British 2015 general election poll

[British Home Counties]

that's because the economy is the important thing in politics

imo things like "people's lives" should be more important. while the economy has an effect on that, it seems like there are some people that care more about money than people.

As harsh as it sounds, why should the lives of 400 people (and that's with weak correlation) who suicide matter more than the life of 10 million in near-poverty?

I'm sure that if you had a referendum, people would opt for "more income" rather than "more mental help"

Surely you should choose the option which aims to better the lives of the many, not the few, and benefiting the 10 million by fixing the economy also benefits the potential suicides, because that's what this "correlation" points to.

[Lunas Legion]

If you admire the backwards ideals of Islam, then why vote for an anti-muslim party?

God, I've respected you for a long time now, but this anti Islam thing is getting out of hand. Someone needs to intervene in your political life bro.

And in general, what's going on here guys? I go to sleep, and wake up to find 8 pages of pure shit, which saddens me considering the debate had been pretty solid before hand.

I dunno. Something evidently did.

However, after reading this month's Moneyweek and it's section on the UK budget, I'm starting to have second thoughts about the Conservatives and, well, everyone in general.

[Alyakia]

imo things like "people's lives" should be more important. while the economy has an effect on that, it seems like there are some people that care more about money than people.

As harsh as it sounds, why should the lives of 400 people (and that's with weak correlation) who suicide matter more than the life of 10 million in near-poverty?

I'm sure that if you had a referendum, people would opt for "more income" rather than "more mental help"

Surely you should choose the option which aims to better the lives of the many, not the few, and benefiting the 10 million by fixing the economy also benefits the potential suicides, because that's what this "correlation" points to.

the flaw in your plan is that i don't actually believe the current policies are helping. frankly, i'm not even sure if i can believe they're intended to help the 10 million.

[The UK in Exile]

imo things like "people's lives" should be more important. while the economy has an effect on that, it seems like there are some people that care more about money than people.

As harsh as it sounds, why should the lives of 400 people (and that's with weak correlation) who suicide matter more than the life of 10 million in near-poverty?

Why screw just one when you can screw both?

[Salandriagado]

imo things like "people's lives" should be more important. while the economy has an effect on that, it seems like there are some people that care more about money than people.

As harsh as it sounds, why should the lives of 400 people (and that's with weak correlation) who suicide matter more than the life of 10 million in near-poverty?

I'm sure that if you had a referendum, people would opt for "more income" rather than "more mental help"

Surely you should choose the option which aims to better the lives of the many, not the few, and benefiting the 10 million by fixing the economy also benefits the potential suicides, because that's what this "correlation" points to.

Apart from the fact that they haven't helped those people. To be more precise, they've screwed them to hell and back with the increasing mess in the benefits system's administration.

[British Home Counties]

As harsh as it sounds, why should the lives of 400 people (and that's with weak correlation) who suicide matter more than the life of 10 million in near-poverty?

I'm sure that if you had a referendum, people would opt for "more income" rather than "more mental help"

Surely you should choose the option which aims to better the lives of the many, not the few, and benefiting the 10 million by fixing the economy also benefits the potential suicides, because that's what this "correlation" points to.

the flaw in your plan is that i don't actually believe the current policies are helping. frankly, i'm not even sure if i can believe they're intended to help the 10 million.

Unemployment rate is 2.6% lower than in 2013
If taking estimates into account, Greece has grown 1.3% in 2014, breaking it's streak of 6 years with no growth.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
* Q3 and Q4 to be revised, still

[Salandriagado]

the flaw in your plan is that i don't actually believe the current policies are helping. frankly, i'm not even sure if i can believe they're intended to help the 10 million.

Unemployment rate is 2.6% lower than in 2013
If taking estimates into account, Greece has grown 1.3% in 2014, breaking it's streak of 6 years with no growth.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
* Q3 and Q4 to be revised, still

That doesn't mean that those people are better off. An large percentage of those jobs are zero hours contracts that achieve little more than making the figures look better, and still more are nowhere near enough for people to live off.

[The UK in Exile]

the flaw in your plan is that i don't actually believe the current policies are helping. frankly, i'm not even sure if i can believe they're intended to help the 10 million.

Unemployment rate is 2.6% lower than in 2013
If taking estimates into account, Greece has grown 1.3% in 2014, breaking it's streak of 6 years with no growth.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
* Q3 and Q4 to be revised, still

And more than a 5th of them in poverty.

