British 2015 general election poll

[Appalatchia]

UKIP is leading this poll? I knew that racists were plentiful on this site but I had no idea they were the plurality.

Since when are all UKIPers racist?

Since 'anti-multiculutralism' is in their platform and their leader has made his position very clear.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... olicy.html

Phillips asks: “In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?”

“No,” Nigel Farage responds.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ni ... ty-5317571

Nigel Farage wants to scrap Britain’s race equality laws so employers can discriminate against workers based on where they are from.

The Ukip leader made the comments in a documentary to be screened next week in which he also also complained about a “lack of integration by Muslims” into UK society.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-27474099

"Multiculturalism the biggest mistake governments have made" - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _made.html

[Die Volkstaat]

Since when are all UKIPers racist?

Since 'anti-multiculutralism' is in their platform and their leader has made his position very clear.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... olicy.html

Phillips asks: “In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?”

“No,” Nigel Farage responds.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ni ... ty-5317571

Nigel Farage wants to scrap Britain’s race equality laws so employers can discriminate against workers based on where they are from.

The Ukip leader made the comments in a documentary to be screened next week in which he also also complained about a “lack of integration by Muslims” into UK society.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-27474099

"Multiculturalism the biggest mistake governments have made" - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _made.html

I think you're confusing opposition to multiculturalism with racism. Such a comparison is flawed. If you could explain why being opposed to the concept of distinct cultures living alongside each other is racist, I'd appreciate it.

[Alyakia]

no joke if the SNP got in and killed people through their shitty policies i would probably feel bad for putting them in and seriously reconsider my vote for them however i feel like this is a lot less likely compared to the tories because of the tories historical record and their explicitly stated intention to carry out these policies. i also think it says a lot that you can only counter things the tories have done with predictable results to things the SNP might maybe do despite a good few years in the scottish government. in a way, i feel like my not voting for an openly shit party has protected me from this problem.



if you've suddenly changed party on me i apologize for not remembering every piece of information in a 500 page thread. please enlighten me.

what assumptions am i making, pray tell? beyond the assumption that historical tory voter jumping in to defend tory voters might be a tory voter.

What are you assuming? Quite a lot actually.

Historical Tory voter, suddenly changing vote, the SNP "might, maybe do" a stated policy with predictable results ( while you yourself using the security station to tout Scottish viability, though I'll agree that the situation hypothetical was overblown.)

I jumped in to defend the voters, rather than the party, at this point because such partisan politics you're expressing are just a shit way to go,period.

oh then i'm going to call bullshit because you voted tory last time and half of the posts of yours i see are defending the tories. you have also failed to refresh my memory as to who you are voting for.

i just find it really hard to see how people can see what the tories are doing and still vote for them. there is literally only one reason i can think of it and is pretty much based on what can only accurately be described as a falsehood, which doesn't really help. added to this i don't think it really helps the people that have died if you say "well yes i knew it was happening but i only voted because i want tax cuts" or whatever your favourite policy is.

e: basically you've done absolutely nothing to convince me that the people the voted for a party and will continue to vote for them knowing full well what policies they put through and the consequences of such should be completely free of any guilt associated with the government they just voted in. in this case the consequences just so happen to be death. and maybe people will think more about who they're voting for when they take that into account?

e2: of course this could all be avoided if the party wasn't shit in the first place

on that previous note we should probably make a new thread on the 6th or 7th because we're definitely going to hit the limit

[Alyakia]

Cameron suggests a Miliband government would have “a massive credibility problem” if Labour did not have the most seats.
Opinion polling evidence also shows that people would back Cameron on this point. When YouGov asked people recently who had “better claim” to be prime minister in a hung parliament situation, 48% said the leader of the party with the most MPs, and only 26% said the leader of the group of parties that could command a majority (the “correct” answer).

in other news, man who supports a country that forced a variety of cultures together (somethings through outright military force) speaks out against multiculturalism

[New Werpland]

Since 'anti-multiculutralism' is in their platform and their leader has made his position very clear.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... olicy.html


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ni ... ty-5317571


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-27474099

"Multiculturalism the biggest mistake governments have made" - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _made.html

I think you're confusing opposition to multiculturalism with racism. Such a comparison is flawed. If you could explain why being opposed to the concept of distinct cultures living alongside each other is racist, I'd appreciate it.

