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by ISS Independence » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:38 pm
by Stormwind-City » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:47 pm
ISS Independence wrote:It's a free country, people should be free to open a store dedicated to Cathlulu if they want, but of course, religious freaks are not very good with that logics thing
by Herskerstad » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:53 pm
by Our Governator » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:29 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:46 pm
by Wintanceastre » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:14 pm
by Constantinopolis » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:24 pm
Herskerstad wrote:It's pretty much a theme park version of several largely conservative and old religions.
by Braberbourg » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:56 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Herskerstad wrote:It's pretty much a theme park version of several largely conservative and old religions.
You know, that's the weirdest thing about modern Wiccans. They tend to be culturally and politically liberal, without seeming to realize that real historical paganism was a highly conservative religion. Also, real historical paganism was (by modern standards) extremely patriarchal - same as the cultures which produced it - but modern Wiccans strongly favour sexual equality.
Real pagan men from 2000 years ago would consider women to be more or less their property (this was by no means unique to paganism, of course; it was a social standard followed by pagans along with everyone else), and they performed animal sacrifices, and they didn't see violence as a bad thing - let's not forget that they had gods of war in their pantheons.
They worshiped nature, of course, but nature isn't peaceful, or kind, or fair, or just. Nature isn't cute and cuddly. Nature is this:
Nature is the wolves that attack your livestock. Nature is the winter that kills your children. Nature is the unpredictable seasons that can destroy your crops and leave you starving. Nature is the storm that breaks sailing ships apart. If you live in ancient times, nature is a terrible, cruel, frightening force, a fickle tyrant that might kill you at any time, and demands sacrifice to be appeased. The gods of nature are merciless and treat you like a plaything.
Wicca has none of that fear and awe of ancient paganism, none of the sense that the gods are cruel and angry and demand to be appeased.
Wicca is so... sanitized. Wicca does to paganism what Disney did to The Little Mermaid. In the original fairy tale, the mermaid dies forgotten, heartbroken and alone, because that's what happens to girls who don't obey their fathers. Disney took that cruel and twisted story and turned it into a family-friendly cartoon about how love conquers all - the precise opposite of the original message (which was more along the lines of "fuck your stupid love").
by Soviet Haaregrad » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:22 pm
Braberbourg wrote:I think you're confusing Wicca with New Age.
by The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:53 pm
T Roosevelt wrote:Wicca is bad organizationally, it's decentralized and its practices aren't enforceable. Pagans need administrators identical to a church to actually be a religion. Where is the sacred text?
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by Greater Weselton » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:06 pm
by Reploid Productions » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:22 pm
Greater Weselton wrote:Why do movies like Frozen promote witchcraft?
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Greater Weselton » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:23 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Greater Weselton wrote:Why do movies like Frozen promote witchcraft?
I lost count of how many times I've listened to/sung along with Let It Go, and I still haven't managed to build an awesome ice palace. Not doing a very good job teaching witchcraft, is it? I want my money back!
by Reploid Productions » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:27 pm
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Stormwind-City » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:31 pm
Greater Weselton wrote:Why do movies like Frozen promote witchcraft?
by Fjora » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:15 pm
by Conkerials » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:17 pm
by Cyrisnia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:21 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Greater Weselton wrote:Why do movies like Frozen promote witchcraft?
I lost count of how many times I've listened to/sung along with Let It Go, and I still haven't managed to build an awesome ice palace. Not doing a very good job teaching witchcraft, is it? I want my money back!
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:25 pm
by The Grey Wolf » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:14 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Herskerstad wrote:It's pretty much a theme park version of several largely conservative and old religions.
You know, that's the weirdest thing about modern Wiccans. They tend to be culturally and politically liberal, without seeming to realize that real historical paganism was a highly conservative religion. Also, real historical paganism was (by modern standards) extremely patriarchal - same as the cultures which produced it - but modern Wiccans strongly favour sexual equality.
Real pagan men from 2000 years ago would consider women to be more or less their property (this was by no means unique to paganism, of course; it was a social standard followed by pagans along with everyone else), and they performed animal sacrifices, and they didn't see violence as a bad thing - let's not forget that they had gods of war in their pantheons.
They worshiped nature, of course, but nature isn't peaceful, or kind, or fair, or just. Nature isn't cute and cuddly. Nature is this:
Nature is the wolves that attack your livestock. Nature is the winter that kills your children. Nature is the unpredictable seasons that can destroy your crops and leave you starving. Nature is the storm that breaks sailing ships apart. If you live in ancient times, nature is a terrible, cruel, frightening force, a fickle tyrant that might kill you at any time, and demands sacrifice to be appeased. The gods of nature are merciless and treat you like a plaything.
Wicca has none of that fear and awe of ancient paganism, none of the sense that the gods are cruel and angry and demand to be appeased.
Wicca is so... sanitized. Wicca does to paganism what Disney did to The Little Mermaid. In the original fairy tale, the mermaid dies forgotten, heartbroken and alone, because that's what happens to girls who don't obey their fathers. Disney took that cruel and twisted story and turned it into a family-friendly cartoon about how love conquers all - the precise opposite of the original message (which was more along the lines of "fuck your stupid love").
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I actually don't mind the fluffy types. If anything, the reconstructionists tend to get on my nerves a bit more.
by Benuty » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:18 pm
The Grey Wolf wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:You know, that's the weirdest thing about modern Wiccans. They tend to be culturally and politically liberal, without seeming to realize that real historical paganism was a highly conservative religion. Also, real historical paganism was (by modern standards) extremely patriarchal - same as the cultures which produced it - but modern Wiccans strongly favour sexual equality.
Real pagan men from 2000 years ago would consider women to be more or less their property (this was by no means unique to paganism, of course; it was a social standard followed by pagans along with everyone else), and they performed animal sacrifices, and they didn't see violence as a bad thing - let's not forget that they had gods of war in their pantheons.
They worshiped nature, of course, but nature isn't peaceful, or kind, or fair, or just. Nature isn't cute and cuddly. Nature is this:
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Nature is the wolves that attack your livestock. Nature is the winter that kills your children. Nature is the unpredictable seasons that can destroy your crops and leave you starving. Nature is the storm that breaks sailing ships apart. If you live in ancient times, nature is a terrible, cruel, frightening force, a fickle tyrant that might kill you at any time, and demands sacrifice to be appeased. The gods of nature are merciless and treat you like a plaything.
Wicca has none of that fear and awe of ancient paganism, none of the sense that the gods are cruel and angry and demand to be appeased.
Wicca is so... sanitized. Wicca does to paganism what Disney did to The Little Mermaid. In the original fairy tale, the mermaid dies forgotten, heartbroken and alone, because that's what happens to girls who don't obey their fathers. Disney took that cruel and twisted story and turned it into a family-friendly cartoon about how love conquers all - the precise opposite of the original message (which was more along the lines of "fuck your stupid love").
This, this so much.Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I actually don't mind the fluffy types. If anything, the reconstructionists tend to get on my nerves a bit more.
While I'm baffled by both of them, and both tend to make religion some dress up game, the reconstructionists are slightly less annoying than the fluffy types. At least they're trying to at least stay true to the source material, while the Wiccans generally live by some distorted, romanticist crap (not all of them, but perusing their literature suggests most of them actually believe the Celts were some kind of gender equality paradise if not matriarchy and that their religion was the religion they practiced 2,000 years ago until the Christians and their angry sexist sky god came and ruined everything.) there's also the tendency of several of them to character assassinate Aleister Crowley, because of that slightly inconvenient fact that Gardnerripped offborrowed from Thelema.
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