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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:16 pm

Olerand wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:1- I don't much like arbitrary power, and much prefer a government in which power is divided between different institutions; I oppose tyranny by minority or by majority. However, I do admire the ideals of the enlightened absolutists, and I consider an enlightened despotism to be a preferable form of government than democracy in less developed nations. Voltaire is one of my main political and philosophical influences.

2- Monarchy is far from done. I live in a monarchy. I also know quite a few French monarchists, and even a few American monarchists. Monarchy is the most successful form of government in the history of the world.

3- Makes me glad we're not joined to you lot anymore. Thank God for the English Channel.

1- Interesting. An "enlightened bureaucratic monarchy" then?

As I said before, I prefer an executive constitutional monarchy. By which I mean a monarchy in which the monarch is restricted by a written or unwritten constitution, and regulated by a strong aristocracy, bureaucracy, and elected bodies. My views are of course shaped by my nationality; other countries have their own traditions and may be suited to a more autocratic or democratic method of governance. In large nations with powerful executives, however, like the Russian Empire or Imperial China, I would advocate a high degree of decentralisation as a check on tyranny as well as to increase governmental efficiency. In short, I'm a believer in the principle of subsidiarity; as the Carlists put it, Dios, Patria, Fueros, Rey- God, Fatherland, Local Rule, and King. Although unlike the Carlists, I'm not entirely sure about God.
2- Well, by monarchy, I meant ours of course. The French monarchy is not coming back. As for those French monarchists, they are fighting a lost fight too. The Republic is heavily ingrained in our country today, and support for the retrograde Bourbons is quasi-non-existent.

Anything is possible. History is unpredictable, and the French monarchy has been restored in some shape of form three times already since the revolution.
3- Anymore? When were you ever?
And you got off lucky. So much of your history is just due to you being across the Channel.
You didn't go through what we did because your distance from Rome made you less influenced by the Church's power, and thus not as interested in massive witch hunts and Catholic vs. Protestant slaughters.

Oh, about 10,000 years ago. The landbridge was flooded at the end of the last ice age. That Britain is blessed with an optimum geographical position I will not debate.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:19 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Text People wrote:You and your ilk give up Bonobos as your idols and I'll stop my worship of dawgs.

I wasn't aware I had an ilk.

You're the master Ilk, Khan Ifreann the ruthless of the Ilkhanate.

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Postby Olerand » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:32 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Anything is possible. History is unpredictable, and the French monarchy has been restored in some shape of form three times already since the revolution.

Well, those were very different times, and the Restoration was imposed on France, but true enough. No one ever knows what will happen in the future, even if I highly doubt the return of the Bourbons.
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Postby Text People » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:40 pm

Camelza wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I wasn't aware I had an ilk.

You're the master Ilk, Khan Ifreann the ruthless of the Ilkhanate.

As long as I can have my ilk, and promote it sometimes, you can be whomever or whatever you please.

I prefer ilks, factions, tribes. If I can find a way to opt out of da human fambly and be a backward, socially isolated and narrow-minded white boy, I'll take the opportunity, and you would never hear from me again. :)

I'm not down with your program.

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Postby Camelza » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:50 pm

Text People wrote:
Camelza wrote:You're the master Ilk, Khan Ifreann the ruthless of the Ilkhanate.

As long as I can have my ilk, and promote it sometimes, you can be whomever or whatever you please.

I prefer ilks, factions, tribes. If I can find a way to opt out of da human fambly and be a backward, socially isolated and narrow-minded white boy, I'll take the opportunity, and you would never hear from me again. :)
I'm not down with your program.

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Postby Tyrandel » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:56 pm

People of the shade #FFFFFF are white. I am not sure even albinos are that pale.
Europeans are more peach or beige.

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Postby Geanna » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:56 pm

Text People wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:I own two dogs and have dealt with many others in the past. The fact you seem to think wild dogs are the same as domesticated species talks about your experience with dogs.

Excuse me, I've owned horses, dogs, and other animals that tend to form their own little societies with ins and outs. Even cats have a social strata in groups. I was able to care for and observe plenty. Two dogs is not a great example.


Excuse me, I'm not racist, I have black friends.

Eugenics is an utterly ridiculous belief and should be purged - it among nationalism are the two greatest cancers to human society.
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Postby Text People » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:00 pm

Geanna wrote:
Text People wrote:Excuse me, I've owned horses, dogs, and other animals that tend to form their own little societies with ins and outs. Even cats have a social strata in groups. I was able to care for and observe plenty. Two dogs is not a great example.


Excuse me, I'm not racist, I have black friends.

Eugenics is an utterly ridiculous belief and should be purged - it among nationalism are the two greatest cancers to human society.

LoL. I am racist and I don't want black friends.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:00 pm

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LoL. I am racist and I don't want black friends.

That's quite alright. I doubt they'd want you.
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Postby Lingang » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:05 pm

Text People wrote:
Geanna wrote:
Excuse me, I'm not racist, I have black friends.

