Statistics Don't Support Rape Culture

[The Serbian Empire]

..but you do

Enlighten us plebs.

I could write an essay on it but I link you a few sources:
http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/03/exa ... e-culture/

I think they're understating the amount of rape men experience based on the frequency of child molestation as to make rape culture a thing more important to feminists. But that would make rape even more culturally endemic into society that the only cure is segregation of the sexes as no number of laws will stop rapists from raping women and children.

[Socialist Tera]

I could write an essay on it but I link you a few sources:
http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/03/exa ... e-culture/

I think they're understating the amount of rape men experience based on the frequency of child molestation as to make rape culture a thing more important to feminists. But that would make rape even more culturally endemic into society that the only cure is segregation of the sexes as no number of laws will stop rapists from raping women and children.

The main problem is that a lot of portrayals of bad portrayals of women in mainstream media, too often the main part of a female character's personality is their sexuality. A lot of clothing in fantasy and science fiction movies are undesirable and don't get me started on ecchii and anime. If they done the same to males, men would probably look like this:

[The Serbian Empire]

I think they're understating the amount of rape men experience based on the frequency of child molestation as to make rape culture a thing more important to feminists. But that would make rape even more culturally endemic into society that the only cure is segregation of the sexes as no number of laws will stop rapists from raping women and children.

The main problem is that a lot of portrayals of bad portrayals of women in mainstream media, too often the main part of a female character's personality is their sexuality. A lot of clothing in fantasy and science fiction movies are undesirable and don't get me started on ecchii and anime. If they done the same to males, men would probably look like this:

But we do see a lot of that... in Superhero comics. The other category is these bishounen types that girls love because they aren't He-man. I think mass media is the main culprit of all of societies woes whether it's rape, hatred, or anything else.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

..but you do

Enlighten us plebs.

I could write an essay on it but I link you a few sources:
http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/03/exa ... e-culture/

Yeah, it's exactly what I already knew it was, and suspect most other posters here do too. Thank you captain obvious.

[Tahar Joblis]

I think they're understating the amount of rape men experience based on the frequency of child molestation as to make rape culture a thing more important to feminists. But that would make rape even more culturally endemic into society that the only cure is segregation of the sexes as no number of laws will stop rapists from raping women and children.

The main problem is that a lot of portrayals of bad portrayals of women in mainstream media, too often the main part of a female character's personality is their sexuality. A lot of clothing in fantasy and science fiction movies are undesirable and don't get me started on ecchii and anime. If they done the same to males, men would probably look like this:

Walk down the romance aisle of your local bookstore. Count how many exposed and unrealistically well-defined male torsos you see. If you don't have a local bookstore, just click here.

[Socialist Tera]

The main problem is that a lot of portrayals of bad portrayals of women in mainstream media, too often the main part of a female character's personality is their sexuality. A lot of clothing in fantasy and science fiction movies are undesirable and don't get me started on ecchii and anime. If they done the same to males, men would probably look like this:

Walk down the romance aisle of your local bookstore. Count how many exposed and unrealistically well-defined male torsos you see. If you don't have a local bookstore, just click here.

The males in romance actually have personality more than just their sexuality. Nice try though.

[Tahar Joblis]

Feminism is more complicated and more simple than that.

Simply, feminism is about making sure that women don't get screwed over.

Yes, there are some professional feminists, and some of those professional feminists have a business model of professional victims. Some feminists seem more interested in propagating and sustaining their movement and funding engine than in actually getting things done. But overall, once you sort past the bad actors, scam artists, and occasional raging hate-filled maniac, the movement has a clear mission of trying to make sure that no woman ever gets screwed over for any reason.

The problem, of course, is that sometimes, trying to make sure all women are protected from everything has collateral effects that aren't very nice or fair.

Oh yeah, "professional victims" ; people just love being threatened with rape and murder, don't they?

When they can use it for a fundraising platform, they may in fact find something to like about it.

You do realise statistics regarding false rape reports are available and indicate that the rate of false reporting is far lower than just about any other crime, right?

I realize what all the statistics regarding false rape reports are.

If I remember rightly, it's between 1% & 3%.

That would be a figure based on the unfounding rate. That is, the rate at which rape accusations are proven to be unfounded. This rate would generally be cited as between 2 and 8% (when cited honestly). It used to be much higher, but feminists complained that the high unfounding rate for rape accusations meant that police weren't taking accusations of rape seriously.

• 8-15%: Estimated rate of false conviction for rape (which is almost certainly much lower than the rate of false accusation.
• 25%: Rate at which the accused are proven innocent by DNA evidence in cases where DNA evidence exists and is decisive. This is also almost certainly lower than the rate of false accusation.
• On the whole, the actual rate at which accusations of rape are false is not well known in spite of numerous attempts to study it, many of which have been severely flawed and ideologically motivated.

On the whole, given the body of available evidence, the rate at which accusations of rape are in fact false is most likely somewhere between 25% (exclusion rate in cases where DNA is available) and 60%.