Multiculturalism is fine, as long as the culture moving in adapts to the norms of the culture they're moving in with. Multiculturalism is not necessarily culturally relativistic, you can have multiple cultures living in the same area, and still have an overarching set of ethical/social norms.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Cameron suggests a Miliband government would have “a massive credibility problem” if Labour did not have the most seats.

Sounds like Cameron admitting that he is not going to win a majority, or be able to form a coalition, but he expects Labour will be able to.

[The Archregimancy]

Cameron suggests a Miliband government would have “a massive credibility problem” if Labour did not have the most seats.

Cameron should be a better student of British history.

As pointed out previously, Ramsay MacDonald formed a government following the December 1923 election with 67 fewer seats than the Conservative Party - backed by the significant block of 158 Liberals on an informal supply basis.

Though granted we had a lot of elections back then due to the inability of parties to reliably form a solid majority in Parliament, and first past the post's inability to cope with a true multi-party system.

I believe George Santayana had something pithy to say here.

[Alyakia]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/let ... 26722.html

No more major cuts in public spending

A comprehensive assessment of the economic impact of the Coalition's economic policies will be the task of future economic historians. But there are some clear lessons that should inform the stance taken by the next government.

In the first half of 2010 the economy was growing at an annual rate in excess of 2% and both bond markets and foreign exchange markets were stable. The austerity policy (and austerity rhetoric) of the incoming Coalition government helped stop the recovery in its tracks and precipitated two and a half years of stagnation. The Office for Budget Responsibility estimates that austerity reduced growth by 1% in both financial years 2010-2011 and 2011-2012. The easing of fiscal policy in late 2012, combined with quantitative easing and extremely low interest rates, has resuscitated the recovery, although growth in GDP per head over the past two years is no greater than its long-term average.

The overall policy result since the financial crisis of 2008-9 has been the slowest recovery from any major recession in modern times. It is imperative that the mistakes of the past five years are not repeated, and that the new government elected on 7 May pursues a balanced expansion, eschews further major cuts in public expenditure or large tax increases, and focuses on desperately needed investment in capacity, research, and skills to address the productivity crisis that is the other main economic outcome of the past five years.

Christopher Allsopp, Fellow of New College, Oxford; former member of the Monetary Policy Committee, Bank of England
David Blanchflower, Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College and University of Stirling; former member of the Monetary Policy Committee, Bank of England
Mark Blyth, Professor of Political Economy, Brown University, USA
David Cobham, Professor of Economics, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh
John Eatwell, Emeritus Professor of Financial Policy; Emeritus Professor and Founder, Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
Marcus Miller, Professor of Economics, Warwick University
John Van Reenen, Professor; Director of the Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
David Vines, Professor of Economics, University of Oxford
Simon Wren-Lewis, Professor of Economics, University of Oxford

[Marcurix]

oh then i'm going to call bullshit because you voted tory last time and half of the posts of yours i see are defending the tories. you have also failed to refresh my memory as to who you are voting for.

If by last time, you mean the local council, then yes.

For every level above that I voted, and will continue to vote, for the liberal Dems.

You've probably seen me defend the Tories the most because you rat on them the most. I tend to defend a lot of things when I see people getting a little over zealous.

That's ranged from political parties of all shades (except extremist parties, and the UKIP) and people to Justin Beiber and that Anne Frank fiasco.

i just find it really hard to see how people can see what the tories are doing and still vote for them. there is literally only one reason i can think of it and is pretty much based on what can only accurately be described as a falsehood, which doesn't really help. added to this i don't think it really helps the people that have died if you say "well yes i knew it was happening but i only voted because i want tax cuts" or whatever your favourite policy is.

Go ask them.

e: basically you've done absolutely nothing to convince me that the people the voted for a party and will continue to vote for them knowing full well what policies they put through and the consequences of such should be completely free of any guilt associated with the government they just voted in. in this case the consequences just so happen to be death. and maybe people will think more about who they're voting for when they take that into account?

on that previous note we should probably make a new thread on the 6th or 7th because we're definitely going to hit the limit

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Probably should start a new thread yes.

