Asda faces mass legal action over equal pay for women

[Condunum]

The fun part here is that if the women win, this ruling would also benefit all the men who work in the retail sector of the company too. You'd think it would be a win-win situation as far as it goes.

This will be because MRAs, like Ostro, don't actually care about helping men. They don't. You don't see them actually talking about or doing anything of any substance that would actually help men. No, instead they sit on the internet and complain that women only care about themselves and never do anything to help men (which, of course, is plainly untrue) . They will oppose anything that primarily benefits women and don't care that it may help men as well. They offer no solutions, no answers, and nothing of any value, instead focusing on spewing sexist bullshit in the direction of anybody who dares to challenge their worldview in an attempt to destroy them. And why won't the girl in English class have sex with them? After all, they were nice to her that one time so surely she owes them.

They're reactionaries who oppose any notion of equality between men and women. Why? Because, at heart, they're desperate misogynists struggling pathetically to keep the uppity women in our place - as objects existing solely for the enjoyment of men.

I've seen Ostro detail out ways he thinks problems can be solved. I've also seen him waffle about in anger-fueled rant posts. He's not a boogieman, despite the caricature of the MRA that so many enjoy.

[Ostroeuropa]

This will be because MRAs, like Ostro, don't actually care about helping men. They don't. You don't see them actually talking about or doing anything of any substance that would actually help men. No, instead they sit on the internet and complain that women only care about themselves and never do anything to help men (which, of course, is plainly untrue) . They will oppose anything that primarily benefits women and don't care that it may help men as well. They offer no solutions, no answers, and nothing of any value, instead focusing on spewing sexist bullshit in the direction of anybody who dares to challenge their worldview in an attempt to destroy them. And why won't the girl in English class have sex with them? After all, they were nice to her that one time so surely she owes them.

They're reactionaries who oppose any notion of equality between men and women. Why? Because, at heart, they're desperate misogynists struggling pathetically to keep the uppity women in our place - as objects existing solely for the enjoyment of men.

I've seen Ostro detail out ways he thinks problems can be solved. I've also seen him waffle about in anger-fueled rant posts. He's not a boogieman, despite the caricature of the MRA that so many enjoy.

I do get a bit embarrassed about the waffling, but usually it's not anger. It's suicidal overconfidence and smugness that does me in.

[Condunum]

I've seen Ostro detail out ways he thinks problems can be solved. I've also seen him waffle about in anger-fueled rant posts. He's not a boogieman, despite the caricature of the MRA that so many enjoy.

I do get a bit embarrassed about the waffling, but usually it's not anger. It's suicidal overconfidence and smugness that does me in.

I wanted to say that, but it's not my place to call someone else out for being smug. It really, really isn't.

[Galloism]

I've seen Ostro detail out ways he thinks problems can be solved. I've also seen him waffle about in anger-fueled rant posts. He's not a boogieman, despite the caricature of the MRA that so many enjoy.

I do get a bit embarrassed about the waffling, but usually it's not anger. It's suicidal overconfidence and smugness that does me in.

...

I find this... unlikely.

[Greed and Death]

As a subsidy of Walmart Asda gets to cite to the American Case law, namely Wal-Mart v. Dukes, 564 U.S. ___ (2011)
Where because Walmart has a policy against sex discrimination they clearly did not commit it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Armchair psychoanalysis 101, course taught by prof. Nadkor

She's still right though.

MRA's simply hate women, they have an awful track record in this regard, and in general they offer very few solutions to any of the problems that men face,

Ban circumsicions incrementally (banned for except for religious reasons. Banned without consent of both parents. Banned in public healthcare. Allow 16 year olds who dislike the decision to sue their parents and doctors. Then ban it completely. You can boil a frog.)
, desegregate everything, fix the prison system and move toward rehab, legalize LPS, end gender roles, either scrap the draft or include women, utilize an MRA narrative to understand societal sexism and combat it (Though personally I think you also need a feminist narrative), pass a law demanding equal coverage in DV/Rape advertisements and commercials.