A relatively small percentage of accusations of rape are proven true. (Sometimes slightly higher than 10%.) A relatively small percentage of accusations of rape are proven false. (Sometimes near 10%). It is most likely that a large minority of accusations of rape are false. Low figures are inevitably based on the assumption that any accusation not proven to be false must be true.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

When they can use it for a fundraising platform, they may in fact find something to like about it.

[Tahar Joblis]

The males in romance actually have personality more than just their sexuality. Nice try though.

Depends on the romance novel. In general, the male protagonists of romance novels do not have more developed personalities than the women decried as "sex objects" in male-marketed novels. I - probably unlike you - actually read novels marketed to women and novels marketed to men.

A number of male protagonists in romance novels are written spectacularly badly. They also generally have more physically unrealistic proportions (the average romance hunk is roughly 6'4" and - what with the visibly chiseled abs - a body fat percentage somewhere south of 5%), and on top of their rare physical attributes, they tend to be wealthy, politically powerful, or both. The average Romance Man^TM is comfortably a member of the 1% and more often than not a member of the 0.1%.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The males in romance actually have personality more than just their sexuality. Nice try though.

Depends on the romance novel. In general, the male protagonists of romance novels do not have more developed personalities than the women decried as "sex objects" in male-marketed novels. I - probably unlike you - actually read novels marketed to women and novels marketed to men.

A number of male protagonists in romance novels are written spectacularly badly. They also generally have more physically unrealistic proportions (the average romance hunk is roughly 6'4" and - what with the visibly chiseled abs - a body fat percentage somewhere south of 5%), and on top of their rare physical attributes, they tend to be wealthy, politically powerful, or both. The average Romance Man^TM is comfortably a member of the 1% and more often than not a member of the 0.1%.

I straight burst out into laughter when I saw the "average" 6'4" figure

[Socialist Tera]

The males in romance actually have personality more than just their sexuality. Nice try though.

Depends on the romance novel. In general, the male protagonists of romance novels do not have more developed personalities than the women decried as "sex objects" in male-marketed novels. I - probably unlike you - actually read novels marketed to women and novels marketed to men.

A number of male protagonists in romance novels are written spectacularly badly. They also generally have more physically unrealistic proportions (the average romance hunk is roughly 6'4" and - what with the visibly chiseled abs - a body fat percentage somewhere south of 5%), and on top of their rare physical attributes, they tend to be wealthy, politically powerful, or both. The average Romance Man^TM is comfortably a member of the 1% and more often than not a member of the 0.1%.

Yes, it is there but young children aren't exposed to it as an early age.

[Spoder]

Depends on the romance novel. In general, the male protagonists of romance novels do not have more developed personalities than the women decried as "sex objects" in male-marketed novels. I - probably unlike you - actually read novels marketed to women and novels marketed to men.

A number of male protagonists in romance novels are written spectacularly badly. They also generally have more physically unrealistic proportions (the average romance hunk is roughly 6'4" and - what with the visibly chiseled abs - a body fat percentage somewhere south of 5%), and on top of their rare physical attributes, they tend to be wealthy, politically powerful, or both. The average Romance Man^TM is comfortably a member of the 1% and more often than not a member of the 0.1%.

Yes, it is there but young children aren't exposed to it as an early age.

Yes, but teens are.

Young children are exposed to comics and really bad superheroes.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Yes, it is there but young children aren't exposed to it as an early age.

Yes, but teens are.

Young children are exposed to comics and really bad superheroes.

"Really bad superheroes" what

[Spoder]

Yes, but teens are.

Young children are exposed to comics and really bad superheroes.

"Really bad superheroes" what

Marvel heroes suck ass and only about half of the DC heroes are interesting/have depth.

[Socialist Tera]

Yes, it is there but young children aren't exposed to it as an early age.

Yes, but teens are.

Young children are exposed to comics and really bad superheroes.

Superheroes are made to mainly empower men. The typical damsel in distress.

[Haktiva]

it's up to herself first and foremost to keep herself safe.

It's up to her to keep herself safe, but you're missing a vital component.

It's up to us men to not be pricks.

So is it our fault as a collective when one guy acts like a bastard?

[Spoder]

It's up to her to keep herself safe, but you're missing a vital component.

It's up to us men to not be pricks.

So is it our fault as a collective when one guy acts like a bastard?

No.

That has nothing to do what you said.

The whole point is nobody should have to worry about sexual predators because of what they're wearing.

[Haktiva]

So is it our fault as a collective when one guy acts like a bastard?

No.

That has nothing to do what you said.

The whole point is nobody should have to worry about sexual predators because of what they're wearing.

Nobody in the world should have to worry about getting hit by a car either.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's up to her to keep herself safe, but you're missing a vital component.

It's up to us men to not be pricks.

So is it our fault as a collective when one guy acts like a bastard?

No, but it is our fault we enable the guy by saying "well she had it coming".