And aside from pointing out, as you have done, that votes are rarely single issue on this. It applies to call parties, whatever side of the spectrum they lie on.

[Alyakia]

If by last time, you mean the local council, then yes.

For every level above that I voted, and will continue to vote, for the liberal Dems.

"I tend to vote Conservative, locally and nationally they're the closest even if i don't agree with all their policies. I've thought about voting Lib Dem in the past, but they never fully convinced me to do so."

[The Archregimancy]

on that previous note we should probably make a new thread on the 6th or 7th because we're definitely going to hit the limit

Don't worry, I'm keeping an eye on it - and I'll be up late on the 7th as well.

But a reminder here to everyone for the 7th and 8th....

NO GLOATING.

Celebrating your own party's success (which, let's face it, likely means SNP supporters) is absolutely fine. Writing something along the lines of 'this amazing unprecedented victory marks a new dawn for Scotland' is absolutely fine. Writing something along the lines of 'HA HA - fuck you you fucking English Tory losers' will find the moderation team coming down on you like the proverbial tonne of bricks. Likewise gloating over individual MPs losing their seats; even George Galloway.

I apologise to SNP voters if it looks like I'm singling you out with the above. I don't intend to - it's just simple recognition that you're likely the only people who'll have much to celebrate on the 8th. Everyone else will probably be nursing a massive psephological hangover.

[Arkolon]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/letters-no-more-major-cuts-in-public-spending-10226722.html

No more major cuts in public spending

A comprehensive assessment of the economic impact of the Coalition's economic policies will be the task of future economic historians. But there are some clear lessons that should inform the stance taken by the next government.

In the first half of 2010 the economy was growing at an annual rate in excess of 2% and both bond markets and foreign exchange markets were stable. The austerity policy (and austerity rhetoric) of the incoming Coalition government helped stop the recovery in its tracks and precipitated two and a half years of stagnation. The Office for Budget Responsibility estimates that austerity reduced growth by 1% in both financial years 2010-2011 and 2011-2012. The easing of fiscal policy in late 2012, combined with quantitative easing and extremely low interest rates, has resuscitated the recovery, although growth in GDP per head over the past two years is no greater than its long-term average.

The overall policy result since the financial crisis of 2008-9 has been the slowest recovery from any major recession in modern times. It is imperative that the mistakes of the past five years are not repeated, and that the new government elected on 7 May pursues a balanced expansion, eschews further major cuts in public expenditure or large tax increases, and focuses on desperately needed investment in capacity, research, and skills to address the productivity crisis that is the other main economic outcome of the past five years.

Christopher Allsopp, Fellow of New College, Oxford; former member of the Monetary Policy Committee, Bank of England
David Blanchflower, Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College and University of Stirling; former member of the Monetary Policy Committee, Bank of England
Mark Blyth, Professor of Political Economy, Brown University, USA
David Cobham, Professor of Economics, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh
John Eatwell, Emeritus Professor of Financial Policy; Emeritus Professor and Founder, Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
Marcus Miller, Professor of Economics, Warwick University
John Van Reenen, Professor; Director of the Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
David Vines, Professor of Economics, University of Oxford
Simon Wren-Lewis, Professor of Economics, University of Oxford

You post that as if you expect austerity to produce growth. Austerity is contractionary fiscal policy. Its very purpose is to raise revenue at all costs, and at the possible expense of output growth. Austerity was used around Europe to pay back debt to maintain credibility among creditors. It wasn't supposed to quicken the recovery so stop pretending that's what it was used for.

[Krumbia]

Celebrating your own party's success

The feeling when the party you support is standing only two candidates and one of them has odds of 1 in 50,000 of becoming an MP. Anyway, I'm hoping for 1,000 votes, at least in total if not more. Retaining deposits would be ideal but also probably idealistic.

[Alyakia]

on that previous note we should probably make a new thread on the 6th or 7th because we're definitely going to hit the limit

Don't worry, I'm keeping an eye on it - and I'll be up late on the 7th as well.

