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[British Home Counties]

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What are borrowing to spend on if they've allegedly made cuts to public spending?

... to fund the slump in revenue?

they haven't made "cuts" to public spending, that's just a false myth. public spending hasn't decreased since 1960s. what has happened is that the increases to public services (f. ex. NHS) is slower than before and not going up fast enough to meet demand (nhs crisis)

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Don't know why you're blaming the Conservatives here, Labour has doubled the net debt during times of a financial boom. I could do better in government than them.

[Angleter]

The remaining public spending. You know that.

If the remaining public spending were lower, you expect the deficit and borrowing to decrease... unless tax revenues also decreased.
So either public spending has actually increased (so the "remaining" spending is more spending then was there in the first place), or taxes have decreased significantly.
Why has spending increased?

The deficit has decreased - as Alyakia's first graph shows. It's gone from ~£150bn in 2009-10 to ~£100bn (in 2013-4 - if I remember right, it's on course to be around £90bn this financial year). The deficit reduction is greater when you take into account inflation (£90bn today is equivalent to about £75bn in 2010). Overall government debt is increasing because we still have a deficit. Public spending may have 'increased' in nominal terms, but it has decreased in real terms, when one takes into account inflation and population growth (the ~£580bn spending in 2009-10, shown in Alyakia's third graph, would be worth around £700bn now).

Tax revenue, as a % of GDP, has remained more or less constant.

[British Home Counties]

If the remaining public spending were lower, you expect the deficit and borrowing to decrease... unless tax revenues also decreased.
So either public spending has actually increased (so the "remaining" spending is more spending then was there in the first place), or taxes have decreased significantly.
Why has spending increased?

GDP has decreased. Using taxes as a % of GDP is not a reliable way to measure the deficit.

UK Total Receipts fell from 575 billion in 2009/10 to 496 billion in 2010/11. That probably contributed to the deficit, I guess.

[The UK in Exile]

The remaining public spending. You know that.

If the remaining public spending were lower, you expect the deficit and borrowing to decrease... unless tax revenues also decreased.
So either public spending has actually increased (so the "remaining" spending is more spending then was there in the first place), or taxes have decreased significantly.
Why has spending increased?

The Government has raised the tax threshold several times over the course of this parliament.

[Angleter]

GDP has decreased. Using taxes as a % of GDP is not a reliable way to measure the deficit.

UK Total Receipts fell from 575 billion in 2009/10 to 496 billion in 2010/11. That probably contributed to the deficit, I guess.

GDP hasn't decreased since the start of the 2009-10 financial year. As for revenue, the £575bn and £496bn figures appear to refer to the budgets for 2008-9 and 2009-10. As Alyakia's second chart and this demonstrates, the decline was much more slight.

[British Home Counties]

GDP has decreased. Using taxes as a % of GDP is not a reliable way to measure the deficit.

UK Total Receipts fell from 575 billion in 2009/10 to 496 billion in 2010/11. That probably contributed to the deficit, I guess.

GDP hasn't decreased since the start of the 2009-10 financial year. As for revenue, the £575bn and £496bn figures appear to refer to the budgets for 2008-9 and 2009-10. As Alyakia's second chart and this demonstrates, the decline was much more slight.

I was talking about GDP decrease in relation to tax revenue. Generally, there's a commencement/time lag in macroeconomics.

" the decline was much more slight." - The 5.3% inflation in 2008 would explain it

[Devvo Mate]

On the downside, of course, it's in Liverpool.

HAHAHAHAHA A LIVERPOOL IS A SHIT CITY JOKE!

How very original and witty! I've never heard anyone make this joke before, and it definitely isn't made 95% of the time by clueless arseholes who have never been, or if they have not come abck since the Thatcher era.

Give it a rest mate

[Devvo Mate]

Liverpool's fine provided you don't get to Norris Green or Croxteth, really.

Ah'll get me fookhin crocky mates on you la

[Napkiraly]

On the downside, of course, it's in Liverpool.

HAHAHAHAHA A LIVERPOOL IS A SHIT CITY JOKE!

How very original and witty! I've never heard anyone make this joke before, and it definitely isn't made 95% of the time by clueless arseholes who have never been, or if they have not come abck since the Thatcher era.

Give it a rest mate

I think ya need to take a deep breath there. Everyone shits on everyone else's city.

That said, I think we can all be in agreement in saying that Stevenage is the absolute fucking worst place in the UK.

[Devvo Mate]

I think ya need to take a deep breath there. Everyone shits on everyone else's city.

That said, I think we can all be in agreement in saying that Stevenage is the absolute fucking worst place in the UK.

Not even Scouse I'm just fucking sick of smug middle-class southern wankers shitting on Liverpool despite it being God's own city.

[Olivaero]

I think ya need to take a deep breath there. Everyone shits on everyone else's city.

That said, I think we can all be in agreement in saying that Stevenage is the absolute fucking worst place in the UK.

Not even Scouse I'm just fucking sick of smug middle-class southern wankers shitting on Liverpool despite it being God's own city.

I'm pretty sure G n I lives in Lincoln. That aside I think you'll find it could not possibly be God's own city because it does not rest within God's own county

[Napkiraly]

I think ya need to take a deep breath there. Everyone shits on everyone else's city.

That said, I think we can all be in agreement in saying that Stevenage is the absolute fucking worst place in the UK.

Not even Scouse I'm just fucking sick of smug middle-class southern wankers shitting on Liverpool despite it being God's own city.

Actually that'd be London.