[British Home Counties]

Unemployment rate is 2.6% lower than in 2013
If taking estimates into account, Greece has grown 1.3% in 2014, breaking it's streak of 6 years with no growth.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
* Q3 and Q4 to be revised, still

That doesn't mean that those people are better off. An large percentage of those jobs are zero hours contracts that achieve little more than making the figures look better, and still more are nowhere near enough for people to live off.

Except that this isn't a conversation about Greece and IKA-ETAM does not release employment numbers by type of contract.

Unemployment rate is 2.6% lower than in 2013
If taking estimates into account, Greece has grown 1.3% in 2014, breaking it's streak of 6 years with no growth.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
* Q3 and Q4 to be revised, still

And more than a 5th of them in poverty.

If moaning was a profitable commodity, I think your own nation state would do very well in real life. But you have to face up to the realities and accept that this happens, and that, most importantly, things are finally starting to get better. Slowly.

[The UK in Exile]

If moaning was a profitable commodity, I think your own nation state would do very well in real life. But you have to face up to the realities and accept that this happens, and that, most importantly, things are finally starting to get better. Slowly.

your definition of better is that everyone is employed and poor as the economy is slowly siphoned into the pockets of investers and banks.

[Salandriagado]

That doesn't mean that those people are better off. An large percentage of those jobs are zero hours contracts that achieve little more than making the figures look better, and still more are nowhere near enough for people to live off.

Except that this isn't a conversation about Greece and IKA-ETAM does not release employment numbers by type of contract.

I was talking about the UK.

[Alyakia]

the flaw in your plan is that i don't actually believe the current policies are helping. frankly, i'm not even sure if i can believe they're intended to help the 10 million.

Unemployment rate is 2.6% lower than in 2013
If taking estimates into account, Greece has grown 1.3% in 2014, breaking it's streak of 6 years with no growth.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
* Q3 and Q4 to be revised, still

unemployment is ridiculously easy to manipulate

[Liberty and Linguistics]

If you admire the backwards ideals of Islam, then why vote for an anti-muslim party?

God, I've respected you for a long time now, but this anti Islam thing is getting out of hand. Someone needs to intervene in your political life bro.

And in general, what's going on here guys? I go to sleep, and wake up to find 8 pages of pure shit, which saddens me considering the debate had been pretty solid before hand.

As you very well know, I respect you as well. I'm not frothing at the mouth with some irrational hatred of Islam. No need to worry, I suppose.

[British Home Counties]

If moaning was a profitable commodity, I think your own nation state would do very well in real life. But you have to face up to the realities and accept that this happens, and that, most importantly, things are finally starting to get better. Slowly.

your definition of better is that everyone is employed and poor as the economy is slowly siphoned into the pockets of investers and banks.

Yeah obviously. I advocate a return to feudalism. Are you honestly trying to argue against the general rule that employment creates wealth?

Except that this isn't a conversation about Greece and IKA-ETAM does not release employment numbers by type of contract.

I was talking about the UK.

But I wasn't, and if the link says "Greece", it should be a clue. Nevertheless, Zero-hour contracts compromise just under 2% of employees, so does it really matter?

Unemployment rate is 2.6% lower than in 2013
If taking estimates into account, Greece has grown 1.3% in 2014, breaking it's streak of 6 years with no growth.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
* Q3 and Q4 to be revised, still

unemployment is ridiculously easy to manipulate

How so? I guess it's much easier when unemployment numbers are so unsustainable high to take in temporary employees, but the main growth is full-time I think.

[The UK in Exile]

your definition of better is that everyone is employed and poor as the economy is slowly siphoned into the pockets of investers and banks.

Yeah obviously. I advocate a return to feudalism. Are you honestly trying to argue against the general rule that employment creates wealth?

For whom?

How so?

I believe in the UK if you are being sanctioned by the DWP you are considered to be "not seeking employment" and thus, are not counted as "unemployed".

[Lunas Legion]

How so?

I believe in the UK if you are being sanctioned by the DWP you are considered to be "not seeking employment" and thus, are not counted as "unemployed".

Yeah. The number of economically inactive (not actively seeking employment) has increased, IIRC, partially explaining the drop in unemployment.

Source.

