Prostitutes with drug problems should be brought to attention and helped. I really don't think there is anything wrong with it being legalized.

Trafficking however, is a very different matter altogether Traffickers/people found selling minors into the trade should be caught and punished severely. the government should strictly regulate weather this is going on or not, without infringing on the rights of people.


This is a matter to, at what age should one be able to visit a prostitute.. Over here it is 16 which i think is just fine.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:11 pm

The Seleucids wrote:This is a matter to, at what age should one be able to visit a prostitute.. Over here it is 16 which i think is just fine.

It's 14, here.

I don't like how it is traditionally used to "prepare one for manhood" (many times going against said boy's homosexuality, or if gender issues are also the case), and I'm not sympathetic to the idea of such a low age of consent anyway.
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Postby Xeng He » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:19 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Street: Eh, I couldn't care for it, as long as it's regulated
Brothels: I'm not going to agree here, since it'll be really easy for abuse to come in.
Escort: Same with Brothels
Sex Tourism: Same as Street



Interesting. Why would you view Brothels as more prone to abuse than street?
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Postby WestRedMaple » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:27 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:I certainly think it should be legalized, but I don't get what is so courageous or worthy of respect any more than anyone else going to work

You risk getting outed, being discriminated against and rejected by your family, friends and such.


You risk other people finding out about any other job as well.

I don't view going to work as courageous. They aren't engaging in prostitution out of some deep-seated beliefs, but to get money.

Different outlook, I suppose
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I thought the same of you 5 years ago, and believe me, you will disagree with yourself when you're 20, too. :P



Meh. I'm 19 currently (though admittedly only turned last month) and I haven't found any reason to think my cognition now would've affected my behavior then. Learned experience, almost definitely, but there's no reason I couldn't have had those experiences at a different age.

And hell, what seemed negative at the time actually had a few positive side effects, so you never know.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:45 pm

Where's the "these poor women are victims of our current society and economic system, and need our help" option?
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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:47 pm

The Flood wrote:Prostitutes should be treated as victims, and not criminalized. Anyone who consumes the services of a prostitute or employs a prostitute, however, should be harshly punished for victimization and abuse of women (or occasionally men).

In other words, prostitutes themselves should not be thrown in jail or punished, because of the ones who are forced to be prostitutes. They need to be able to go to the police without fear of arrest so that they can escape prostitution.

This. 100%.

...seriously, Flood, we agree so much it's scary. :blink:
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The Flood wrote:Prostitutes should be treated as victims, and not criminalized. Anyone who consumes the services of a prostitute or employs a prostitute, however, should be harshly punished for victimization and abuse of women (or occasionally men).

In other words, prostitutes themselves should not be thrown in jail or punished, because of the ones who are forced to be prostitutes. They need to be able to go to the police without fear of arrest so that they can escape prostitution.

This. 100%.

...seriously, Flood, we agree so much it's scary. :blink:


People seem to forget that prostitution is an actual job and not just a source of female abuse. If the prostitutes consent to their own work, then it is in their rights to offer sexual services in exchange for money, danger of abuse or not.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:55 pm

Xeng He wrote:Meh. I'm 19 currently (though admittedly only turned last month) and I haven't found any reason to think my cognition now would've affected my behavior then. Learned experience, almost definitely, but there's no reason I couldn't have had those experiences at a different age.

And hell, what seemed negative at the time actually had a few positive side effects, so you never know.

Oh, it was learned experience for me too.

But I thought too much of myself rather than others. And the capacity of empathy influences into that a lot. :P
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:58 pm

It is reprehensible. It is demeaning to woman and in many cases it is nothing more than modern-day slavery. I think it should be banned, with an emphasis on eliminating the "pimps" that profit from it along with the men who fund it while rehabilitating the victims who are forced to sell their bodies.

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Empire of Narnia wrote:It is reprehensible. It is demeaning to woman and in many cases it is nothing more than modern-day slavery. I think it should be banned, with an emphasis on eliminating the "pimps" that profit from it along with the men who fund it while rehabilitating the victims who are forced to sell their bodies.

There are male and non-binary prostitutes...
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:It is reprehensible. It is demeaning to woman and in many cases it is nothing more than modern-day slavery. I think it should be banned, with an emphasis on eliminating the "pimps" that profit from it along with the men who fund it while rehabilitating the victims who are forced to sell their bodies.

There are male and non-binary prostitutes...

Well, it is demeaning to them too.

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Empire of Narnia wrote:It is reprehensible. It is demeaning to woman and in many cases it is nothing more than modern-day slavery. I think it should be banned, with an emphasis on eliminating the "pimps" that profit from it along with the men who fund it while rehabilitating the victims who are forced to sell their bodies.


Is it me or everytime I see you, you leave an extremist comment ? It your opinion, but it is still intriguing.

Also, it is not modern-day slavery, it is a job. A full-blown job.

There are also male prostitutes and ex-prostitutes with important places in society.
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