Asda faces mass legal action over equal pay for women

[Southern Hampshire]

The question isn't about 'same type' of job at all. It's more about the value it brings to the company.

If we're going to measure same type of jobs the same way we might as well start paying female footballers the same wages as Wayne Rooney, who cares that male football has a x10000 viewbase and a x1000 revenue?

Or better, let's pay every semi-professional weekend pub Lacrosse player the same wages as Tiger Woods. Same job after all - just sports.

Rather than paying a female footballer the same as Wayne Rooney, I'd happily argue to pay Wayne Rooney the same as a female footballer.

The fact that he gets 15x the median annual wage paid to him every week for kicking a ball around a field is absolutely disgusting.

Are those 90 000 people as skilled as Wayne Rooney? I doubt it.

It seems most of the time the argument is about the statistics and the generalization. After all, it's down to the individual. Wayne Rooney may be one of the best English footballers, but I'm pretty sure that John Smith who works in Morrisons for pennies above the minimum wage isn't the best accountant in England. If we look closely to those 90 000 people, I'm pretty sure none of them would be worth as much in their respective field as Rooney is in his.

Football is a perfect capitalist system. It's only paid for by those who use or watch it. Anyone who doesn't want to get involved doesn't have to and doesn't pay a penny, and I don't think anyone should have a problem with it.

[The UK in Exile]

Rather than paying a female footballer the same as Wayne Rooney, I'd happily argue to pay Wayne Rooney the same as a female footballer.

The fact that he gets 15x the median annual wage paid to him every week for kicking a ball around a field is absolutely disgusting.

Are those 90 000 people as skilled as Wayne Rooney? I doubt it.

It seems most of the time the argument is about the statistics and the generalization. After all, it's down to the individual. Wayne Rooney may be one of the best English footballers, but I'm pretty sure that John Smith who works in Morrisons for pennies above the minimum wage isn't the best accountant in England. If we look closely to those 90 000 people, I'm pretty sure none of them would be worth as much in their respective field as Rooney is in his.

Football is a perfect capitalist system. It's only paid for by those who use or watch it. Anyone who doesn't want to get involved doesn't have to and doesn't pay a penny, and I don't think anyone should have a problem with it.

They wouldn't have lost 4-0 to MK Dons if thats what your asking.

[The Nihilistic view]

Are those 90 000 people as skilled as Wayne Rooney? I doubt it.

It seems most of the time the argument is about the statistics and the generalization. After all, it's down to the individual. Wayne Rooney may be one of the best English footballers, but I'm pretty sure that John Smith who works in Morrisons for pennies above the minimum wage isn't the best accountant in England. If we look closely to those 90 000 people, I'm pretty sure none of them would be worth as much in their respective field as Rooney is in his.

Football is a perfect capitalist system. It's only paid for by those who use or watch it. Anyone who doesn't want to get involved doesn't have to and doesn't pay a penny, and I don't think anyone should have a problem with it.

They wouldn't have lost 4-0 to MK Dons if thats what your asking.

Rooney didn't play against MK dons.....

[Esternial]

Some people don't know what equality means.

I'm shocked.

[The UK in Exile]

They wouldn't have lost 4-0 to MK Dons if thats what your asking.

Rooney didn't play against MK dons.....

That still leaves £75m worth of footballers losing to £500,000 worth.

[Seangoli]

As someone who's had relatives work in both such kinds of positions, warehouse work is a shit-ton different, more difficult and more dangerous than retail floor work.

It's funny, because several people in this thread who have themselves worked in both have said that they are either roughly equivalent or that the warehouse is easier.

Which anecdotal evidence wins? You decide!

It very much depends on what is being referred to as the warehouse. If referring to the back of the store, absolutely. The job isn't that dissimilar. If referring to the distribution warehouse, the jobs couldn't be more different. People working in the distribution warehouse have to meet extremely tight and high quotas, and filling pallets is not the same as unloading (I've done both, and filling dozens of pallets is significantly more difficult than unloading them for a myriad of reasons).

Personally, I think the pay differential between jobs and arguing that it is sexist is actually missing the point and hard. It appears that the pay itself is actually pretty much equal among female and male workers working the same job. The discrimination isn't happening here because of pay itself, really. What one needs to look at, really, is why are more men in the warehouse, and more women working the retail side? Working in retail outlets, I have very little doubt that there is discrimination occurring, but it has little to do with the pay itself and more to do with hiring practices towards the specific jobs. Women are often not hired to work in the warehouse because they are viewed almost automatically as unfit to do the heavy lifting involved with it. This is utter bullshit obviously, but it has been my experience with various stores that this viewpoint is rampant. Relegating them to the retail side, which almost always pays lower.

The point is, I don't think the pay itself is necessarily discriminatory. It's the actual jobs that are deemed appropriate for either gender that is the discriminatory factor.

Of course, I think they should get paid more as general rule, and think that retailers get away with taking advantage of their employees. But the actual discrimination likely isn't occurring in regards to the pay itself, and being paid for similar work (Which may be true, depending on what is being talked about as the warehouse, or may not be at all). The actual discrimination is likely occurring in their hiring practices, and should be the one focused on more heavily. Detracting from it by pointing out a pay differential that exists between different jobs does very little service the actual issue at hand, really. Which is hiring discrimination. And trust me, it most certainly happens. I have seen it at every retailers and warehouse I've worked.

[The Nihilistic view]

Rooney didn't play against MK dons.....

That still leaves £75m worth of footballers losing to £500,000 worth.

That's the economics of football combined with the human factor for you.