But a reminder here to everyone for the 7th and 8th....

NO GLOATING.

Celebrating your own party's success (which, let's face it, likely means SNP supporters) is absolutely fine. Writing something along the lines of 'this amazing unprecedented victory marks a new dawn for Scotland' is absolutely fine. Writing something along the lines of 'HA HA - fuck you you fucking English Tory losers' will find the moderation team coming down on you like the proverbial tonne of bricks. Likewise gloating over individual MPs losing their seats; even George Galloway.

I apologise to SNP voters if it looks like I'm singling you out with the above. I don't intend to - it's just simple recognition that you're likely the only people who'll have much to celebrate on the 8th. Everyone else will probably be nursing a massive psephological hangover.

we're still allowed to go "i'm really happy nick clegg lost his seat because this might shake up the lib dems politically and discourage them from doing anything like that ever again also he's shit" right? assuming he does. which unfortunately some people in the heat of the moment might shorten down to "YES!". it's not like nick clegg is posting here. (or is he...?)

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/letters-no-more-major-cuts-in-public-spending-10226722.html

No more major cuts in public spending

A comprehensive assessment of the economic impact of the Coalition's economic policies will be the task of future economic historians. But there are some clear lessons that should inform the stance taken by the next government.

In the first half of 2010 the economy was growing at an annual rate in excess of 2% and both bond markets and foreign exchange markets were stable. The austerity policy (and austerity rhetoric) of the incoming Coalition government helped stop the recovery in its tracks and precipitated two and a half years of stagnation. The Office for Budget Responsibility estimates that austerity reduced growth by 1% in both financial years 2010-2011 and 2011-2012. The easing of fiscal policy in late 2012, combined with quantitative easing and extremely low interest rates, has resuscitated the recovery, although growth in GDP per head over the past two years is no greater than its long-term average.

The overall policy result since the financial crisis of 2008-9 has been the slowest recovery from any major recession in modern times. It is imperative that the mistakes of the past five years are not repeated, and that the new government elected on 7 May pursues a balanced expansion, eschews further major cuts in public expenditure or large tax increases, and focuses on desperately needed investment in capacity, research, and skills to address the productivity crisis that is the other main economic outcome of the past five years.

Christopher Allsopp, Fellow of New College, Oxford; former member of the Monetary Policy Committee, Bank of England
David Blanchflower, Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College and University of Stirling; former member of the Monetary Policy Committee, Bank of England
Mark Blyth, Professor of Political Economy, Brown University, USA
David Cobham, Professor of Economics, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh
John Eatwell, Emeritus Professor of Financial Policy; Emeritus Professor and Founder, Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
Marcus Miller, Professor of Economics, Warwick University
John Van Reenen, Professor; Director of the Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
David Vines, Professor of Economics, University of Oxford
Simon Wren-Lewis, Professor of Economics, University of Oxford

You post that as if you expect austerity to produce growth. Austerity is contractionary fiscal policy. Its very purpose is to raise revenue at all costs, and at the possible expense of output growth. Austerity was used around Europe to pay back debt to maintain credibility among creditors. It wasn't supposed to quicken the recovery so stop pretending that's what it was used for.

oh don't get me wrong i already know that austerity does not promote growth or recovery. it's the people that talk about how we have all these awesome jobs that the conservatives personally forged with their mighty fists using the gold from the fastest growing economy in europe and their common sense economic policy (it's like a credit card guys!) that need to learn this.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Is George Galloway likely to lose his seat?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Is George Galloway likely to lose his seat?

I think he is having some issues within the party, i think a lot of people have turned against him if so i expect them to try and replace him, though i cant quite remember it was a few months ago i heard it.

They could lose their seat to someone else, idk how strong they are in that place.

[The Matthew Islands]

Apoligies if anyone has already posted this,

Could this be Britain's most least surprising revelation regarding the Tories well documented hatred of the poor.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... d-disabled

[Vyvland]

Don't worry, I'm keeping an eye on it - and I'll be up late on the 7th as well.

But a reminder here to everyone for the 7th and 8th....

NO GLOATING.

