Asda faces mass legal action over equal pay for women

[Lordieth]

The majority of those affected are women but interestingly, there are also some male employees working in the stores who are taking part in the process. They would also see a pay rise if the action taken on behalf of women under equal pay legislation is successful.

Edit: I'm going to dig further before commenting on this.

[Fartsniffage]

More profit isn't always the aim. I worked for a company, that shall remain nameless, whose profit announcement always got them raked over the coals in the British press. One year they gave every member of staff a not insubstantial random bonus to bring their profit level down because the extra money was not worth the bad publicity.

Well they should have given dividends/bonus shares to shareholders instead, what a waste of money

That's the point, if they'd done that then it probably would have cost them more in revenue the next year due to bad publicity. It made more sense to give the money to staff, who had generate the profts in the first place, than to risk bad publicity.

[Manisdog]

Well they should have given dividends/bonus shares to shareholders instead, what a waste of money

That's the point, if they'd done that then it probably would have cost them more in revenue the next year due to bad publicity. It made more sense to give the money to staff, who had generate the profts in the first place, than to risk bad publicity.

Coal is a primary industry, the demand for coal will always be high no matter what

In India you need to be really rich to pay a realy big bribe to be alloted a coal block something which is now known as the coalgate scam is now common knowledge this what happens when you let governments allocate things

[Fartsniffage]

That's the point, if they'd done that then it probably would have cost them more in revenue the next year due to bad publicity. It made more sense to give the money to staff, who had generate the profts in the first place, than to risk bad publicity.

Coal is a primary industry, the demand for coal will always be high no matter what

I have never been a miner. But reasonably close in terms of industry....

[Manisdog]

Coal is a primary industry, the demand for coal will always be high no matter what

I have never been a miner. But reasonably close in terms of industry....

you said coal

[Eleanor Ritas]

That's the point, if they'd done that then it probably would have cost them more in revenue the next year due to bad publicity. It made more sense to give the money to staff, who had generate the profts in the first place, than to risk bad publicity.

Coal is a primary industry, the demand for coal will always be high no matter what

In India you need to be really rich to pay a realy big bribe to be alloted a coal block something which is now known as the coalgate scam is now common knowledge this what happens when you let governments allocate things

You really believe that in fifty years we'll still be burning the hydrocarbon remains of ancient life for energy?

[Fartsniffage]

I have never been a miner. But reasonably close in terms of industry....

you said coal

No I didn't....

[Nadkor]

No. I'm saying that, as a man, it's not a huge shock that he's never seen it. Not that no men ever experience it, or that no men ever notice it, or that all or any men are incapable of seeing it.

Just that it's not a surprise that a man hasn't seen it.



Condunum - the "not all men" thing? This is it in action. Enjoy.

This does not validate the false generalization.

Right, but you see this isn't a generalisation at all.

A generalisation at all would be, say, "no men experience or notice sexual harassment". Which would obviously be nonsense.

This is "as men are significantly less likely to experience sexual harassment it's not surprising that a man hasn't noticed it". This is entirely reasonable.

It's not surprising that, before she died, my 92 year old grandmother didn't know how to use a computer. This is not to say that no 92 year old grandmothers know how to use computers, only that it's not surprising that a 92 year old grandmother didn't know how to use one.

The "but not all men!" thing? You're doing it. You should probably stop doing it.

No, it's that harassment happening in the workplace, whether it's ignored or not, is a highly gendered issue.

And he is of the gender that is substantially less likely to have any experience of it.

It is, therefore, unsurprising that he is not aware of it.

Is the entire point.

I think you fail to grasp just how huge an issue workplace harassment is. It's not that men are harassed less, it's that harassment of male workers isn't sexual, it's violent.

And that's obviously terrible and I'm sure you're doing plenty to help raise awareness of and help combat that, but right now that's not what we're talking about.

[Nadkor]

As someone who's had relatives work in both such kinds of positions, warehouse work is a shit-ton different, more difficult and more dangerous than retail floor work.

It's funny, because several people in this thread who have themselves worked in both have said that they are either roughly equivalent or that the warehouse is easier.

Which anecdotal evidence wins? You decide!

[Nadkor]

Coal is a primary industry, the demand for coal will always be high no matter what

I have never been a miner. But reasonably close in terms of industry....

At a guess I'd say British Gas / Centrica? They can't make a tenner without taking a slagging.

[Occupied Deutschland]

As someone who's had relatives work in both such kinds of positions, warehouse work is a shit-ton different, more difficult and more dangerous than retail floor work.

It's funny, because several people in this thread who have themselves worked in both have said that they are either roughly equivalent or that the warehouse is easier.

Which anecdotal evidence wins? You decide!

Indeed they have.
Which was precisely why that was there.
Along with the rest of the post which made that clear:

As someone who's had relatives work in both such kinds of positions, warehouse work is a shit-ton different, more difficult and more dangerous than retail floor work.

Perhaps this is a case of the similarity varying by company. So don't laugh them out of court I suppose. Though if such turns out to be true as I have a sneaking suspicion it is, then laugh them out of court.

Not sure what exactly you imagined the relevance of your pointing others anecdotal evidence out when that's precisely what my post did.

[Kelinfort]

One Asda store worker I spoke to said that the work was the same whether you were in the shop or in the warehouse - packing and unpacking pallets of clothes and food and putting stock on shelves, often through the night.

She said she should be paid the same as the men working in the warehouse.