But no, they have no solutions. It couldn't be that you just aren't really listening and assuming they just hate women as an excuse to justify your rejection of their demand for basic rights.

They have nothing important to say, how could they, they hate women. I know as much because they never have anything important to say. (Doublethink bollocks to justify you ignoring males and their issues.) Or perhaps you simply havn't talked to the right ones.

Personally? I suspect it's that you've not talked to any of them and are just accepting what feminists tell you about them. That is willful ignorance.

[Susurruses]

She's still right though.

MRA's simply hate women, they have an awful track record in this regard, and in general they offer very few solutions to any of the problems that men face,

Ban circumsicions incrementally (banned for except for religious reasons. Banned without consent of both parents. Banned in public healthcare. Allow 16 year olds who dislike the decision to sue their parents and doctors. Then ban it completely. You can boil a frog.)
, desegregate everything, fix the prison system and move toward rehab, legalize LPS, end gender roles, either scrap the draft or include women, utilize an MRA narrative to understand societal sexism and combat it (Though personally I think you also need a feminist narrative), pass a law demanding equal coverage in DV/Rape advertisements and commercials.

But no, they have no solutions. It couldn't be that you just aren't really listening and assuming they just hate women as an excuse to justify your rejection of their demand for basic rights.

They have nothing important to say, how could they, they hate women. I know as much because they never have anything important to say. (Doublethink bollocks to justify you ignoring males and their issues.) Or perhaps you simply havn't talked to the right ones.

Personally? I suspect it's that you've not talked to any of them and are just accepting what feminists tell you about them. That is willful ignorance.

Pretty sure this is veering wildly off-topic, since circumcisions have nothing to do with Asda/Walmart.
(Additionally it is actually a valid medical procedure so you can't really call for an outright ban without throwing anyone that happens to need it under the metaphorical bus, but let's keep this as a minor stumble off-track.

Then again, do you have any interest in something that isn't about these mythical evil feminists &/or retail workers struggling for fair pay despite it also benefiting men and not harming the warehouse workers?

[Neutraligon]

As a subsidy of Walmart Asda gets to cite to the American Case law, namely Wal-Mart v. Dukes, 564 U.S. ___ (2011)
Where because Walmart has a policy against sex discrimination they clearly did not commit it.

Why would a US case hold in a non_US country?

[Manisdog]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

[Washington Resistance Army]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

Paying someone half their pay pissed you off? That doesn't make sense, you're paying them less why the fuck are you mad?

[Manisdog]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

Paying someone half their pay pissed you off? That doesn't make sense, you're paying them less why the fuck are you mad?

because you don't work should I still pay you

[Washington Resistance Army]

Paying someone half their pay pissed you off? That doesn't make sense, you're paying them less why the fuck are you mad?

because you don't work should I still pay you

Given women can work most of those nine months I'm gonna have to call bullshit, sorry. If you want to spew misogynistic nonsense at least do it in a way that isn't completely stupid.

[Ifreann]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

I don't believe you have any employees, enjoy your hand.

[Nadkor]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

I've always wondered just how soulless you have to be to begrudge giving paid maternity/paternity leave. So tell us - what was it, precisely, that renderered you incapable of even a basic level of empathy and happiness for other people? Must be a bitter life you've got going there. I bet you're one of those people who complains about children laughing and enjoying themselves in a park or something.

I mean, that's even before getting to the clear business case for offering good conditions to your employees in order to attract and retain the best staff you can get. It's like people who are hiring and advertise a job at minimum wage with crap holidays and wonder why they're only attracting applicants underqualified, underexperienced, or unsuitable for the role. Or that the economy, upon the health of which the survival of your business probably depends, generally requires that there are new people to replace the dead ones.

