In Cold War, U.S. Spy Agencies Used 1,000 Nazis

[Atramentar]

The OP has gone from crying foul about the smallest perceived attack on anything Russian to actively posting this?

Certainly makes no secret about his political agenda here on NS....

[Text People]

May as well use a powerful and capable human resource while you can. All that talent and knowhow would've gone to waste.

Look at it this way: Jews were also persecuted in the USSR and this was one way of using fire to fight fire. Thus helping to defeat a nation with a track record of antisemitism itself. ...

[New Kvenland]

You do realise that Nazis were some of the most intelligent people in the world? And that employing them was like employing Einstein?

Ha ha ha.

No.

Rather, being a Nazi was important to achieve high positions outside of the military establishment in Hitler's Germany; which means most of the folks who had enough funding to show progress were card carrying Nazis.

These fellows were more garden variety thugs with a bit of experience that made them useful.

Well, not all of them were. I mean, there was Walter and Reimar Horten, who built the first stealth plane, the first craft to take humans to the moon, and made the first radar-resistant paint?

[Occupied Deutschland]

I don't know, Lytt, couldn't you have found some election observers who died from democracy in the US? That would've sounded much more like a true case of victimhood.

As it is, it just sounds like really shitty people being used against other exceptionally shitty people by morally despicable people.
IE: Par for the course in spying.

[New Grestin]

Not sure why this is a big deal.

Nazis were getting scooped up like anti-semetic M&Ms after the war ended, it's not remarkable that the US would use them too.

I mean, shit, Operation Paperclip was designed to bag nazi scientists.

Yes, Nazis were terrible, but that doesn't mean that their scientific advancements and personnel weren't useful, especially with the Cold War peaking it's ugly head.

tl;dr - Nazis suck, but man, could they science.

[Conserative Morality]

Not sure why this is a big deal.

Nazis were getting scooped up like anti-semetic M&Ms after the war ended, it's not remarkable that the US would use them too.

I mean, shit, Operation Paperclip was designed to bag nazi scientists.

Yes, Nazis were terrible, but that doesn't mean that their scientific advancements and personnel weren't useful, especially with the Cold War peaking it's ugly head.

tl;dr - Nazis suck, but man, could they science.

This isn't about Nazi scientific personnel.

[Stormwind-City]

Not sure why this is a big deal.

Nazis were getting scooped up like anti-semetic M&Ms after the war ended, it's not remarkable that the US would use them too.

I mean, shit, Operation Paperclip was designed to bag nazi scientists.

Yes, Nazis were terrible, but that doesn't mean that their scientific advancements and personnel weren't useful, especially with the Cold War peaking it's ugly head.

tl;dr - Nazis suck, but man, could they science.

This isn't about Nazi scientific personnel.

Its about a guy who was responsible for 60,000 deaths used against a country with the KGB (and other ilk) and headed at one point by a man responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million. They also likely employed Nazi spys as well.

E; grammar

[United Marxist Nations]

This isn't about Nazi scientific personnel.

Its about a guy who was responsible for 60,000 deaths used against a country with the KGB (and other ilk) and headed at one point by a man responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million. They also likely employed Nazi spys as well.

E; grammar

If you're going to give an estimate of the number of deaths caused by Stalin, give the accurate measure of 9-15 million. Also, "at one point " is a pretty important clause, since the United States was headed for a long time by people with genocidal policies and permitted slavery.

[Insaeldor]

I figured this would have been common knowledge by now, I guess I was wrong.

[Stormwind-City]

Its about a guy who was responsible for 60,000 deaths used against a country with the KGB (and other ilk) and headed at one point by a man responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million. They also likely employed Nazi spys as well.

E; grammar

If you're going to give an estimate of the number of deaths caused by Stalin, give the accurate measure of 9-15 million. Also, "at one point " is a pretty important clause, since the United States was headed for a long time by people with genocidal policies and permitted slavery.

At the time of the cold war the US was 183 years old while the USSR was ~30 years old. I'm not excusing the US' past, but the USSR was a greater evil at that time. But knowing the OP's past on subjects involving the west and Russia, I sense he is doing this to try and tar-and-feather the US to push his views.