If that's true, then they should be paid equally.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

I have never been a miner. But reasonably close in terms of industry....

you said coal

Sniff said the company was "raked over the coals", a common idiom meaning being subjected to harsh treatment, hyperbolically expressed through the imagery of being dragged through a fire.

[Fartsniffage]

I have never been a miner. But reasonably close in terms of industry....

At a guess I'd say British Gas / Centrica? They can't make a tenner without taking a slagging.

[Manisdog]

you said coal

Sniff said the company was "raked over the coals", a common idiom meaning being subjected to harsh treatment, hyperbolically expressed through the imagery of being dragged through a fire.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding

[Nadkor]

At a guess I'd say British Gas / Centrica? They can't make a tenner without taking a slagging.

In one of my more desperately poor student days I did a stint selling stuff for E.on for a bit of a summer.

Whenever British Gas made a profit announcement my job became a million times easier.

I didn't last at it though, because I have a conscience.

[Fartsniffage]

In one of my more desperately poor student days I did a stint selling stuff for E.on for a bit of a summer.

Whenever British Gas made a profit announcement my job became a million times easier.

I didn't last at it though, because I have a conscience.

We used to have fun compiling our annual complaint to OFGEM about mis-selling by other companies based on the fact they were telling customers that BG was foreign owned because Centrica sounds a bit French. 2nd worst offender? EDF.......

[Geilinor]

The women say their jobs are of "equivalent value", they very well may be doing the same or similar work.

[Nadkor]

In one of my more desperately poor student days I did a stint selling stuff for E.on for a bit of a summer.

Whenever British Gas made a profit announcement my job became a million times easier.

I didn't last at it though, because I have a conscience.

We used to have fun compiling our annual complaint to OFGEM about mis-selling by other companies based on the fact they were telling customers that BG was foreign owned because Centrica sounds a bit French. 2nd worst offender? EDF.......

Ha, superb.

We were told plenty of times to make sure customers knew EDF were Electricite de France.

E.on being, of course, German. We weren't told so much to mention that.

God, I hated that job.

[Southern Hampshire]

The question isn't about 'same type' of job at all. It's more about the value it brings to the company.

If we're going to measure same type of jobs the same way we might as well start paying female footballers the same wages as Wayne Rooney, who cares that male football has a x10000 viewbase and a x1000 revenue?

Or better, let's pay every semi-professional weekend pub Lacrosse player the same wages as Tiger Woods. Same job after all - just sports.

[Nadkor]

The question isn't about 'same type' of job at all. It's more about the value it brings to the company.

If we're going to measure same type of jobs the same way we might as well start paying female footballers the same wages as Wayne Rooney, who cares that male football has a x10000 viewbase and a x1000 revenue?

Or better, let's pay every semi-professional weekend pub Lacrosse player the same wages as Tiger Woods. Same job after all - just sports.

Rather than paying a female footballer the same as Wayne Rooney, I'd happily argue to pay Wayne Rooney the same as a female footballer.

The fact that he gets 15x the median annual wage paid to him every week for kicking a ball around a field is absolutely disgusting.

[Condunum]

The question isn't about 'same type' of job at all. It's more about the value it brings to the company.

If we're going to measure same type of jobs the same way we might as well start paying female footballers the same wages as Wayne Rooney, who cares that male football has a x10000 viewbase and a x1000 revenue?

Or better, let's pay every semi-professional weekend pub Lacrosse player the same wages as Tiger Woods. Same job after all - just sports.

Rather than paying a female footballer the same as Wayne Rooney, I'd happily argue to pay Wayne Rooney the same as a female footballer.

The fact that he gets 15x the median annual wage paid to him every week for kicking a ball around a field is absolutely disgusting.

FIFA is a despicable decrepit organization that deserves all the condemnation in the world and none of their money.

...

But god dammit if I can't ever remember that when the world cup comes around.

[Nadkor]

Rather than paying a female footballer the same as Wayne Rooney, I'd happily argue to pay Wayne Rooney the same as a female footballer.

The fact that he gets 15x the median annual wage paid to him every week for kicking a ball around a field is absolutely disgusting.

FIFA is a despicable decrepit organization that deserves all the condemnation in the world and none of their money.

...

But god dammit if I can't ever remember that when the world cup comes around.

Don't get me wrong - I like football. I do.

But the combined annual pay of the 500 players in the English Premier League could provide 90,000 people with the UK's median annual wage.

And I don't really think that's okay.

[Condunum]

FIFA is a despicable decrepit organization that deserves all the condemnation in the world and none of their money.

...

But god dammit if I can't ever remember that when the world cup comes around.

Don't get me wrong - I like football. I do.

But the combined annual pay of the 500 players in the English Premier League could provide 90,000 people with the UK's median annual wage.

And I don't really think that's okay.

And that's just median pay. Livable wages it supports even more. Which,all just points more towards how abhorrent it is to pay athletes so much.

[WestRedMaple]

The question isn't about 'same type' of job at all. It's more about the value it brings to the company.

If we're going to measure same type of jobs the same way we might as well start paying female footballers the same wages as Wayne Rooney, who cares that male football has a x10000 viewbase and a x1000 revenue?

Or better, let's pay every semi-professional weekend pub Lacrosse player the same wages as Tiger Woods. Same job after all - just sports.

Rather than paying a female footballer the same as Wayne Rooney, I'd happily argue to pay Wayne Rooney the same as a female footballer.

The fact that he gets 15x the median annual wage paid to him every week for kicking a ball around a field is absolutely disgusting.

And if you don't like it, then you're free to not support it. Obviously there are many people who think that ability to kick a ball is worth money