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Was the USA justified in the use of former Nazi personell against the USSR?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:39 pm

Central Slavia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What?

Assassinations... carried out by personnel of the Royal AIR FORCE? An Air Force performing assassinations?

That's so cool!


Nah
Rote Armee Fraktion.
A fringe communist group, mostly composed of disenfranchised youths, and helped by Stasi from across the border.


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Postby Need a Name » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:46 pm

Interesting, looks like the Soviet used Nazis as double agents.

What? The Soviets used Nazis?! What a terrible surprise! Oh, wait...
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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:49 pm

Central Slavia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What?

Assassinations... carried out by personnel of the Royal AIR FORCE? An Air Force performing assassinations?

That's so cool!


Nah
Rote Armee Fraktion.
A fringe communist group, mostly composed of disenfranchised youths, and helped by Stasi from across the border.


The Red Army Faction, was a KGB sponsored terrorist organization.
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:54 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:
Nah
Rote Armee Fraktion.
A fringe communist group, mostly composed of disenfranchised youths, and helped by Stasi from across the border.


The Red Army Faction, was a KGB sponsored terrorist organization.

I fail to see an organization targetting former hitlerite scum, be it them or Simon Wiesenthal's hunters or Mossad in fact as terrorist.
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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:17 pm

Central Slavia wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
The Red Army Faction, was a KGB sponsored terrorist organization.

I fail to see an organization targetting former hitlerite scum, be it them or Simon Wiesenthal's hunters or Mossad in fact as terrorist.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_F ... to_the_RAF

Which Nazis did they kill again? That's right, just two. The rest were cops, civilians and Americans.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:19 pm

Plus, Mossad spent most of the 60's specifically going after former Nazi war criminals, especially people like Eichman and Mengele. All the RAF did was just shoot dead a bunch of people because "hurr all enemies of communism are the same".
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Postby The balkens » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:21 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:I fail to see an organization targetting former hitlerite scum, be it them or Simon Wiesenthal's hunters or Mossad in fact as terrorist.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_F ... to_the_RAF

Which Nazis did they kill again? That's right, just two. The rest were cops, civilians and Americans.


LIES! ALL WERE HITLERITES AND FACISTS AGAINST GLORIOUS MOTHER RUSSIA!

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Postby Manisdog » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:21 pm

There is no such as justification, The Usa can do and should do everything possible to gain an advantage.

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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:26 pm

Also, found a source for the OP as to the KGB using ex Nazis, well the Statsi, but they were more or less a puppet agency of the KGB.

http://www.dw.de/book-claims-stasi-empl ... /a-1760980
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:47 pm

Blazedtown wrote:Also, found a source for the OP as to the KGB using ex Nazis, well the Statsi, but they were more or less a puppet agency of the KGB.

http://www.dw.de/book-claims-stasi-empl ... /a-1760980


So... not a KGB, not a Soviet Union blackmailing former Nazis into spying is equal to the USA's recruitment and grants of citizenship of the Nazi criminals?

Got anything even more lame and far fetched?
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:49 pm

I am shocked, shocked at this development.

What's the next, the Soviets were doing this as well?
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:53 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:I am shocked, shocked at this development.

What's the next, the Soviets were doing this as well?


About the last one - can you prove that?
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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:53 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:Also, found a source for the OP as to the KGB using ex Nazis, well the Statsi, but they were more or less a puppet agency of the KGB.

http://www.dw.de/book-claims-stasi-empl ... /a-1760980


So... not a KGB, not a Soviet Union blackmailing former Nazis into spying is equal to the USA's recruitment and grants of citizenship of the Nazi criminals?


Yes. The Statsi was more or less an extension of the KGB. The fact that you need a source for basic spycraft shows your know as little about how the real world works than the people who claimed outrage over America getting caught spying on our allies.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:55 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:I am shocked, shocked at this development.

What's the next, the Soviets were doing this as well?


yes. yes they were.

But hey, our Germans were better then their Germans.

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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:12 pm

The balkens wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:I am shocked, shocked at this development.

What's the next, the Soviets were doing this as well?


yes. yes they were.

But hey, our Germans were better then their Germans.


Again - sources, please, for such bold claim.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:18 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
The balkens wrote:
yes. yes they were.

But hey, our Germans were better then their Germans.


Again - sources, please, for such bold claim.


Really?


Open up a history book. does it say that USSR survived into the 21st century?

I think not.
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Postby Text People » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:23 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:I am shocked, shocked at this development.

What's the next, the Soviets were doing this as well?

EVERYONE was taking advantage of brilliant, cutting-edge people with a mind towards the future.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:25 pm

Text People wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:I am shocked, shocked at this development.

What's the next, the Soviets were doing this as well?

EVERYONE was taking advantage of brilliant, cutting-edge people with a mind towards the future.

The OP isn't talking about the Nazi scientists like von Braun. Lytt is well aware that to get any funding in N. Germany, you needed Party membership, the OP is talking about people who took part in the more Holocaust-y part of the Nazi Party.
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Postby Text People » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:31 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Text People wrote:EVERYONE was taking advantage of brilliant, cutting-edge people with a mind towards the future.

The OP isn't talking about the Nazi scientists like von Braun. Lytt is well aware that to get any funding in N. Germany, you needed Party membership, the OP is talking about people who took part in the more Holocaust-y part of the Nazi Party.

AGAIN, everyone was taking advantage of brilliant, cutting-edge people with a mind toward, at this point in time, the far-flung future of the Western diaspora.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:34 pm

Text People wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The OP isn't talking about the Nazi scientists like von Braun. Lytt is well aware that to get any funding in N. Germany, you needed Party membership, the OP is talking about people who took part in the more Holocaust-y part of the Nazi Party.

AGAIN, everyone was taking advantage of brilliant, cutting-edge people with a mind toward, at this point in time, the far-flung future of the Western diaspora.

Oh, so now "people who took direct role in the Holocaust" == "brilliant cutting-edge mind"? He's not talking about the scientists.
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:50 pm

The balkens wrote:
Lyttenburg wrote:
Again - sources, please, for such bold claim.


Really?


Open up a history book. does it say that USSR survived into the 21st century?

I think not.


Do your morally superior history book also provides sources for "Soviets" utilizing Nazi war criminals in the same capacity, on the same level and with the same benevolence as the USA?
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Postby The balkens » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:52 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Really?


Open up a history book. does it say that USSR survived into the 21st century?

I think not.


Do your morally superior history book also provides sources for "Soviets" utilizing Nazi war criminals in the same capacity, on the same level and with the same benevolence as the USA?


actually, my history class went into detail about both sides using former Nazis.

Hey, we're still here.

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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:17 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:Do your morally superior history book

Here come the baseless assumptions that Lytt uses to victimize the East.
All "based" on self-asserted stereotypes that Lytt himself then instates as the American mindset when he, himself, is not American nor has lived in this nation for any length of time.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:26 pm

The balkens wrote:
Lyttenburg wrote:
Do your morally superior history book also provides sources for "Soviets" utilizing Nazi war criminals in the same capacity, on the same level and with the same benevolence as the USA?


actually, my history class went into detail about both sides using former Nazis.

Hey, we're still here.


Yeah, because we had more money because we raped more countries of their resources. Now take your American Nationalism elsewhere.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:30 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The balkens wrote:
actually, my history class went into detail about both sides using former Nazis.

Hey, we're still here.


Yeah, because we had more money because we raped more countries of their resources. Now take your American Nationalism elsewhere.

I think he's actually German.
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