But whatever. Bloody women, eh? How dare she want to have chilldren, it's just a disgrace. It really shouldn't be allowed. And you had to pay her while she was off?! Political correctness gone mad, I tell you. Bring back the workhouse, I say. The selfish bitch won't know what's hit her.

[Nadkor]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

I don't believe you have any employees, enjoy your hand.

Well yes, obviously this.

[Greed and Death]

As a subsidy of Walmart Asda gets to cite to the American Case law, namely Wal-Mart v. Dukes, 564 U.S. ___ (2011)
Where because Walmart has a policy against sex discrimination they clearly did not commit it.

Why would a US case hold in a non_US country?

Because American corporate interest are at stake, and failure to do as the supreme court tells you results in a liberating the hell out of.

[Greed and Death]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

I've always wondered just how soulless you have to be to begrudge giving paid maternity/paternity leave. So tell us - what was it, precisely, that renderered you incapable of even a basic level of empathy and happiness for other people? Must be a bitter life you've got going there. I bet you're one of those people who complains about children laughing and enjoying themselves in a park or something.

I mean, that's even before getting to the clear business case for offering good conditions to your employees in order to attract and retain the best staff you can get. It's like people who are hiring and advertise a job at minimum wage with crap holidays and wonder why they're only attracting applicants underqualified, underexperienced, or unsuitable for the role. Or that the economy, upon the health of which the survival of your business probably depends, generally requires that there are new people to replace the dead ones.

But whatever. Bloody women, eh? How dare she want to have chilldren, it's just a disgrace. It really shouldn't be allowed. And you had to pay her while she was off?! Political correctness gone mad, I tell you. Bring back the workhouse, I say. The selfish bitch won't know what's hit her.

We are talking about ASDA employees, if they were the best most qualified people they would have worked in something other than retail.

[Nadkor]

I've always wondered just how soulless you have to be to begrudge giving paid maternity/paternity leave. So tell us - what was it, precisely, that renderered you incapable of even a basic level of empathy and happiness for other people? Must be a bitter life you've got going there. I bet you're one of those people who complains about children laughing and enjoying themselves in a park or something.

I mean, that's even before getting to the clear business case for offering good conditions to your employees in order to attract and retain the best staff you can get. It's like people who are hiring and advertise a job at minimum wage with crap holidays and wonder why they're only attracting applicants underqualified, underexperienced, or unsuitable for the role. Or that the economy, upon the health of which the survival of your business probably depends, generally requires that there are new people to replace the dead ones.

But whatever. Bloody women, eh? How dare she want to have chilldren, it's just a disgrace. It really shouldn't be allowed. And you had to pay her while she was off?! Political correctness gone mad, I tell you. Bring back the workhouse, I say. The selfish bitch won't know what's hit her.

We are talking about ASDA employees, if they were the best most qualified people they would have worked in something other than retail.

No, Manisdog is talking about some fictional employee of his.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

So, Ostro, you got tired of the shit flinging and vitriol of the last sexism thread and thought "you know what? I'd like to get pissed off and yell at people some more!"? On to the subject of the OP: Yeah, they're not the same jobs exactly. The question is, are they doing equivalent work? Given that there's no objective scale of how hard someone is working, I suppose I'd have to be closer to the situation to make a call.

[Manisdog]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

I've always wondered just how soulless you have to be to begrudge giving paid maternity/paternity leave. So tell us - what was it, precisely, that renderered you incapable of even a basic level of empathy and happiness for other people? Must be a bitter life you've got going there. I bet you're one of those people who complains about children laughing and enjoying themselves in a park or something.

I mean, that's even before getting to the clear business case for offering good conditions to your employees in order to attract and retain the best staff you can get. It's like people who are hiring and advertise a job at minimum wage with crap holidays and wonder why they're only attracting applicants underqualified, underexperienced, or unsuitable for the role. Or that the economy, upon the health of which the survival of your business probably depends, generally requires that there are new people to replace the dead ones.