[Devvo Mate]

Keeping this thread on topic though I am at my wit's end over who to vote for. I have only ever voted for minor parties and independents because I have no time for the big names, but I'm voting in Bristol North West and it's marginal as fuck, last poll had Tories and Labour tied 32% each, so I'm now considering doing what I'd always sworn I'd never do, which is voting Labour to keep the Tories out. I really don't want to do it, and I don't know if i will, but if I vote TUSC or spoil my ballot or whatever and the Tories get in I'll hate myself.

[Imperializt Russia]

Keeping this thread on topic though I am at my wit's end over who to vote for. I have only ever voted for minor parties and independents because I have no time for the big names, but I'm voting in Bristol North West and it's marginal as fuck, last poll had Tories and Labour tied 32% each, so I'm now considering doing what I'd always sworn I'd never do, which is voting Labour to keep the Tories out. I really don't want to do it, and I don't know if i will, but if I vote TUSC or spoil my ballot or whatever and the Tories get in I'll hate myself.

That's FPTP for you.
Vote Labour, because they're the only large party that still cares about voting reform and might give you it in the next election.
Then in 2020, you can vote TUSC and that vote will actually matter.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Keeping this thread on topic though I am at my wit's end over who to vote for. I have only ever voted for minor parties and independents because I have no time for the big names, but I'm voting in Bristol North West and it's marginal as fuck, last poll had Tories and Labour tied 32% each, so I'm now considering doing what I'd always sworn I'd never do, which is voting Labour to keep the Tories out. I really don't want to do it, and I don't know if i will, but if I vote TUSC or spoil my ballot or whatever and the Tories get in I'll hate myself.

UKIP tend to take more votes from the tories. If you want to keep them out, vote UKIP.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Keeping this thread on topic though I am at my wit's end over who to vote for. I have only ever voted for minor parties and independents because I have no time for the big names, but I'm voting in Bristol North West and it's marginal as fuck, last poll had Tories and Labour tied 32% each, so I'm now considering doing what I'd always sworn I'd never do, which is voting Labour to keep the Tories out. I really don't want to do it, and I don't know if i will, but if I vote TUSC or spoil my ballot or whatever and the Tories get in I'll hate myself.

That's FPTP for you.
Vote Labour, because they're the only large party that still cares about voting reform and might give you it in the next election.
Then in 2020, you can vote TUSC and that vote will actually matter.

They literally had 13 years to do it in. Weren't very proactive, were they?

[Angleter]

Keeping this thread on topic though I am at my wit's end over who to vote for. I have only ever voted for minor parties and independents because I have no time for the big names, but I'm voting in Bristol North West and it's marginal as fuck, last poll had Tories and Labour tied 32% each, so I'm now considering doing what I'd always sworn I'd never do, which is voting Labour to keep the Tories out. I really don't want to do it, and I don't know if i will, but if I vote TUSC or spoil my ballot or whatever and the Tories get in I'll hate myself.

That's FPTP for you.
Vote Labour, because they're the only large party that still cares about voting reform and might give you it in the next election.
Then in 2020, you can vote TUSC and that vote will actually matter.

They cared in 1997 too.

[Arglorand]

Keeping this thread on topic though I am at my wit's end over who to vote for. I have only ever voted for minor parties and independents because I have no time for the big names, but I'm voting in Bristol North West and it's marginal as fuck, last poll had Tories and Labour tied 32% each, so I'm now considering doing what I'd always sworn I'd never do, which is voting Labour to keep the Tories out. I really don't want to do it, and I don't know if i will, but if I vote TUSC or spoil my ballot or whatever and the Tories get in I'll hate myself.

UKIP tend to take more votes from the tories. If you want to keep them out, vote UKIP.

Keep out Pepsi and Coke by drinking Shite, you mean.

[Devvo Mate]

That's FPTP for you.
Vote Labour, because they're the only large party that still cares about voting reform and might give you it in the next election.
Then in 2020, you can vote TUSC and that vote will actually matter.

Thing is though I really don't like Labour, it's like people are tied whether to vote for eating a bowlful of shit, or a bowful of ebola-ridden shit. I want to eat a bowl of grapes but nobody else seems to want to, so I'm now considering voting for a bowl of undiseased shit to keep the infected shit out. I don't want to do that.

[Devvo Mate]

UKIP tend to take more votes from the tories. If you want to keep them out, vote UKIP.

UKIP are polling at 16% here so make no difference, and they're about the only party I'm less inclined to vote for than Labour in an attempt to keep the Tories out.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

That's FPTP for you.
Vote Labour, because they're the only large party that still cares about voting reform and might give you it in the next election.
Then in 2020, you can vote TUSC and that vote will actually matter.

Thing is though I really don't like Labour, it's like people are tied whether to vote for eating a bowlful of shit, or a bowful of ebola-ridden shit. I want to eat a bowl of grapes but nobody else seems to want to, so I'm now considering voting for a bowl of undiseased shit to keep the infected shit out. I don't want to do that.

Then have a glass of real ale.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

UKIP tend to take more votes from the tories. If you want to keep them out, vote UKIP.

UKIP are polling at 16% here so make no difference, and they're about the only party I'm less inclined to vote for than Labour in an attempt to keep the Tories out.

It's not about if they get in (which they won't given that polling score), it's about who their votes come from generally.

[Devvo Mate]

Then have a glass of real ale.

Lovely idea but I have a feeling the bloke who's selling me this pint of real ale has also laced it with lots of shit just like everybody else, he just seems better at conning people into thinking he's the real deal.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Then have a glass of real ale.

Lovely idea but I have a feeling the bloke who's selling me this pint of real ale has also laced it with lots of shit just like everybody else, he just seems better at conning people into thinking he's the real deal.

No, the shit is all at the other bars. Apart from the yellow bar, where it's laced with poison.