[British Home Counties]

Yeah obviously. I advocate a return to feudalism. Are you honestly trying to argue against the general rule that employment creates wealth?

For whom?

For the general public. In every economic system possible. Under Third Way higher employment = less welfare expenditure = taxes cut for more disposable income or spending diverges into other departments, such as healthcare.

Under capitalist governments, well that should be obvious. Productivity spikes, investors anticipate growth, and growth drives growth (supply-side here). Wages increase as demand rises and people who have half a brain get dividends from investment pulling their income up even higher.

[The UK in Exile]

For whom?

For the general public. In every economic system possible. Under Third Way higher employment = less welfare expenditure = taxes cut for more disposable income or spending diverges into other departments, such as healthcare.

Under capitalist governments, well that should be obvious. Productivity spikes, investors anticipate growth, and growth drives growth (supply-side here). Wages increase as demand rises and people who have half a brain get dividends from investment pulling their income up even higher.

average income has been stagnant for 12 years and poverty has doubled since 1979. The question isn't do I deny it but why do you believe it?

[Geilinor]

God, I've respected you for a long time now, but this anti Islam thing is getting out of hand. Someone needs to intervene in your political life bro.

And in general, what's going on here guys? I go to sleep, and wake up to find 8 pages of pure shit, which saddens me considering the debate had been pretty solid before hand.

I dunno. Something evidently did.

However, after reading this month's Moneyweek and it's section on the UK budget, I'm starting to have second thoughts about the Conservatives and, well, everyone in general.

Yeah, this has been a less-than-stellar election season.

[Salandriagado]

your definition of better is that everyone is employed and poor as the economy is slowly siphoned into the pockets of investers and banks.

Yeah obviously. I advocate a return to feudalism. Are you honestly trying to argue against the general rule that employment creates wealth?

I was talking about the UK.

But I wasn't, and if the link says "Greece", it should be a clue.

I refer you to the title of the thread.

Nevertheless, Zero-hour contracts compromise just under 2% of employees, so does it really matter?

Being as the growth in zero-hour contracts amounts to a huge percentage of the supposed growth in jobs that you're so proud of, yes.

unemployment is ridiculously easy to manipulate

How so? I guess it's much easier when unemployment numbers are so unsustainable high to take in temporary employees, but the main growth is full-time I think.

Unfortunately, a major cause of the drop in unemployment (as reported) is the increasing numbers of people giving up on seeking work.

[British Home Counties]

For the general public. In every economic system possible. Under Third Way higher employment = less welfare expenditure = taxes cut for more disposable income or spending diverges into other departments, such as healthcare.

Under capitalist governments, well that should be obvious. Productivity spikes, investors anticipate growth, and growth drives growth (supply-side here). Wages increase as demand rises and people who have half a brain get dividends from investment pulling their income up even higher.

average income has been stagnant for 12 years and poverty has doubled since 1979. The question isn't do I deny it but why do you believe it?

Employment does not take population growth into account. In a stagnant population, productivity and demand increases make the wage rise (Poland, Estonia)

[Hydesland]

poverty has doubled since 1979. The question isn't do I deny it but why do you believe it?

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That's an exceptionally terrible way to measure poverty.

[The UK in Exile]

average income has been stagnant for 12 years and poverty has doubled since 1979. The question isn't do I deny it but why do you believe it?

Employment does not take population growth into account. In a stagnant population, productivity and demand increases make the wage rise (Poland, Estonia)

which relates to what I said, how?

poverty has doubled since 1979. The question isn't do I deny it but why do you believe it?

(Image)

That's an exceptionally terrible way to measure poverty.

No? well good news, Absolute poverty is up too and is expected to keep going up.

[Geilinor]

poverty has doubled since 1979. The question isn't do I deny it but why do you believe it?

(Image)

That's an exceptionally terrible way to measure poverty.

That's how the UK measures poverty.

[British Home Counties]

Yeah obviously. I advocate a return to feudalism. Are you honestly trying to argue against the general rule that employment creates wealth?



But I wasn't, and if the link says "Greece", it should be a clue.

I refer you to the title of the thread.

Then talk to someone who's talking about the OP? I wasn't.

Nevertheless, Zero-hour contracts compromise just under 2% of employees, so does it really matter?

Being as the growth in zero-hour contracts amounts to a huge percentage of the supposed growth in jobs that you're so proud of, yes.

Zero-hour contracts are good for the economy.