[The balkens]

If you're going to give an estimate of the number of deaths caused by Stalin, give the accurate measure of 9-15 million. Also, "at one point " is a pretty important clause, since the United States was headed for a long time by people with genocidal policies and permitted slavery.

At the time of the cold war the US was 183 years old while the USSR was ~30 years old. I'm not excusing the US' past, but the USSR was a greater evil at that time. But knowing the OP's past on subjects involving the west and Russia, I sense he is doing this to try and tar-and-feather the US to push his views.

To be fair, Lytt is presenting a few debates that can be argued down rather easily.

[Stormwind-City]

At the time of the cold war the US was 183 years old while the USSR was ~30 years old. I'm not excusing the US' past, but the USSR was a greater evil at that time. But knowing the OP's past on subjects involving the west and Russia, I sense he is doing this to try and tar-and-feather the US to push his views.

To be fair, Lytt is presenting a few debates that can be argued down rather easily.

The key word is 'try'. I never said they were good.

[The balkens]

To be fair, Lytt is presenting a few debates that can be argued down rather easily.

The key word is 'try'. I never said they were good.

quite.

[Trotskylvania]

So did the Stasi.

Former regime personnel were used by both Stalinist and Imperialists during the Cold War, though admittedly the Stalinists were less keen on letting the high ranking ones go free.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So did the Stasi.

Former regime personnel were used by both Stalinist and Imperialists during the Cold War, though admittedly the Stalinists were less keen on letting the high ranking ones go free.

Don't you just mean Imperialists?

[Central Slavia]

This is disgusting and at the same time doesn't surprise me the least.

[McNernia]

No one had the moral high ground in the Cold War so I fail to see the relevance on that part .

Yeah there was Stalin and his nuttery and then well Pinochet and all that. Meh.

[Central Slavia]

So did the Stasi.

Former regime personnel were used by both Stalinist and Imperialists during the Cold War, though admittedly the Stalinists were less keen on letting the high ranking ones go free.

Oh, look at the trockist. Really, the above makes as much sense as to say, I dunno - that the japanese in Unit 231 and ministries of healthcare in socialist countries were just as likely to inject citizens with variola samples, just that the latter made sure the samples are dead.

[Trotskylvania]

So did the Stasi.

Former regime personnel were used by both Stalinist and Imperialists during the Cold War, though admittedly the Stalinists were less keen on letting the high ranking ones go free.

Don't you just mean Imperialists?

Stalinism is a very specific brand of imperialism that is irreconcilable with classic capitalist imperialism.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Don't you just mean Imperialists?

Stalinism is a very specific brand of imperialism that is irreconcilable with classic capitalist imperialism.

*shrug* Looks the same to me.

[Blakullar]

Remember it was a Jerry who got the Americans to the Moon. Nothing new to see here.

[Central Slavia]

Don't you just mean Imperialists?

Stalinism is a very specific brand of imperialism that is irreconcilable with classic capitalist imperialism.

It's a specific brand of imperialism specific for not being it.

[Trotskylvania]

So did the Stasi.

Former regime personnel were used by both Stalinist and Imperialists during the Cold War, though admittedly the Stalinists were less keen on letting the high ranking ones go free.

Oh, look at the trockist. Really, the above makes as much sense as to say, I dunno - that the japanese in Unit 231 and ministries of healthcare in socialist countries were just as likely to inject citizens with variola samples, just that the latter made sure the samples are dead.

So basically, any criticism of the East Bloc is all it takes to send you into full on frothing tankie mode?

[Central Slavia]

Oh, look at the trockist. Really, the above makes as much sense as to say, I dunno - that the japanese in Unit 231 and ministries of healthcare in socialist countries were just as likely to inject citizens with variola samples, just that the latter made sure the samples are dead.

So basically, any criticism of the East Bloc is all it takes to send you into full on frothing tankie mode?

Nah, only criticism that insults my intelligence as well as the RVHP. XD

[Trotskylvania]

Stalinism is a very specific brand of imperialism that is irreconcilable with classic capitalist imperialism.

It's a specific brand of imperialism specific for not being it.

Tell that to the East Germans in 1952, the Hungarians in 1956, or the Czechoslovakians in 1968.