But whatever. Bloody women, eh? How dare she want to have chilldren, it's just a disgrace. It really shouldn't be allowed. And you had to pay her while she was off?! Political correctness gone mad, I tell you. Bring back the workhouse, I say. The selfish bitch won't know what's hit her.

Not if your a small business it is a pain in the arse, I am willing to pay if you work, I have paid a bonus when I think someone has done a good job, The law requires me to pay anyways why should i or as a fact of the matter anyone pay maternity leave, I mean if you don't work you should not get paid but the stupid law makes you do it

[Southern Hampshire]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

I work in the NHS mate. I work in a department where I do have the responsibility to hire people. I once had a reasonably well qualified candidate (I did not hire her, it went up the chain and my manager hired her). This complete bitch went on maternity leave five weeks after she was hired and quit the job shortly after she came back from maternity leave. Basically, taxpayers paid for her to get pregnant, get her training, and then her child benefits.

The five weeks she 'worked' was nearly all full of training rather than working.

Liberals and Socialists love to point out compassion and generosity but fail to see that the majority of people who use the system are there to reap it, rather than respect it.

[Manisdog]

just so let it be known my dad paid that particular employee, a little more than what was necessary and went above and beyond t the call of duty but if I inherit it things would be different, If I keep paying people for no work than there would be a loss and nobody would have a job. I can understand why women should be paid less, think of it this way maternity leaves are an expensive on the accounts, women get this money later in the form of maternity benefit. We pay all our employees equally and I would argue we overpay them but that is something I do not see happening in the future.

[Shove Piggy Shove]

I've always wondered just how soulless you have to be to begrudge giving paid maternity/paternity leave. So tell us - what was it, precisely, that renderered you incapable of even a basic level of empathy and happiness for other people? Must be a bitter life you've got going there. I bet you're one of those people who complains about children laughing and enjoying themselves in a park or something.

I mean, that's even before getting to the clear business case for offering good conditions to your employees in order to attract and retain the best staff you can get. It's like people who are hiring and advertise a job at minimum wage with crap holidays and wonder why they're only attracting applicants underqualified, underexperienced, or unsuitable for the role. Or that the economy, upon the health of which the survival of your business probably depends, generally requires that there are new people to replace the dead ones.

But whatever. Bloody women, eh? How dare she want to have chilldren, it's just a disgrace. It really shouldn't be allowed. And you had to pay her while she was off?! Political correctness gone mad, I tell you. Bring back the workhouse, I say. The selfish bitch won't know what's hit her.

Not if your a small business it is a pain in the arse, I am willing to pay if you work, I have paid a bonus when I think someone has done a good job, The law requires me to pay anyways why should i or as a fact of the matter anyone pay maternity leave, I mean if you don't work you should not get paid but the stupid law makes you do it

The majority of employers can re-claim 92% of the SMP from HMRC, and small businesses (<£45,000 NI contributions in the past year) can re-claim 103% of the SMP. At most, a company's net weekly spend on an employee on maternity leave will be £11.05, which equates to £364.65 over the 33 weeks which the mother is entitled to SMP - it's not really going to break the bank.

[Manisdog]

I once had to pay one of my employees half her pay when she was knocked up nine months it pissed me off

I work in the NHS mate. I work in a department where I do have the responsibility to hire people. I once had a reasonably well qualified candidate (I did not hire her, it went up the chain and my manager hired her). This complete bitch went on maternity leave five weeks after she was hired and quit the job shortly after she came back from maternity leave. Basically, taxpayers paid for her to get pregnant, get her training, and then her child benefits.

The five weeks she 'worked' was nearly all full of training rather than working.

Liberals and Socialists love to point out compassion and generosity but fail to see that the majority of people who use the system are there to reap it, rather than respect it.

Where would the compassion and generosity go when we are out business

[Ifreann]

just so let it be known my dad paid that particular employee,

So like I said, you don't have any employees.