"She had it coming" it's pathetically easy to say and it does nothing but alienate other people; it's basically a cop-out to not see the larger picture: that if that guy/girl wouldn't have been such an asshole none of what they went thought would have happened.

[Spoder]

No.

That has nothing to do what you said.

The whole point is nobody should have to worry about sexual predators because of what they're wearing.

Nobody in the world should have to worry about getting hit by a car either.

Where the fuck is this bullshit coming from?

Just fucking respect women, respect men, don't be surprised when society doesn't give a fuck and then the rest of it starts complaining.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Nobody should have to worry about getting hit by a car, but the solution is far more complicated.

[Haktiva]

Nobody in the world should have to worry about getting hit by a car either.

Where the fuck is this bullshit coming from?

Just fucking respect women, respect men, don't be surprised when society doesn't give a fuck and then the rest of it starts complaining.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Nobody should have to worry about getting hit by a car, but the solution is far more complicated.

It's gonna happen anyways, but there are steps a person can take to keep themselves safe. It's not my responsibility to look after anyone but myself unless I agree to a contract(shake hands and such).

[Haktiva]

So is it our fault as a collective when one guy acts like a bastard?

No, but it is our fault we enable the guy by saying "well she had it coming".

"She had it coming" it's pathetically easy to say and it does nothing but alienate other people; it's basically a cop-out to not see the larger picture: that if that guy/girl wouldn't have been such an asshole none of what they went thought would have happened.

Why the fuck would anyone say "they had it coming'? I do not get that logic.

I mean there's a difference between being careless or unlucky and actually deserving something like that. I can't think of anyone who deserves rape.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Where the fuck is this bullshit coming from?

Just fucking respect women, respect men, don't be surprised when society doesn't give a fuck and then the rest of it starts complaining.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Nobody should have to worry about getting hit by a car, but the solution is far more complicated.

It's gonna happen anyways, but there are steps a person can take to keep themselves safe. It's not my responsibility to look after anyone but myself unless I agree to a contract(shake hands and such).

What if it would have been your best friend the one who got raped, would you still blame it on them?

[Spoder]

Where the fuck is this bullshit coming from?

Just fucking respect women, respect men, don't be surprised when society doesn't give a fuck and then the rest of it starts complaining.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Nobody should have to worry about getting hit by a car, but the solution is far more complicated.

It's gonna happen anyways, but there are steps a person can take to keep themselves safe. It's not my responsibility to look after anyone but myself unless I agree to a contract(shake hands and such).

That is fucking bullshit.

There is a simple solution to rape and sexual abuse: control your fucking urges

I do it every fucking day. So do lots of other people.

[Seangoli]

Depends on the romance novel. In general, the male protagonists of romance novels do not have more developed personalities than the women decried as "sex objects" in male-marketed novels. I - probably unlike you - actually read novels marketed to women and novels marketed to men.

A number of male protagonists in romance novels are written spectacularly badly. They also generally have more physically unrealistic proportions (the average romance hunk is roughly 6'4" and - what with the visibly chiseled abs - a body fat percentage somewhere south of 5%), and on top of their rare physical attributes, they tend to be wealthy, politically powerful, or both. The average Romance Man^TM is comfortably a member of the 1% and more often than not a member of the 0.1%.

Yes, it is there but young children aren't exposed to it as an early age.

I disagree whole heartedly with this. A casual perusing of comics and cartoons, and many other media aimed at young boys will show the exact same patterning of a masculine idea being marketed to young boys. Any kid who grew up in the 80's and 90's in particular was bombarded by these conceptions.

Consider: Currently, about 1/3 of people with clinically significant eating disorders are men (20 million women to 10 million men). Equally, men are far less likely to seek treatment than women are, due to the cultural stigmatization the disease has (IEating disorders are not a man's disease, after all). In reality, the highest growing demographic of eating disorders is among young men, and they are far less likely to seek treatment as well.

Studies equally indicate that male dissatisfaction with their body image has risen dramatically in recent years, to 43% of respondents not being happy with how they look(Up from 11%. This number is in actuality comparable to the rate of women who feel the same. Between 30-60% of adolescent to college normal weight males report a desire to increase muscle mass through dieting and supplement plans. Keep in mind these are normal weight individuals.

And this is a huge problem that is often ignored or marginalized. I am not saying that men have it worse in this regard. Rather, the information available is rather clear that both sexes have it pretty much just as bad as far as how harmful popular conceptions of body ideals affect young individuals. What I have a serious problem with, however, is the marginalization towards how the issue affects young males by claiming it's not as bad. It affects young males just as poorly as it affects young females. Certain eating disorders appear in females more than males (Anorexia/Bulemia), but there is a wide range of disorders that affect males more than females as well that are just as harmful.

The point to all of this is that popular portrayals of what the physical ideal for both women and men is pretty much equally harmful to both sexes, and should be treated as such. Marginalizing one group over another is just pure and utter hypocrisy and utter trash thinking.