Eugenics is an utterly ridiculous belief and should be purged - it among nationalism are the two greatest cancers to human society.

LoL. I am racist and I don't want black friends.

We wouldn't want to be friends with you :) (that is, of course, if you're being serious).
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Postby Text People » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:13 pm

Lingang wrote:
Text People wrote:LoL. I am racist and I don't want black friends.

We wouldn't want to be friends with you :) (that is, of course, if you're being serious).

I'm grateful and relieved. I can actually respect you much more when I'm not expected to. Pushy anti-racist whites are not doing you any favors. You realize that, right?

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:14 pm

Text People wrote:
Lingang wrote:We wouldn't want to be friends with you :) (that is, of course, if you're being serious).

I'm grateful and relieved. I can actually respect you much more when I'm not expected to. Pushy anti-racist whites are not doing you any favors. You realize that, right?


Racist whites are, of course, much better for minorities.

Also, as a Sinhala Australian, take your respect

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Postby Utceforp » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:15 pm

Text People wrote:
Lingang wrote:We wouldn't want to be friends with you :) (that is, of course, if you're being serious).

I'm grateful and relieved. I can actually respect you much more when I'm not expected to. Pushy anti-racist whites are not doing you any favors. You realize that, right?

The vast majority of people are anti-racist without being quote-unquote "pushy" about it, and pushy anti-racists are infinitely preferable to any kind of racist.
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Postby Text People » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:22 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Text People wrote:I'm grateful and relieved. I can actually respect you much more when I'm not expected to. Pushy anti-racist whites are not doing you any favors. You realize that, right?


Racist whites are, of course, much better for minorities.

Oh, I know. The racial attitudes and simple preferences of some white people are a dire threat to the safety of blacks. _________________

Differences in viewpoints and a love of one's own (whether you can appreciate that or not) is not a danger.

I know that you will now tell me all about the human family.

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Postby Lingang » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:26 pm

Text People wrote:
Lingang wrote:We wouldn't want to be friends with you :) (that is, of course, if you're being serious).

I'm grateful and relieved. I can actually respect you much more when I'm not expected to. Pushy anti-racist whites are not doing you any favors. You realize that, right?

Well, neither are people like you. And anti-racist whites are a million times better than the racist sort. You realize that, right?
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:29 pm

Text People wrote:I know that you will now tell me all about the human family.


Unfortunately, much like you, I am not a biology professor.

So it's not my place to comment, besides the fact that I happen to quite enjoy it when my Asian and my white and my African friends can in fact talk to each other without invading Poland.

And, much like you, I am of the opinion that people have the right to associate with who they wish.

Unlike certain posters in this thread, I am not of the opinion that there are superior races, that people can be 'honorarily white' by toeing the white supremacist line, and that segregation works to the interest of anyone other than the people taking power in a segregated community.

And, strangely enough, just because you call it "love of one's own" does not mean that a radical Christian anarchist like myself isn't going to be inclined towards calling it a Satanic fear-mongering powergrab by legitimizing terrorism through the apparatus of ethnic sovereignty.

Like it or not, you are allowed to associate with whoever the fuck you want - but that doesn't mean you get to move into someone else's town and kick them out, call them inferior, or whatever else, without them having the right to return the favour and remind you that your ideologies are incorrect and based on self-interest.

"Love of one's own" doesn't apply when you use an arbitrary, dynamic definition of "one's own" based upon selfish self-interest.

I refer you to "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution", by someone who IS a biologist - Peter Kropotkin, a capable evolutionary theorist, philosopher, and geologist. To summarize, having read his autobiography and very much enjoyed it, one would argue that your "love of one's own", being a self-interested imposition of a meaningless norm (your definition of "your own"), is contrary to the evolution of human cooperation and society.

Ethnic nationalism is unnatural and anti-evolution. It is anti-God, anti-Human, and entirely without foundation in evolutionary biology.

That's entirely ignoring the fact that 'race' doesn't even exist to the same degree required to make your whole house of cards even worth building. The house of cards, regardless of what little it achieves, is already burning dogshit.
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Postby Text People » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:33 pm

Lingang wrote:
Text People wrote:I'm grateful and relieved. I can actually respect you much more when I'm not expected to. Pushy anti-racist whites are not doing you any favors. You realize that, right?

Well, neither are people like you. And anti-racist whites are a million times better than the racist sort. You realize that, right?

A whole million times better??

Are you expressing a feeling of superiority to me? :o

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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:33 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:
Similar skin colors is just a coincidence. Also, people notice other things like skull structure and facial features, as well as other physical features. Whites, for example, have wider hips than blacks.

Then why can individuals from different (racial) populations relate closer to other "races" than their own?

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Postby Utceforp » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:35 pm

Text People wrote:
Lingang wrote:Well, neither are people like you. And anti-racist whites are a million times better than the racist sort. You realize that, right?

A whole million times better??