Celebrating your own party's success (which, let's face it, likely means SNP supporters) is absolutely fine. Writing something along the lines of 'this amazing unprecedented victory marks a new dawn for Scotland' is absolutely fine. Writing something along the lines of 'HA HA - fuck you you fucking English Tory losers' will find the moderation team coming down on you like the proverbial tonne of bricks. Likewise gloating over individual MPs losing their seats; even George Galloway.

I apologise to SNP voters if it looks like I'm singling you out with the above. I don't intend to - it's just simple recognition that you're likely the only people who'll have much to celebrate on the 8th. Everyone else will probably be nursing a massive psephological hangover.

we're still allowed to go "i'm really happy nick clegg lost his seat because this might shake up the lib dems politically and discourage them from doing anything like that ever again also he's shit" right? assuming he does. which unfortunately some people in the heat of the moment might shorten down to "YES!". it's not like nick clegg is posting here. (or is he...?)

This was stacking up to be my highlight of the campaign, but apparently it's not so likely anymore. Which is fucking disappointing, and I say this as someone who fully intends to vote Lib Dem.

[Arglorand]

Celebrating your own party's success

The feeling when the party you support is standing only two candidates and one of them has odds of 1 in 50,000 of becoming an MP. Anyway, I'm hoping for 1,000 votes, at least in total if not more. Retaining deposits would be ideal but also probably idealistic.

Which party do you support?

[Alyakia]

t.co/APHFaDO8sX

Would the Conservatives have been better off under AV?

When we use these second preferences in this way, what do the results look like?

• Conservatives: 311 (281 seats in forecast)

• Labour: 244 (267 seats in forecast)

• Liberal Democrats: 26 (26 seats in forecast)

• SNP: 47 (51 seats in forecast)

• Plaid Cymru: 2 (4 seats in forecast)

• Greens: 1 (1 seats in forecast)

• UKIP: 0 (1 seats in forecast)

>the conservatives fought to keep a broken electoral system solely because they thought it would benefit them and gave some bullshit about the person that comes second winning under AV and how FPTP gives strong majorities
>now FPTP is failing to give a majority, the new system would have actually benefited them and made it possible for them to form a government and now by their own admission they guys that they think will come second are the most likely to actually get in power under FPTP

irony of a fucking cosmic proportion, goddamn, i hope they're all kicking themselves right now. it's hard to imagine how much more case in point you could get. the stupid political cartoons about milliband getting into government will be literally the same as the scaremongering ones over AV.

[The Matthew Islands]

t.co/APHFaDO8sX

Would the Conservatives have been better off under AV?

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When we use these second preferences in this way, what do the results look like?

• Conservatives: 311 (281 seats in forecast)

• Labour: 244 (267 seats in forecast)

• Liberal Democrats: 26 (26 seats in forecast)

• SNP: 47 (51 seats in forecast)

• Plaid Cymru: 2 (4 seats in forecast)

• Greens: 1 (1 seats in forecast)

• UKIP: 0 (1 seats in forecast)

>the conservatives fought to keep a broken electoral system solely because they thought it would benefit them and gave some bullshit about the person that comes second winning under AV and how FPTP gives strong majorities
>now FPTP is failing to give a majority, the new system would have actually benefited them and made it possible for them to form a government and now by their own admission they guys that they think will come second are the most likely to actually get in power under FPTP

irony of a fucking cosmic proportion, goddamn, i hope they're all kicking themselves right now. it's hard to imagine how much more case in point you could get. the stupid political cartoons about milliband getting into government will be literally the same as the scaremongering ones over AV.

GGWP tories.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Apoligies if anyone has already posted this,

Could this be Britain's most least surprising revelation regarding the Tories well documented hatred of the poor.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... d-disabled

Civil servants often come up with policy suggestions that are nonsensical. Like the labour civil servant who came up with the idea of releasing bad stats on the day of 9/11.

[Hydesland]

Is George Galloway likely to lose his seat?

God I hope so.

[Arkolon]

AV gives no UKIP seats, more Tory seats, fewer Labour seats?

HMMMMMMMMMM

[Alyakia]

no gordon brown letter go away you don't live in this city