Are you expressing a feeling of superiority to me? :o

A racist really shouldn't complain about people with feelings of superiority.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:36 pm

Text People wrote:
Lingang wrote:Well, neither are people like you. And anti-racist whites are a million times better than the racist sort. You realize that, right?

A whole million times better??

Are you expressing a feeling of superiority to me? :o


Superiority is not defined by an inherent capacity to achieve, but a person's willful attempt to improve themselves.
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Postby Lingang » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:36 pm

Text People wrote:
Lingang wrote:Well, neither are people like you. And anti-racist whites are a million times better than the racist sort. You realize that, right?

A whole million times better??

Are you expressing a feeling of superiority to me? :o

I don't like your snarky attitude
Really? You're not funny.
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Postby Geanna » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:38 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Text People wrote:I know that you will now tell me all about the human family.


Unfortunately, much like you, I am not a biology professor.

So it's not my place to comment, besides the fact that I happen to quite enjoy it when my Asian and my white and my African friends can in fact talk to each other without invading Poland.

And, much like you, I am of the opinion that people have the right to associate with who they wish.

Unlike certain posters in this thread, I am not of the opinion that there are superior races, that people can be 'honorarily white' by toeing the white supremacist line, and that segregation works to the interest of anyone other than the people taking power in a segregated community.

And, strangely enough, just because you call it "love of one's own" does not mean that a radical Christian anarchist like myself isn't going to be inclined towards calling it a Satanic fear-mongering powergrab by legitimizing terrorism through the apparatus of ethnic sovereignty.

Like it or not, you are allowed to associate with whoever the fuck you want - but that doesn't mean you get to move into someone else's town and kick them out, call them inferior, or whatever else, without them having the right to return the favour and remind you that your ideologies are incorrect and based on self-interest.

"Love of one's own" doesn't apply when you use an arbitrary, dynamic definition of "one's own" based upon selfish self-interest.

I refer you to "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution", by someone who IS a biologist - Peter Kropotkin, a capable evolutionary theorist, philosopher, and geologist. To summarize, having read his autobiography and very much enjoyed it, one would argue that your "love of one's own", being a self-interested imposition of a meaningless norm (your definition of "your own"), is contrary to the evolution of human cooperation and society.

Ethnic nationalism is unnatural and anti-evolution. It is anti-God, anti-Human, and entirely without foundation in evolutionary biology.

That's entirely ignoring the fact that 'race' doesn't even exist to the same degree required to make your whole house of cards even worth building. The house of cards, regardless of what little it achieves, is already burning dogshit.


Eugenics is hardly a science - so you don't need a degree to debate against ignorance.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:38 pm

Geanna wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Unfortunately, much like you, I am not a biology professor.

So it's not my place to comment, besides the fact that I happen to quite enjoy it when my Asian and my white and my African friends can in fact talk to each other without invading Poland.

And, much like you, I am of the opinion that people have the right to associate with who they wish.

Unlike certain posters in this thread, I am not of the opinion that there are superior races, that people can be 'honorarily white' by toeing the white supremacist line, and that segregation works to the interest of anyone other than the people taking power in a segregated community.

And, strangely enough, just because you call it "love of one's own" does not mean that a radical Christian anarchist like myself isn't going to be inclined towards calling it a Satanic fear-mongering powergrab by legitimizing terrorism through the apparatus of ethnic sovereignty.

Like it or not, you are allowed to associate with whoever the fuck you want - but that doesn't mean you get to move into someone else's town and kick them out, call them inferior, or whatever else, without them having the right to return the favour and remind you that your ideologies are incorrect and based on self-interest.

"Love of one's own" doesn't apply when you use an arbitrary, dynamic definition of "one's own" based upon selfish self-interest.

I refer you to "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution", by someone who IS a biologist - Peter Kropotkin, a capable evolutionary theorist, philosopher, and geologist. To summarize, having read his autobiography and very much enjoyed it, one would argue that your "love of one's own", being a self-interested imposition of a meaningless norm (your definition of "your own"), is contrary to the evolution of human cooperation and society.

Ethnic nationalism is unnatural and anti-evolution. It is anti-God, anti-Human, and entirely without foundation in evolutionary biology.

That's entirely ignoring the fact that 'race' doesn't even exist to the same degree required to make your whole house of cards even worth building. The house of cards, regardless of what little it achieves, is already burning dogshit.


Eugenics is hardly a science - so you don't need a degree to debate against ignorance.


Luckily, there are plenty of people with degrees who will.
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Postby Geanna » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:39 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Text People wrote:A whole million times better??

Are you expressing a feeling of superiority to me? :o

A racist really shouldn't complain about people with feelings of superiority.


Not to mention, A man of pride can be shamed ~ Sun Tzu
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:43 pm

Olerand wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Anything is possible. History is unpredictable, and the French monarchy has been restored in some shape of form three times already since the revolution.

Well, those were very different times, and the Restoration was imposed on France, but true enough. No one ever knows what will happen in the future, even if I highly doubt the return of the Bourbons.

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